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Spaceman Spiff 04-19-2009 11:08 AM

I know nothing of the Japanese language... except that it's not English. I am one learned individual.

Sablate McNuff 04-19-2009 11:35 AM

[quote=Spaceman Spiff;17189786]I know nothing of the Japanese language... except that it's not English. I am one learned individual.[/quote]

Brawndo:
What plants crave
(It has electrolytes!)

katana_manatee 04-19-2009 11:40 AM

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;17189786]I know nothing of the Japanese language... except that it's not English. I am one learned individual.[/QUOTE]

Most people know nothing on the language at all, you have to seek out info on it yourself to find out stuff about it. It is nowhere near as crazy hard as most people think.

The main problem is getting into the Japanese frame of mind, depending on the kind of people you are with you have to use different words to show the level of politeness. There is far more of a segregational element to the language between formal and informal language than is evident in English. Also since it is a sound-poor language having far less sounds than english there are far more puns so you have to be always very aware of the context to determine meanings. It makes the language phenomenal for double entendres though.

katana_manatee 04-19-2009 11:43 AM

[QUOTE=Sablate McNuff;17189815]Brawndo:
What plants crave
(It has electrolytes!)[/QUOTE]

Sounds like a new martial art, the way of the brawny. Easily stopped by way of the brainy.

Spaceman Spiff 04-19-2009 11:45 AM

[QUOTE=katana_manatee;17189818]Most people know nothing on the language at all, you have to seek out info on it yourself to find out stuff about it. It is nowhere near as crazy hard as most people think.

The main problem is getting into the Japanese frame of mind, depending on the kind of people you are with you have to use different words to show the level of politeness. There is far more of a segregational element to the language between formal and informal language than is evident in English. Also since it is a sound-poor language having far less sounds than english there are far more puns so you have to be always very aware of the context to determine meanings. It makes the language phenomenal for double entendres though.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I know how the Japanese are big on respecting those of a higher status.

I like the way you're describing the language. Makes it seem like it could be a fun one to know.

BenJammin 04-19-2009 11:51 AM

When I think of Japan, I think of one thing.

















[img]http://www.deranged-minds.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/tlr05101.png[/img]

/I had to turn safe-search back on when looking for this, shudder

Spaceman Spiff 04-19-2009 11:53 AM

:lol: :lol:

That's the Japanese in a nutshell.

BenJammin 04-19-2009 11:54 AM

They make a nice beer, though.

Spaceman Spiff 04-19-2009 11:55 AM

[QUOTE=BenJammin;17189844]They make a nice beer, though.[/QUOTE]

Sapporo is pretty good.

BenJammin 04-19-2009 11:59 AM

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;17189847]Sapporo is pretty good.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking of. It's pretty light, and the can is neat.

I guess most of their beers are like that, since a lot of Japanese beers are rice beers.

Spaceman Spiff 04-19-2009 12:06 PM

[QUOTE=BenJammin;17189855]Yeah, that's what I was thinking of. It's pretty light, and the can is neat.

I guess most of their beers are like that, since a lot of Japanese beers are rice beers.[/QUOTE]

Sapporo is the only one I've had, so I couldn't really say anything about other beers produced in Japan.

I've been really enjoying Dab, lately. It's a German beer that, if you haven't had, I recommend you give it a try.

BenJammin 04-19-2009 12:10 PM

Yeah, Dab is tasty. The Germans make great beers.

I've tried a lot of beers, haha. Definitely, like, 75-80% of what's offered in my liquor store.

katana_manatee 04-19-2009 12:13 PM

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;17189827]Yeah, I know how the Japanese are big on respecting those of a higher status.

I like the way you're describing the language. Makes it seem like it could be a fun one to know.[/QUOTE]

It is actually quite fun to learn I find, but I seem to be a borderline Japanophile so maybe that has something to do with it...

The main hurdle is becoming literate in Japanese as you have to use three different writing systems in tandem with each other. There is Kanji which are actually Chinese characters used for whole words but can have more than one meaning, but usually no more than two meanings and they are easy to figure out from context.

The other systems are Hiragana and Katakana. These are syllabic writing systems with each syllabic sound having its own unique character rather than an alphabet where you combine letters to form sounds with lots of exceptions.

Hiragana is used to show native Japanese words, and Katakana shows words which are foreign, such as English names, cities etc.

Often with Kanji though you will have hiragana written above or below it to show how to pronounce it and confirm which reading of it to use if it might not be very clear from the context.

It all sounds pretty complicated but when it is shown to you how it all works it actually makes a lot of sense. Takes a lot of work to learn though.

For example:

私はビデオをよく見ます。

This says "Watashi wa bideo o yoku mimasu."

This means, I watch videos often or literally translated, I video(s) often watch/see/view.

私 is the Kanji for I and 見 is the Kanji for see/watch/view. The rest is hiragana apart from ビデオ which is katakana used to show a loan-word, in this case video but they don't have a V sound in Japanese so they will use the closest equivalent which is B instead.

It looks mental at first but you get used to it.

katana_manatee 04-19-2009 12:15 PM

[QUOTE=BenJammin;17189839]When I think of Japan, I think of one thing.

















[img]http://www.deranged-minds.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/tlr05101.png[/img]

/I had to turn safe-search back on when looking for this, shudder[/QUOTE]

Ha ha ha, yeah, they have some weird stuff for sure.

BenJammin 04-19-2009 12:16 PM

[I]Some[/I] weird stuff, Steve? :p

Spaceman Spiff 04-19-2009 12:18 PM

[QUOTE=BenJammin;17189878]Yeah, Dab is tasty. The Germans make great beers.

I've tried a lot of beers, haha. Definitely, like, 75-80% of what's offered in my liquor store.[/QUOTE]

I tend to mostly just drink what I know and experiment every once in a while. I haven't tried too many beers, but a couple handfuls of different kinds.

Spaceman Spiff 04-19-2009 12:23 PM

[QUOTE=katana_manatee;17189882]私 is the Kanji for I and 見 is the Kanji for see/watch/view. The rest is hiragana apart from ビデオ which is katakana used to show a loan-word, in this case video but they don't have a V sound in Japanese so they will use the closest equivalent which is B instead.[/QUOTE]

Is that why Asians are always mixing up their L's and R's and such?


It all seems pretty interesting. Any language is going to be difficult to learn at first, but with some like Japanese as opposed to French, it's a whole new alphabet-thing to learn.

BenJammin 04-19-2009 12:44 PM

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;17189895]I tend to mostly just drink what I know and experiment every once in a while. I haven't tried too many beers, but a couple handfuls of different kinds.[/QUOTE]

I like to just buy packs of stuff at random. I know the kinds of beers I enjoy the most, so I just look for similar types by different brands when I want to try something new.

Spaceman Spiff 04-19-2009 12:46 PM

So, last night we definitely played with the worst band we've ever played with. They were this awful metal band. The drummer seemed like the retarded brother of Danny Carey. The guitarist shredded unnecessary solos all night. The singer was this 40 year old woman who was trying to be sexy... and it just wasn't working. And she was introducing every song and telling us what it was about, and they were all retarded.
"I wrote this song after seeing Children Of Men. It's about America and war and all kinds of fu[size=2]cked up sh[/size]it going on right now."

If you want to hear something terrible: [url]http://www.myspace.com/1867band[/url]

And I had to sit through their 40 minute set. :upset:

Spaceman Spiff 04-19-2009 12:48 PM

[QUOTE=BenJammin;17189952]I like to just buy packs of stuff at random. I know the kinds of beers I enjoy the most, so I just look for similar types by different brands when I want to try something new.[/QUOTE]

When I try something new, I just browse as if I know what I'm looking for, then I make a decision based on price, name, and origin. :lol:

BenJammin 04-19-2009 01:02 PM

:lol:

Jesse and I are going to be hitting up an awesome beer store in Montreal, which I'm pretty excited about. I'm bringing him some awesome local brews that he wouldn't be able to get, and we're going to get drunk and discuss the finer points of beer.

katana_manatee 04-19-2009 01:06 PM

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;17189904]Is that why Asians are always mixing up their L's and R's and such?


It all seems pretty interesting. Any language is going to be difficult to learn at first, but with some like Japanese as opposed to French, it's a whole new alphabet-thing to learn.[/QUOTE]

Yep, they have a kind of R sound but it is somewhere between L and R, it is like a very soft R sound, they don't have a natural L sound in their language so when writing one down they use the character for an R type sound.

Another strange thing is the only consonant which can be written as a standalone consonant is N which actually looks like a weird N: ん

They have five vowel sounds, ordered A I U E O (Ah, Ee, Oo, Eh, Aw):

あ い う え お

Then it goes Ka Ke Ku Ke Ko: か き く け こ

Then Sa Shi Su Se So: さ し す せ そ

And goes on in that kind of way, so they have this thing sorta ingrained in the language of constantly using vowel sounds after consonants and that's why you often hear Japanese people adding like an oo sound after consonants in english words.

Often when you get a Su type thing though people won't really pronounce the oo sound so words like Suki or Sukoshi are more like Ski and Scoshee.

Just like how in English some words end up anglicised, Japanese people Japanify stuff.

Ben: I like understatements. :p

Spaceman Spiff 04-19-2009 01:08 PM

Yya know th-th--the... BEST... prrrt o beer? Thedr...the dru.... drnk...

BenJammin 04-19-2009 01:11 PM

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;17189999]Yya know th-th--the... BEST... prrrt o beer? Thedr...the dru.... drnk...[/QUOTE]

Well, that is surely the inevitable consequence. :p

:amaze: 04-19-2009 01:53 PM

sup y'all.

a while back, someone talked to me on AIM an sent me a couple albums (sherwood and some other one), who was that?

katana_manatee 04-19-2009 02:53 PM

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;17189957]So, last night we definitely played with the worst band we've ever played with. They were this awful metal band. The drummer seemed like the retarded brother of Danny Carey. The guitarist shredded unnecessary solos all night. The singer was this 40 year old woman who was trying to be sexy... and it just wasn't working. And she was introducing every song and telling us what it was about, and they were all retarded.
"I wrote this song after seeing Children Of Men. It's about America and war and all kinds of fu[size=2]cked up sh[/size]it going on right now."

If you want to hear something terrible: [url]http://www.myspace.com/1867band[/url]

And I had to sit through their 40 minute set. :upset:[/QUOTE]

Just listened to 40 seconds of strapon. That is one cr[COLOR="Black"]a[/COLOR]p band. The lyrics make me laugh though.

BenJammin 04-19-2009 03:04 PM

Alright, recording a new song tomorrow!

Jaded 04-19-2009 04:24 PM

This cover band organized a gig a few nights ago and they wanted us to open for them, but we weren't down, so they pulled some lame sh*t where they played a 30 min set before our hour long set and then played another 30 min set afterward. It was great everybody was outside and at the bar during their first set, then we had the place packed for an hour, then everyone left after we played. Moral of the story, we need to start booking our own gigs because I'm done splitting the cover with crappy bands that can't bring or maintain a crowd.

DaveSavesTheDay 04-19-2009 10:19 PM

Out of curiosity..

How long does cooked chicken last in a fridge before going bad?










:amaze:...

Sablate McNuff 04-19-2009 10:41 PM

Depends on how it's cooked and stored. My guess, a week?


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