try some AA Regular hats maybe?

I thought AA Regulars were basically Sabian's version of New Beats. Is this not the case?

i dont know,..i thought new beats were a fairly heavy pairing....the Regs are a Medium top/heavy bottom pairing....other than that, the lightest you'll find in sabians parings are AAX Studio Hats (Medium-thin/medium) or HHX Manhattan Jazz hats (same i think)

Ok, I need cymbals that are versatile so they can be played for rock/punk rock.

1) A ride cymbal that has VERY Clear stick definition with MINIMUM overtones.

2) 2 crash cymbals that have medium to long overtones, quick response or something like that. Possibly slightly dark sound, maybe not-so-bright sound, depending on what you can find. Please include sizes of the cymbals.

3) Quick response splash cymbal. I have a bright one right now and i would like to have a lower sound to counter it in a way, so a lower sounding splash would be nice.

4) A couple ideas for cool effect cymbals. I saw a post on an Ice Bell and thought that was cool. I also saw a stage bell. So if anyone could just give out a few ideas that would be cool.

If you could, please include prices and sizes so I could get a good idea for all these. Thank you for the time

[quote]1) A ride cymbal that has VERY Clear stick definition with MINIMUM overtones.[/quote]

a 20" + cymbal is obviously going to have some overtones...it just is impossible to not have it...having said that, an A. Zildjian Earth Ride is as defined and dry as they come.

[quote]2) 2 crash cymbals that have medium to long overtones, quick response or something like that. Possibly slightly dark sound, maybe not-so-bright sound, depending on what you can find. Please include sizes of the cymbals.[/quote]

sounds like 17" and 19" HHX Stage Crashes to me.

[quote]3) Quick response splash cymbal. I have a bright one right now and i would like to have a lower sound to counter it in a way, so a lower sounding splash would be nice.[/quote]

try the same splash in a bigger size?

[quote]4) A couple ideas for cool effect cymbals. I saw a post on an Ice Bell and thought that was cool. I also saw a stage bell. So if anyone could just give out a few ideas that would be cool.[/quote]

stage bell/icebell...same idea...perhaps a trash crash or china

[quote]
If you could, please include prices and sizes so I could get a good idea for all these. Thank you for the time[/quote]

get your *** to [url]www.musiciansfriend.com[/url] and check the prices yourself.

Thanks bobby johnny. I'll look into the AA Regular hats and see if they're the sound I'm hearing in my head. I don't want to lose the feel and versatility of New Beat style hats, I just want something a little more controllable.

Troy9915- 1 try the AAX Tight ride 20"
2 The HH Medium Crash and the K custom dark crash medium thin both 18"
3 The HH Splash 10" or the k custom 10" dark splash
4 Sabian- 6"/9"/12" Ice bells, 6"/7"/8" radia bell chimes,6"/8"/10" CD discs, thunder sheets
Zildjian- ZXT transformer, Earth plates high and low,9"/11" trash splash,18"/20" crash of doom, 16" A FX,18" A Breakbeat ride, 18" A swish, 22" A swish Knocker
Paiste-Mega cup chime 13", 12" flanger bell
Meinl-Gen X filter china 8"/10"/12"/14"/16",

^^^

good luck finding a spot for 1/2 of those cymbals in a punk tune.

ohhhh, I missed that they're for punk rock/rock, but meh he can find a way, just don't go buying them right away, before trying them....

Would a Sabian AAX Studio Crash be a good compliment for an 18' Zildjian A Medium Crash?

China Cymbal to complement:

14" A Custom Mastersound Hats
18" A Custom Fast Crash
16" A Custom Projection Crash
18" Zildjian A Medium Thin Crash
20" A Custom Ping Ride
10" A Custom Splash

I was thinking the 18" Oriental Trash China or the 18" A Custom China. Does anyone have any other ideas or are these good?

The AA China might do it for ya, but I think the China Trash should work also look into the B8 pro china and the Paiste 2002 chinas also.....

[QUOTE=MXicanDrummer]Would a Sabian AAX Studio Crash be a good compliment for an 18' Zildjian A Medium Crash?[/QUOTE]

sure would. try the stage crash too though.

[quote]China Cymbal to complement:

14" A Custom Mastersound Hats
18" A Custom Fast Crash
16" A Custom Projection Crash
18" Zildjian A Medium Thin Crash
20" A Custom Ping Ride
10" A Custom Splash[/quote]

B8 Pro Chinese....i mean this in all seriousness....

One more question, is there enough of a difference between a Sabian AAX studio crash and stage crash to want to buy one of each (instead of having two of the same. I want to have 3 crashes, 2 Sabian 16 inch AAX's and an 18' Zildjian A Medium Crash)

^^^

sure would be. the Stage is a medium-thin, and the studio is a thin....you could go for a 17" stage for a good blend.

16" thin
17" medium-thin
18" medium

...****...that sounds like a real nice mix there actually.

god bless you bobbyjohnny

mmmmmmm AAX stage crash.

Final question (for my cymbal dream set) what are your opinions on the zildjian Ping Ride and Sweet ride, and what other rides would go good with the crash assembly previously mentioned and a pair of New Beat Hihats

hey guys, just lookin for some opinions on sabian hhx evolution cymbals..
i really love the ride cos its light, pingy and its crashable..
i really like there crashs because they dont linger on for ever and they are nice and bright yet dark at the same time..
also i really liked zild session k customs 14" hats i think.. they sounded soo cool.. my dream hhx groove hats dont seem to compare :/

so what you guys think?
btw, i play like lightish rock, nothing heavy so i like to keep my cymbals thin to medium thin..

[QUOTE=MXicanDrummer]Final question (for my cymbal dream set) what are your opinions on the zildjian Ping Ride and Sweet ride, and what other rides would go good with the crash assembly previously mentioned and a pair of New Beat Hihats[/QUOTE]

The ping rides are awesome. I plan to get an A 22" myself (don't bother with A Custom rides, I heard they weren't that great).

What would go well with that and New Beats? Probably an 18" Zildjian A Medium Crash, or if you want to save money get a Sabian 18" AA Medium crash, practically the same thing.

i own a 20" A Ping, great ride and I would reccomend it. has good stick definition and osme wash, but playing with my band i can't hear it. tasty crash if you hit it on the edge as well

im lookin for a crash that isnt 2 expensive, sounds good, more in the punk/rock sounding kinda stuff. any suggestions??

MXican drummer GO WITH THE PING RIDE! I had a chance to try one out on friday when I played in a battle of the bands, I absolutly loved it well thats just in my opinion though....
Drummer Drew try the AA Rock crashes or If you can look for some of the old Z zildjian cymbals, cause they usually go for a good price

hi
i'm looking for crash. is meinl a good brand. do all tha crashs on a drumset have to be of the same model. cheap and best plzz. plz include the prices.

meinl is an awesome brand in my opinion, but only there byancy series, i donno bout the rest.. no not all the crashs on a set have to be the same model, and its usually better to have lots of different cymbals.

[QUOTE=Real live junkie]hi
i'm looking for crash. is meinl a good brand. do all tha crashs on a drumset have to be of the same model. cheap and best plzz. plz include the prices.[/QUOTE]

no they dont have to be the same model. its better to mix them up. im not too familiar with the lines of meinl but i know they make some pretty good stuff. as far as cheap goes you shoudlnt buy one thats too cheap because then youll end up wanting to replace it soon. its best to fork out more money on a better cymbal so then you dont really need to. Well i dont know what size youre getting so ill jsut list a couple. Sabian AAX stage crash is a good 16inch crash. i use it and i find it to be really great. that will probably run you about $140. ALso Zildjian A custom medium is a good crash for both 16 and 18 inch but you usually dont want the same line of crash because they will sound really close to the same sound. the 16 would be about $160 and the 18 would be about $180 but prices vary depending on where you go. im just roughing the price. Sabian AAXplosion crashes are great but in the bigger sizes liek 17, 18, 19.. Also check out the sabian AA lines of crashes they also are great.

[QUOTE=Shu]meinl is an awesome brand in my opinion, but only there byancy series, i donno bout the rest.. no not all the crashs on a set have to be the same model, and its usually better to have lots of different cymbals.[/QUOTE]

it's the byzance, byancy :lol: . I especially like the dry and dark finished crashes.

Not just Byzance. Amuns are great too. Gen X's are abit too quick for me.

GenX is really for specialized uses....cant go wrong with an Amin, Byzance or Soundcaster though.

Amuns shouldnt run you too much. maybe a little less than an AA

Looking for a 16" Crash.
I am quite a heavy hitter so it has to be something durable.
I play mostly punk/rock and in a band with one guitar and one bass so I want it to be ehard over the top of that.