[QUOTE=Eleventeen]False.

It all flows far too well to just be, 'a bunch of riffs strung together,'

Yes, it's completely unstructured, but the songwriting is quite evident in the flow.[/QUOTE]

I don't know. He got riffs he'd made up and strung the ones together that sounded good next to each other. ie: The ones that are in the same or similar keys, or ones that made for interesting changes. So yes, they do "flow" without sounding stupid.

But that dosn't take away from the fact that the riffs mostly sit next to each other. There isn't a lot to draw me back to the 'songs' other than a riff or two that I like, and that shouldn't really be how songs are for me. I sort of see it more as pieces of music than songs though, in that style. Opeth became a genius band on MAYH and beyond, they only mostly hinted potential genius in Orchid and Morningrise.

Can't any of you O/MR lovers actually see how on their work after their two albums they actually link riffs together with passages and intermediate riffs and such? Actually progressing into good songwriting, rather than just sitting riffs next to each other?

Anyway, if you enjoy that, you do, but personally I find it [i]boring[/i] to sit through the entirity of Orchid or Morningrise, even though parts of those albums have me in awe.

[QUOTE=Trivium616]I don't know if it's been posted already because I don't feel like reading through 10 pages, but Opeth was annoucned for this year's Gigantour :)[/QUOTE]
HOLY ****, IM GOING

[QUOTE=Shadius]I don't know. He got riffs he'd made up and strung the ones together that sounded good next to each other. ie: The ones that are in the same or similar keys, or ones that made for interesting changes. So yes, they do "flow" without sounding stupid.

But that dosn't take away from the fact that the riffs mostly sit next to each other. There isn't a lot to draw me back to the 'songs' other than a riff or two that I like, and that shouldn't really be how songs are for me. I sort of see it more as pieces of music than songs though, in that style. Opeth became a genius band on MAYH and beyond, they only mostly hinted potential genius in Orchid and Morningrise.

Can't any of you O/MR lovers actually see how on their work after their two albums they actually link riffs together with passages and intermediate riffs and such? Actually progressing into good songwriting, rather than just sitting riffs next to each other?

Anyway, if you enjoy that, you do, but personally I find it [i]boring[/i] to sit through the entirity of Orchid or Morningrise, even though parts of those albums have me in awe.[/QUOTE]
I can see how albums past Morningrise seem more coherently writtem, but I don't agree at all that their first two albums sound like randomly written riffs pieced together. The songs all flow for me. Not only that, but they shift throughout. Whereas the newer stuff keeps a constant sound throughout the songs, Orchid and Morningrise shifted through different styles and trains of thought in a single song. It's very hard to explain, but I wholeheartedly disagree with your views.

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]I can see how albums past Morningrise seem more coherently writtem, but I don't agree at all that their first two albums sound like randomly written riffs pieced together. The songs all flow for me. Not only that, but they shift throughout. Whereas the newer stuff keeps a constant sound throughout the songs, Orchid and Morningrise shifted through different styles and trains of thought in a single song. It's very hard to explain, but I wholeheartedly disagree with your views.[/QUOTE]

You say the songs "shift through different styles" I say the songs have different ideas and styles simply placed next to each other.

Potaytoes potahtoes, right?

I stand by the first two albums not being as overall captivating for me as their later work though.

It's funny that we disagree on this and yet both rate GR highly as an Opeth album though. I suppose thats Opeth for you.

[QUOTE=Trivium616]I don't know if it's been posted already because I don't feel like reading through 10 pages, but Opeth was annoucned for this year's Gigantour :)[/QUOTE]

Now THAT is a tour they should be on...none of this lame *** Sounds of the Underground crap. I wonder if Nevermore is going to be on it this year as well...

[QUOTE=Shadius]You say the songs "shift through different styles" I say the songs have different ideas and styles simply placed next to each other.

Potaytoes potahtoes, right?

I stand by the first two albums not being as overall captivating for me as their later work though.

It's funny that we disagree on this and yet both rate GR highly as an Opeth album though. I suppose thats Opeth for you.[/QUOTE]
I guess so. :p

I think we're the only people around here who don't rate GR as one of their worst. That's one thing I like about Opeth; everyone can have completely different ideas about the band but still agree they're amazing.

We need a new title for this thread!

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]Now THAT is a tour they should be on...none of this lame *** Sounds of the Underground crap. I wonder if Nevermore is going to be on it this year as well...[/QUOTE]

No, NM isn't. It's

Megadeth
Lamb of God
Opeth
Arch Enemy
Overkill
Into Eternity
The SmashUp
Sanctity

I would go only for Opeth and Into Eternity.

[QUOTE=pate]No, NM isn't. It's

Megadeth
Lamb of God
Opeth
Arch Enemy
Overkill
Into Eternity
The SmashUp
Sanctity[/QUOTE]
Sounds like an adequate set.

Who the hell is The Smashup?

Why did the thread titles change...

Hackings. Read the report problems thread and you'll see.

[FONT="Times New Roman"]I prefer their slow experimental songs as apposed to their screamy side. :) [/FONT]

[QUOTE=RosettaStoned][FONT="Times New Roman"]I prefer their slow experimental songs as apposed to their screamy side. :) [/FONT][/QUOTE]

He dosn't scream, he growls. :p

And argueably their usual mix of metal and soft aspects is more experimental than Damnation. :p

[QUOTE=Shadius]He dosn't scream, he growls. :p

And argueably their usual mix of metal and soft aspects is more experimental than Damnation. :p[/QUOTE]

In the Lamentations dvd Michael describes the vocal styles as screams. Technically they are growls though.

[QUOTE=Daven]I would go only for Opeth and Into Eternity.[/QUOTE]



Same. Into Eternity rule, I've had Buried In Oblivion since it came out.

My Arms Your Hearse = teh ****

I think I like GR better than Damnation.

I honestly don't like GR much anymore, meh.

Me too, actually I'm not that into any post-SL opeth recently. Still like it, but I looove the old stuff.

[QUOTE=Flynn]Same. Into Eternity rule, I've had Buried In Oblivion since it came out.[/QUOTE]

BIO is one of the best cds I have. It's original, well written, and kickass.

I haven't listened to much Opeth recently...some of BWP a few days ago, but that was it.

[QUOTE=Moses]I think I like GR better than Damnation.[/QUOTE]
Huh?

[QUOTE=ok lateralus]My Arms Your Hearse = teh ****[/QUOTE]
Agreed. I just bought it two days ago. Can't get enough.

[QUOTE=Shadius]He dosn't scream, he growls. :p

And argueably their usual mix of metal and soft aspects is more experimental than Damnation. :p[/QUOTE]

[FONT="Times New Roman"]Good point innit. :p [/FONT]

I don't like Opeth very much. Bland.

[QUOTE=Interviewer/surveyer]I don't like Opeth very much. Bland.[/QUOTE]
Bland? I've heard Opeth called many things but never bland.
[QUOTE=Mr. Ron]Huh?[/QUOTE]
I don't know, I just don't get anything from Damnation anymore and it's not like I over-played it either.

[QUOTE=Moses]Bland? I've heard Opeth called many things but never bland.[/QUOTE]
I dont' know, they just never really appealed to me very much. Not my thing.

edit: well, i won't go that far, if im in the mood, i may listen to them once in a while.

[QUOTE=Interviewer/surveyer]I dont' know, they just never really appealed to me very much. Not my thing.

edit: well, i won't go that far, if im in the mood, i may listen to them once in a while.[/QUOTE]
That's different, bland means that it lacks character. Opeth has more character than any every metal band period.

Anyway, my solo project is learning Ghost of Perdition for a live cover. How awesome is that? Mike's solos on sax are going to sound amazing.

Haha. Badass.

[QUOTE=Moses]Anyway, my solo project is learning Ghost of Perdition for a live cover. How awesome is that? Mike's solos on sax are going to sound amazing.[/QUOTE]

I find that Opeth is one of those bands that shouldn't be covered... my band can play Demon of the Fall and Deliverence, but we don't because we're not Opeth... I can growl in the same range and sing in the same range as Mike, but my voice doesn't fit... the same goes for playing the songs... it's just something special about them, that someone playing it just doesn't sound right.

[QUOTE=Moses]Bland? I've heard Opeth called many things but never bland.
[/QUOTE]

He does not know the meaning of bland. At first listen, Opeth were too folk sounding to me. Although at the time, I hadnt heard bands like Equillibrium or Finntroll. haha.

I think the first song I head was Harvest.

what does everyone think of Ghost Reveries? what are your favourite songs of it?

Its a good album, not my favorite. I like the atmosphere. of the album but I think that its lacking a feel from previous albums.

Fav song is probably Baying Of The Hounds:)

It's a good album but unlike the previous albums, the songs really are hindered by their length. It's the only album since their first two (which I don't really like) where I feel that way about the songs.

[QUOTE=Captain Quentin]what does everyone think of Ghost Reveries? what are your favourite songs of it?[/QUOTE]

I absolutely love it. It's by far has the most focused(Uh, I guess you could say stripped down) songs out of all their heavy albums. All of Mikael's vocals are in perfect harmony with the music and vice versa. I also like how riffs on the songs sound alike. For instance, on GoP the opening riff sounds just like the acoustic riff which follows later on at like 2:50. That "Ghost of, Mother!!" vocal melody would fit perfectly with that acoustic riff if only it werent growled.:lol:

I also like how subtle some of the transitions from heavy to soft are. They just sound so natural on this album. Take that transition at about 7 mins of GoP. I didnt even know it hit me until it was a few seconds in the first time I heard it.

The solos rule.Nuff said.

Mikael's vocals sound stunning. That "No longer struggling to declare your stand.." part on TBotH is hypnotic. Isolation Years quite being his best clean vocal performance to date. And the growls.....well they are f[COLOR="Black"]u[/COLOR]ckin evil.

I just think it's very overlooked and underappretiated. Everyone gushes about all the other albums and fails to point out that this album is filled with countless special moments that measure up to all their previous material. But whatever. To each his own.

I own Morningrise and I like Advent. What are you think of it?

Welcome to the forums. I can tell english is not your 1st language and upon reading your avatar, I have more verification.

Advent is a great track, But my favorite is Nectar.

Advent is awesome but Black Rose Immortal owns that album.

Advent + The Night and the Silent Water = Some of the best riffing ever.

Advent is probably my favorite on Morningrise.

I'd say Black Rose Immortal is the weakest Morningrise song.