[QUOTE=bigpossum93]darn skippy, lars never went to england, he had english records imported to him in cali, oh yeah i forgot.......kirk is THE best[/QUOTE]Lars did go to england.

People say that Kirk didn't play on St. Anger because there were no solos, but actually he played more on St. Anger than he did on any of their older, classic albums. Hetfield would do all rhythm tracks and Kirk would just solo.
On the Loads and St. Anger, Kirk can be heard in the right speaker, while James is in the left.

[QUOTE=AimlessDave]People say that Kirk didn't play on St. Anger because there were no solos, but actually he played more on St. Anger than he did on any of their older, classic albums. Hetfield would do all rhythm tracks and Kirk would just solo.
On the Loads and St. Anger, Kirk can be heard in the right speaker, while James is in the left.[/QUOTE]

No you are wrong, Kirk played a lot of the rhythm with him.

[QUOTE=R. Blythe]No you are wrong, Kirk played a lot of the rhythm with him.[/QUOTE]

Hm, well maybe it was just the Black Album. Have you ever seen "A Year and a Half in the Life of Metallica?" James did pretty much all the rhythm on the album, and did all the guitar work in Nothing Else Matters, even the solo.

I remember seeing on SKOM kirk was arguing with lars about having solos. Even bob rock said he thinks there should be solos where they're needed, but not going solo crazy. Anyways, is there a reason why they didnt have any solos in there? They all seemed to want them except lars.

[QUOTE=AimlessDave]Hm, well maybe it was just the Black Album. Have you ever seen "A Year and a Half in the Life of Metallica?" James did pretty much all the rhythm on the album, and did all the guitar work in Nothing Else Matters, even the solo.[/QUOTE]


Hmmm..no i havent seen it but yeah its definitly possible, ill take your word over mine when it comes to black album, but i know in there earlier albums its both of them most of the time.

But you totally miss my point. James writes all the riffs except the solos. Kirk just plays the lead riffs that James writes.

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]I remember seeing on SKOM kirk was arguing with lars about having solos. Even bob rock said he thinks there should be solos where they're needed, but not going solo crazy. Anyways, is there a reason why they didnt have any solos in there? They all seemed to want them except lars.[/QUOTE]

Well...yeah, Lars was the one who brought forth the idea of what he called "riff-o-rama" things. Kirk said that there should be solos (so the album won't sound like a "trend") yet he wasn't interested in playing normal solos. Bob Rock simply said that there shouldn't be a rule of solos or not solos.

I read that later it was a group decision to take the solos out, so that the feel of the album would be the whole band jamming and nobody taking the forefront. I do think that the album would be much cooler if there were solos, though.

yeah i think metallica lost a lot of their substance when they removed the solo's, the album sounds like my band jamming with james singin over it... as lars says it feels "stock". but in turn this is probly what makes me like st anger more than other people

st anger is good nu-metal

but nu-metal isnt very good to listen to

Well I finally heard Junglessence the bass solo by Robert Truijo......it is pretty f***** sick!! It is 7:00 minutes long. I like the little part in the middle when Kirk joins in on Orion.
Like I mentioned in the earlier post he did not solo when he was in Columbus,Oh.

I think he is a bad a** bassist. I have damm near have all of his work he did with Infectious Grooves. Want to hear a bad a** song from him check out "Punk it up" by Infectious Grooves he is slapping at lightining speed!! I think he can run circles around Newsted.

[QUOTE=6stringslinger]Well I finally heard Junglessence the bass solo by Robert Truijo......it is pretty f***** sick!! It is 7:00 minutes long. I like the little part in the middle when Kirk joins in on Orion.
Like I mentioned in the earlier post he did not solo when he was in Columbus,Oh.

I think he is a bad a** bassist. I have damm near have all of his work he did with Infectious Grooves. Want to hear a bad a** song from him check out "Punk it up" by Infectious Grooves he is slapping at lightining speed!! I think he can run circles around Newsted.[/QUOTE]

He could most likely run circles round Cliff Burton aswell. I'm still convinced Cliff Burton should have been a Lead Guitarist instead of a Bassist....mind you I suppose he gets credited for being an 'Inventive' Bassist now, which he was in fairness.

Rob is a great bassist. As was Cliff, but I think it's difficult to compare them beacuse they have very different styles.

Is it just me or is there a discussion on which bassist is better everyday in here?

[QUOTE=metal guitar]More like compairing bassists, "best" discussions just cause trouble.
NP: Marty Friedman - It's The Unreal Thing[/QUOTE]
Most things cause trouble on this site.

all the bassists in metallica had their own time in the base, its not like any of them got kicked out because of arguing; burton was killed in the crash, and as far as i know newsteds left without any arguments or anything, did he just want a change? and now they've got trujillo, but why bother arguing about who was / is better when they have a perfectly good bassist now?

[QUOTE=thelittledrummerboy]I doubt they would have let u in. U were probally only 5 or 6 years old.But none the less it's a great concert.It's where i first really started to get into Metallica :)[/QUOTE]

I know, all the planning that must have gone into Enter Sandman.. I bought it like 7 months ago, and i watched the 1st disk over and over again... Then one day i noticed the second disk lol, i saw enter sandman and was amazed as all these people dropping from the roof lol....
Also, on Motorbreath isnt Kirks guitar, with the blue mercury in it amazing lol

[QUOTE=sack-man]all the bassists in metallica had their own time in the base, its not like any of them got kicked out because of arguing; burton was killed in the crash, and as far as i know newsteds left without any arguments or anything, did he just want a change? and now they've got trujillo, but why bother arguing about who was / is better when they have a perfectly good bassist now?[/QUOTE]

Jason left the band because he was in another project with a band he created called Echobrain... Echobrain got there first gig, and Jaymez hetfield told Jason that he couldnt take his second band to this level because he felt it would affect the Monster of Metallica....
Jason didnt understand why he couldn't play with his other band, and therefore left Metallica to play the gig with Echobrain..
Jaymez said the reason he didnt want Jason to play in echobrain is incase he enjoyed it more than Metallica, anyways i am led to believe that echobrain didnt become much of a success.... I know Jason did try and get back into the band after he had left, but the members said 'No!' he kept being really funny with the band and tryed to get them all down.... But they ended up using Bob Rock as Bass player untill The auditions for bassist was completed, in which Robert Trujillo got :)

Personally, I like Jason Newsted the best for Metallica bassist.

cause???

[QUOTE=sack-man]all the bassists in metallica had their own time in the base, its not like any of them got kicked out because of arguing; burton was killed in the crash, and as far as i know newsteds left without any arguments or anything, did he just want a change? and now they've got trujillo, but why bother arguing about who was / is better when they have a perfectly good bassist now?[/QUOTE]

That's bullsh!t man!

1st: Jason "got kicked" due to the fact that James didn't want him to go on with two projects. It was either Metallica og Echobrain.

2nd: No doubt that Rob really is a great bass player, But we haven't seen him doing anything very cool yet. Like Burton doing solos and interludes (Pulling Teeth, and almost interludes on KEA(Four Horsemen), MOP(Master of Puppets) and RTL(Fade to Black))

All the bassist are very different, and has diffrent effects on the music. Burton played the bass like an inviduel instrument. Jason followed the guitars and did as James told him.

I can't say much about Rob yet, cuz he hasn't been in metallica for an complete album recording process...

[QUOTE=I'mhungryForASandwich]Personally, I like Jason Newsted the best for Metallica bassist.[/QUOTE]


I think Jason Newstead was an amazing Bassist for Metallica, But i feel he didnt seem to have the image that fitted in with Metallica... You look at the pics with Cliff.. He fitted in great, look at pics with jason though... He seems to stand out, Rob fits in better than jason.

Just my opinion though :evil:

[QUOTE=Pisungen]That's bullsh!t man!

1st: Jason "got kicked" due to the fact that James didn't want him to go on with two projects. It was either Metallica og Echobrain.

2nd: No doubt that Rob really is a great bass player, But we haven't seen him doing anything very cool yet. Like Burton doing solos and interludes (Pulling Teeth, and almost interludes on KEA(Four Horsemen), MOP(Master of Puppets) and RTL(Fade to Black))

All the bassist are very different, and has diffrent effects on the music. Burton played the bass like an inviduel instrument. Jason followed the guitars and did as James told him.

I can't say much about Rob yet, cuz he hasn't been in metallica for an complete album recording process...[/QUOTE]

I accually saw Rock AM ring, which took place just before S.t Anger came out, and i must say Robs bass playing was accually awesome, He had also changed alot of Jason's work and replaced it with his own... But yes i agree we havn't saw him play bass for any of his own work with Metallica just yet

Btw When we're talking about good bassist we're about how creative they are... Not how good they play... Ofc Jason rocked doing the bass, but in the studio is kinda .... boring?

[QUOTE=Pisungen]Btw When we're talking about good bassist we're about how creative they are... Not how good they play... Ofc Jason rocked doing the bass, but in the studio is kinda .... boring?[/QUOTE]


How creative they are???? I am a drummer, and a guitarist.. I am highly creative but as far as playing of the bass goes its awfull because i rarely play it..... Its not just how creative they are... Its how good they play it also

How 'good' somebody is at something depends entirely on peopls definition of the word.
If you are going to discuss how 'good' someone is then agree the defnition before hand so that no confusion arises.
I'm sick to death of people trying argue about how good someone is, when in fact they're talking about completely different things.

[QUOTE=LarsAgi007]I think Jason Newstead was an amazing Bassist for Metallica, But i feel he didnt seem to have the image that fitted in with Metallica... You look at the pics with Cliff.. He fitted in great, look at pics with jason though... He seems to stand out, Rob fits in better than jason.

Just my opinion though :evil:[/QUOTE]Yeah I agree, I think Rob fits in to Metallica with his awesome crabwalk and how he twirls his hair around :D

The crabwalk is fun to do, I do it all the time in school. Only problem is that I pulled a muscle doing it the other day, cos I bent my leg the wrong way. :(

[QUOTE=vashts80]The crabwalk is fun to do, I do it all the time in school. Only problem is that I pulled a muscle doing it the other day, cos I bent my leg the wrong way. :([/QUOTE]I guess it's a just a special skill then :D

[QUOTE=LarsAgi007]How creative they are???? I am a drummer, and a guitarist.. I am highly creative but as far as playing of the bass goes its awfull because i rarely play it..... Its not just how creative they are... Its how good they play it also[/QUOTE]

Surething... I'm talking about when you compare Jason and Cliff...

Btw. Just watched SKOM, and noticed a really cool riff... It's in the "Unnamed Feeling" part... Just after they've talked trou the lyrics, and Lars Pisses james of... Can't find it anywhere on St. Anger... It's kinda speedy

[QUOTE=munky_magik]How 'good' somebody is at something depends entirely on peopls definition of the word.
If you are going to discuss how 'good' someone is then agree the defnition before hand so that no confusion arises.
I'm sick to death of people trying argue about how good someone is, when in fact they're talking about completely different things.[/QUOTE]

That's why i tried settling it ;)

[QUOTE=CreepingDeath~]I guess it's a just a special skill then :D[/QUOTE]

Must be (Attepts going downstairs doing the crab) lol :evil:

[QUOTE=Pisungen]That's why i tried settling it ;)[/QUOTE]


I did understand... I pointed out that a good bass player does not nesassarily mean they are creative... You can be the most creative guy in the world but if you can play the instrument well, then its not going to sound good Eg: Playing drums with pencils :D

It must be hard for Rob makin' that face he does, crabwalking, twirling his hair, and playing bass at the same time. :cool:

[QUOTE=LarsAgi007]I did understand... I pointed out that a good bass player does not nesassarily mean they are creative... You can be the most creative guy in the world but if you [B]can[/B] play the instrument well, then its not going to sound good Eg: Playing drums with pencils :D[/QUOTE]
Can or can't? :confused:

I think pencil drumming is cool :upset:

[QUOTE=CreepingDeath~]Can or can't? :confused:

I think pencil drumming is cool :upset:[/QUOTE]

I think it's can't :wave:

[QUOTE=Pisungen]I think it's can't :wave:[/QUOTE]
Okay, that's what I thought.. :)

[QUOTE=Pisungen]I think it's can't :wave:[/QUOTE]

Yea its cant lol

[QUOTE=I'mhungryForASandwich]Personally, I like Jason Newsted the best for Metallica bassist.[/QUOTE]
Same.
Someone said something about how Jason looked very out of place with Metallica, I totally disagree with that. That guy has a pretty metal face and knows how to perform, and he also can do very good growls (Live Sh*t). IMO, after Cliff passed away, he was the god-sent replacement who would try to mantain Cliff's legacy, but never pass it. As far as I see Cliff, it was rarley about his playing... It was about his presence and performance. Jason did his job on every single one of those Metallica never realized this (self admitted), and coincidently, in the 4ish albums Jason was with them, their fanbase became 10X bigger. As soon as he left, Metallica seemed to have lost its mind. Not that I'm bashing Rob, but his performance leaves me cold and his image just makes Metallica seem like an everyday trucker band (don't ask me to explain, i have no clue why :confused: ).

btw, since I haven't been on this in about 4 days, i just noticed the new rep thing. Funny because just a few days before I was battling about that topic with some morons in another thread. Repping was starting to be used as a weapon to enforce your opinions, and in the end only the biggest were able to keep up. Thats just missing the entire point. Kudos to the mods.

[QUOTE=CreepingDeath~]It must be hard for Rob makin' that face he does, crabwalking, twirling his hair, and playing bass at the same time. :cool:[/QUOTE]

Well he's been playing with Ozzy for years, and I think they said he's around the same age as the rest of the band (38-42 range prolly) so he's had a long time to practice multitasking :thumb:

edit: i haven't been on all day. where'd my stars go?!