is slipknot nu-metal? i never knew...lol

great list.

pfft...[B]Nu-Metal is the future[/B]...so all of you who thinks it blows can blow yourself...stop dissing it

Nu-Metal is starting to fade away actually

and that's a good thing

[QUOTE=loathed]pfft...[B]Nu-Metal is the future[/B]...so all of you who thinks it blows can blow yourself...stop dissing it[/QUOTE]

If nu-metal is the future, then it only proves that I was born 400 years too late.

As King of Dudes has already pointed out, it's on its way out, anyway. Nu-metal is just another fad like the glam and grunge movements. Devoted fans will still listen to it, attend concerts, and buy any albums that the bands release down the road, but the musical scene will change.

The Scandinavian peninsula is having a black/death metal Renaissance. I'm not a particularly big fan of the genres, but I have to admit the bands coming out of there are quite talented.

Power metal is also having some time in the sun. It's getting really big in not only Europe, but South America and Japan as well. And some of the bands are starting to break into the US. I was pleasantly surprised to see Blind Guardian and Stratovarius at Best Buy not long ago.

But all of these things are temporary. People's tastes shift and change constantly because human beings are fickle at best. Nu-metal is [i]not[/i] the future, it is the present, and will soon be the past. You don't have to forsake the past, but it's pointless to continue treating it like it is still the present.

okay...its not the [B]future[/B] but...look at nu-metal now...i mean...look at all the bands...Evanescence, slipknot, korn, SOAD, Linkin Park, Papa Roach...i bet anyone band out of the 6 i've listed will beat 3 other sub-genre metal bands in terms of record sales...okay so its not the future...its the present, but you cant say its fading away...Papa roach just came out with a really good album...etc etc. To put it simply, Yes, nu-metal may not be the future, but it sure is a present, addictive...simple...etc...etc...and you bet 30 years down the road, people will still remember nu-metal for what it is.

[QUOTE=loathed]okay...its not the [B]future[/B] but...look at nu-metal now...i mean...look at all the bands...Evanescence, slipknot, korn, SOAD, Linkin Park, Papa Roach...[/quote]

You could say the same about glam bands in the mid to late 80's.

[quote]i bet anyone band out of the 6 i've listed will beat 3 other sub-genre metal bands in terms of record sales...[/quote]

Black Sabbath
Judas Priest
Def Leppard
Van Halen
Metallica
Slayer
KISS

That's just off the top of my head. Now ask yourself... Can you honestly convince yourself that Papa Roach has sold more records than any single one of those bands?

Anyway, record sales are not exactly indicative of quality. Very often, they are a reflection of marketing. You don't need talent to get marketing. Just image.

[quote]okay so its not the future...its the present, but you cant say its fading away...Papa roach just came out with a really good album...etc etc.[/quote]

So they released an album. That doesn't exactly prove anything. A lot of bands continue recording even after the high day of their genre simply because they still have enough of a fanbase to justify it.

Case in point, the New Wave of British Heavy Metal movement is over, but Iron Maiden is still recording.

[quote]To put it simply, Yes, nu-metal may not be the future, but it sure is a present, addictive...simple...etc...etc...and you bet 30 years down the road, people will still remember nu-metal for what it is.[/QUOTE]

People will remember the nu-metal movement, though chances are it will be the same as glam and grunge: people will either fondly remember it, or thank whatever divine entities are up there that it ended.

[QUOTE=KingofDudes]Prog rock?!?! Do you even know what prog rock is?[/QUOTE]

Yes i do. The older bands form the 60's and 70's created the genre.... bands such as yes, wishbone ash, camel and rush. Into the 90s came dream theatre who have adapted prog rock and made it more heavy.

Judging from this forum, there is a growing trend of the 'prog intelligensia' (sarcasm); Anything with lots of incoherent wankery and songs which are long for the sake of being long has suddenly become a good thing, nevermind how little content there is in the music.

Alright, for one, A lot of those bands that you put in one genre of music are two diverse. Some of what you listed is plain out wrong. You need to either stop classifying it so much, or create a lot more genre groups. For a great example I see you mixing bands that shouldn't be near eachother, [B]some of these bands aren't even metal[/B].

To prove this farther classify:
Crossbreed
Susperia
Cradle of Filth
King Diamond
Avenged Sevenfold
Dope
Godhead
Drowning Pool
White Zombie
Lifeliss

[QUOTE=LegionsofMarduck]NOTE: This is a very general guideline and not a definitive carved in stone definition. While I may put a band in with one genre, that doesn't mean that they might not fit into more than one sub-genre. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=LegionsofMarduck]Again...this is NOT a definitive list. It not by any stretch of the imagination complete. I'm sure if we really wanted to we could come up with a good 20 or so more sub-genres. It is meant as a general guideline[/QUOTE]

You're great at reading

I'm saying he was flat out wrong!!! You don't put those bands in the same category, period!
In other words, you [B]CAN'T[/B] classify those bands like that because it's not detailed enough.

Susperia - never heard em
Cradle of Filth - who knows what nowdays
King Diamond - Black Metallish
Avenged Sevenfold - Metalcore
Dope - never heard em
Godhead - never heard em
Drowning Pool - Numetal
White Zombie - never heard em
Lifeliss - never heard em

[url]www.metal-archives.com[/url] doesnt say nu-metal is a real genre of metal.

Some guy told me it's not the same thing as metalcore.

WTF? someone explain why its not real metal

who listens to God Forbid. i just got gone forever and i lovvve the guitar.... what would they be classified as?

Part of the whole metalcore New Wave of American Metal movement, I think. But im not sure as I havent heard them.

[QUOTE=loathed]pfft...[B]Nu-Metal is the future[/B]...so all of you who thinks it blows can blow yourself...stop dissing it[/QUOTE]

First of all, it depends what you classify nu-metal as. I dont think Slipknot is nu-metal if you are gonna call Linkin Park and Papa Roach nu-metal as well. They dont belong in the same category at all. LP and P.R. arent metal at all, but if that what youre calling nu-metal, then new metal does blow. It takes nowhere near the amount of skill it takes to produce real metal, no matter what genre. These types of bands are so 'pop'ish they dont even deserve to be mentioned in this METAL forum.

[QUOTE=corybott]First of all, it depends what you classify nu-metal as. I dont think Slipknot is nu-metal if you are gonna call Linkin Park and Papa Roach nu-metal as well. They dont belong in the same category at all. LP and P.R. arent metal at all, but if that what youre calling nu-metal, then new metal does blow. It takes nowhere near the amount of skill it takes to produce real metal, no matter what genre. These types of bands are so 'pop'ish they dont even deserve to be mentioned in this METAL forum.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for the completely original and never said response.

[QUOTE=corybott]First of all, it depends what you classify nu-metal as. I dont think Slipknot is nu-metal if you are gonna call Linkin Park and Papa Roach nu-metal as well. [/QUOTE]
If those are metal, then Slipknot should be called progressive death metal.

[QUOTE=bob the ripper apple.]who listens to God Forbid. i just got gone forever and i lovvve the guitar.... what would they be classified as?[/QUOTE]
i love gone forever, especially antihero, reminicent of arch enemy's ravenous

they are Melodic Thrash, Metalcore

Hrm?
 

Good lists and whatnot, great breakdown of everything. Just wanted to say one thing, don't care if I get flamed or not. I like linkin park, though they aren't the best band, the emphasis isn't supposed to be on crafty complex guitar work, rather the 2 lead singers and whatnot how one raps and the other sings/screams. Bleh... anywho, that's my two cents

Just to get off this subject of what is the definition of nu-metal, let me make it a little bit clearer by saying such bands as : Papa Roach, P.O.D., and Linkin Park....

[B]AREN'T METAL!!!![/B]

[QUOTE=procreationb]Just to get off this subject of what is the definition of nu-metal, let me make it a little bit clearer by saying such bands as : Papa Roach, P.O.D., and Linkin Park....

[B]AREN'T METAL!!!![/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=KingofDudes]Thank you for the completely original and never said response.[/QUOTE]
wow, i love to quote myself

[QUOTE=procreationb]Just to get off this subject of what is the definition of nu-metal, let me make it a little bit clearer by saying such bands as : Papa Roach, P.O.D., and Linkin Park....

[B]AREN'T METAL!!!![/B][/QUOTE]

I'm guessing about 50-some-odd percent of this thread is posts like this now.

Look, I don't want to sound like an ***, but this whole subject has been driven into the ground. Nobody cares anymore because we're so god **** sick of hearing about it.

[QUOTE=procreationb]Just to get off this subject of what is the definition of nu-metal, let me make it a little bit clearer by saying such bands as : Papa Roach, P.O.D., and Linkin Park....

[B]AREN'T METAL!!!![/B][/QUOTE]
I agree

UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG this thread is still getting posts? hahaha

[QUOTE=br3ad_man]Gothic Metal (I'm no metal expert, so someone do another one if mines inaccurate):

Gothic metal is an extension of Gothic Rock, which originated around the early 80s. The godfathers of gothic rock were Joy Divison. Gothic Metal is often very atmospheric and includes female vocals and keyboards very often (though not always). Gothic Metal takes the bleak and icy atmospherics of Gothic Rock, and mixes them with the aggression and loud instruments of Metal. Lyrics are often (but not always) about religion, romantic issues, mysticism and horror. Gothic music has a dress style, which was mainly taken from post punk bands of the 70s, such as The Cure and Siouxie and the Banshees. Bands include: Nightwish, Lacuna Coil, (arguably) Evanescence, The Gathering and Type O Negative.[/QUOTE]
It's party correct. There is only a problem that most people call most bands with a female vocalist gothic metal by default, but this is not true. There are many gothic metal bands that are already around for 10 years that have male vocalists. Like: Sentenced, Tiamat and Moonspell. And Evanescence is definitely not gothic metal, the vocalist sings in a normal way and not uses her voice in a 'gothic' way as in After Forever or Tristania (or very low like in Tiamat or Moonspell).
Nightwish is also called gothic metal a lot, but I think it fits better in symphonic or power metal. I mean don't listen to the vocals and there it is, all the characteristics of power metal. Gothic metal. Key bands: The Gathering, Tristania, Paradise Lost, Moonspell.. (for now)

Evanescence is gothic rock.nightwish is definitly symphonic metal.i don't that paradise lost is gothic metal, at least i'm not sure of it

You're right about Nightwish, my mistake. It's symphonic metal too...
Evanescence is just plain rock with a female vocalist.

[add]By the way, I want to make clear that 'gothic' isn't the same as 'gothic metal'. If you talk about goth/gothic music you're not referring to gothic metal, but to music like Sisters of Mercy..

[QUOTE=RivFader]Evanescence is gothic rock.nightwish is definitly symphonic metal.i don't that paradise lost is gothic metal, at least i'm not sure of it[/QUOTE]

I do not think evenescence is gothic rock at all