[QUOTE=Britton]Do you like COB?[/QUOTE]

I like everything up until Hatecrew Deathroll (which was only half-decent).

Something Wild and Hatebreeder... now those are solid albums.

I'm a huge CoB fan (although I thought AYDY? was very poor), and love Trivium as well. Trivium are a band that a lot of people will hate, due to all the success they have had, so its not surprising that a lot of CoB fans will dislike them.

Yeah, Trivium deserves the success, even though Heafy is a horrible vocalist (screaming, and he's half-decent at singing), but he can growl pretty ****ing well, as he proved in his work with Carpharnaum.

Yeah, although his singing live is much worse than in the studio. Apparently on the new album he'll be using a different vocal style.

[QUOTE=nowitzki]Yeah, although [B]his singing live is much worse than in the studio[/B]. Apparently on the new album he'll be using a different vocal style.[/QUOTE]

That happens with every singer.

Heafy really seems to struggle with his clean singing live though, which is why he gets the crowd to sing those parts so often.

I can see why with the way he "sings" the other parts. He is pretty much killing his voice by doing that.

^ why did you put brackets around sings :confused:

Because that screaming/growl stuff isn't singing

...Haha, your a very uneducated individual.

[QUOTE=mr black]...Haha, your a very uneducated individual.[/QUOTE]

No it's just that you are pretty retarded for thinking that screaming/growling is the act of producing musical sounds with the voice, often constrasted with speech. Air is expelled with the diaphragm as with ordinary breathing, and the pitch is altered with the vocal cords.

[QUOTE=mr black]...Haha, your a very uneducated individual.[/QUOTE]

Ah, irony. I think you mean "you're", not "your". Pretty much defeats the whole point behind your insult, huh? Basic English FTW.

And for the record, those are quotation marks, not brackets.

Oh, and Trivium owns. Can't wait to hear their new album.

[QUOTE=Britton]I wonder why most COB and Trivium fans can't get along....

Saberpuck: How did the show go?[/QUOTE]


The show was ****in incredible, Devildriver were intense as hell, Trivium blew everyone away, and In Flames were...well, In Flames no other words needed. I was mostly impressed by Matt's vocals. Impressed in that they were spot on. He actually sang every song all the way through and sang them extremly well. Paulo and Corey were in good form too. And the covers of Dominate and Walk were ****in intense.

[QUOTE=BLS_Infernus]No it's just that you are pretty retarded for thinking that screaming/growling is the act of producing musical sounds with the voice, often constrasted with speech. Air is expelled with the diaphragm as with ordinary breathing, and the pitch is altered with the vocal cords.[/QUOTE]


Screaming is best summed up as singing with distortion, same effect as guitar distortion... different instrument. It still maintains pitch, timing, sustain, tone, and control. To scream a pitch you first have to be able to sing that pitch, henceforth it is singing. Is it not a guitar tone if it's distorted ?

Screams and growls are legitimate styles of singing to convey an emotion that could not be expressed with any other form of delivery, either way your putting fourth a story using articulated speech, it's mood all comes down to the delivery...

***To the gimp correcting my grammer: I know your sort, you feel better about yourself by sitting at your computer and correcting people on the internet or off the internet, to convince yourself that your superior. My grammer is in no way perfect i can admit it, but please grow up and don't flame me because of a point of view that myself and many other members on this forum believe.

Looks like you are doing what you are doing is what you said I was doing. And no that's not my type, you know nothing about me. Don't cry on me pal.

IMHO screaming/growling isn't singing.

[QUOTE=mr black]Screaming is best summed up as singing with distortion, same effect as guitar distortion... different instrument. It still maintains pitch, timing, sustain, tone, and control. To scream a pitch you first have to be able to sing that pitch, henceforth it is singing. Is it not a guitar tone if it's distorted ?

Screams and growls are legitimate styles of singing to convey an emotion that could not be expressed with any other form of delivery, either way your putting fourth a story using articulated speech, it's mood all comes down to the delivery...

***To the gimp correcting my grammer: I know your sort, you feel better about yourself by sitting at your computer and correcting people on the internet or off the internet, to convince yourself that your superior. My grammer is in no way perfect i can admit it, but please grow up and don't flame me because of a point of view that myself and many other members on this forum believe.[/QUOTE]

Nah, I just thought it was funny. You seemed like the sort who randomly insulted people based on the fact that he thought something different than you. Had you posted your reasons like you did in this post, I'd have stayed out of it. But you just went "lol, ur ignorant" basically. I take it back now; at least now you have an actual arguement.

[QUOTE=BLS_Infernus]IMHO screaming/growling isn't singing.[/QUOTE]

You're right, it's not singing. It's...guess what? Screaming or growling. They both take talent to do, just as much talent (if not more) than singing, at least in metal. Whether your opinion is different or not, they are both legimiate styles of vocalization. I'd like you to tell Mikael Akerfeldt or Karl Sanders that they aren't legimitate styles of vocalization, and I'd like to see what they say. Because they'd prove you wrong, but obviously knowledge (them) < ignorance (you).

To scream or growl properly is a hard feat, and it's often recommended to people who scream or growl to take vocal training (aka singing lessons), because they use the same techniques. You sing with your diaphragm. You growl/scream with your diaphragm (at least if you're doing it right.)

Thanks, have a nice day.

It's an opinion genius. Opinions aren't facts. Ignorance (you) < Knowledge (me)

I never said opinions [i]were[/i]facts, it's just that your opinion is highly off base and as such, should be disregarded. It's like saying that freedom of speech isn't a valid constitutional amendment because everybody takes advantage of it. It doesn't make the 1st amendment any less of an amendment when compared to the 18th.

Honestly, post on the Nile forums, or the Opeth forums, or some other "zomgz growling/screaming aren't vocal techniques" forum, and I'd love to see what they say.

Your opinion is wrong, and your ignorance is glaring.

ok, heres the test.

go and sing along to a song by the chilis or summat

then go choose a heavier song, lets say anything by cannibal corpse since it meets our needs.

which was easier?

point made

[QUOTE=Corkofski]ok, heres the test.

go and sing along to a song by the chilis or summat

then go choose a heavier song, lets say anything by cannibal corpse since it meets our needs.

which was easier?

point made[/QUOTE]
I Agree:thumb:

Come on, lets face it screaming/growling isn't as difficult as being a good singer. I see loads of local metal bands, and theres countless people who can scream/growl very well, but a good singer is a lot harder to come by, especially who is capable of singing metal.

I know a few people, (including my brother) who find it easy to do a Chris Barnes low pitched growl, that sounds really brutal. And even if you can't, most screaming/growling styles will still sound good.
Whereas with singing, you actually have to sing the song accurately for it to sound good.

[QUOTE=nowitzki]Come on, lets face it screaming/growling isn't as difficult as being a good singer. I see loads of local metal bands, and theres countless people who can scream/growl very well, but a good singer is a lot harder to come by, especially who is capable of singing metal.

I know a few people, (including my brother) who find it easy to do a Chris Barnes low pitched growl, that sounds really brutal. And even if you can't, most screaming/growling styles will still sound good.
Whereas with singing, you actually have to sing the song accurately for it to sound good.[/QUOTE]

It's even harder to find a person who can do both very well. Trivium happens to be one of those bands that have lucked out. And on top of that he's a decent guitarist.

[QUOTE=nowitzki]Come on, lets face it screaming/growling isn't as difficult as being a good singer. I see loads of local metal bands, and theres countless people who can scream/growl very well, but a good singer is a lot harder to come by, especially who is capable of singing metal.

I know a few people, (including my brother) who find it easy to do a Chris Barnes low pitched growl, that sounds really brutal. And even if you can't, most screaming/growling styles will still sound good.
Whereas with singing, you actually have to sing the song accurately for it to sound good.[/QUOTE]

And? I see what you're saying, and I definitely agree, however writing off screaming/growling as not being a "proper" vocal technique is absolutely ludacris. It's taken me months to be able to growl halfway decently doing it the proper way.

And to be honest, Heafy's clean singing doesn't have much to be desired for. IMO his clean singing is pretty sub-par.

Yeah, I agree with that, I was just saying it with regards to people suggesting singing is easier.

I dunno... i still see it as singing because your presenting articulated language over music using vocalised tone, timing and pitch. Still ...each to his own.

Heafy is a fairly average vocalist he can only scream one pitch basically, and his clean singing is very sub-par.

[QUOTE=nowitzki]I know a few people, (including my brother) who find it easy to do a Chris Barnes low pitched growl, that sounds really brutal. [/QUOTE]
It is really easy, easy as whispering.

i think heafy is really talented, considering he is only 19. i really think trivium are gonna become really big. as for me im a big fan already. got tickets for an upcoming tour hopefull itll be awesome!:thumb:

[QUOTE=slipknot-rock]i think heafy is really talented, considering he is only 19. i really think trivium are gonna become really big. as for me im a big fan already. got tickets for an upcoming tour hopefull itll be awesome!:thumb:[/QUOTE]
if they support Maiden through the UK at the end of this year, as well as doing Scandinavia, i'll go see them, but i don't think i'd go see them headline somewhere. i like them, but not really enough to go to a gig just for them.

[QUOTE=nowitzki]Come on, lets face it screaming/growling isn't as difficult as being a good singer. I see loads of local metal bands, and theres countless people who can scream/growl very well, but a good singer is a lot harder to come by, especially who is capable of singing metal.

I know a few people, (including my brother) who find it easy to do a Chris Barnes low pitched growl, that sounds really brutal. And even if you can't, most screaming/growling styles will still sound good.
Whereas with singing, you actually have to sing the song accurately for it to sound good.[/QUOTE]

Well #1, screaming and growling take a slightly differed technique
#2, screaming correctly is something hard to figure out
#3, if Chris Barnes is your example of a good growl, no wonder you see it as being so easy
#4, Heafy sucks at screaming, sucks at singing, and is good at growling (but that's only in Capharnaum anyhow)