do it yourself or something idk

[quote=Epidemechanical;18542168]no im asking you to provide adequate illustration as to why it better to a hire a bassist

you havent done this[/quote]

What are the circumstances?

Pop singer that is autotuned and doesn't write her own music - cheaper and quicker to hire the bassist.

Metal band seeking bassist - not necessary because the guitarists probably want the bass following the guitar riff exactly and LPF'd at 300Hz.

Swing, Fusion, Bebop, etc. Jazz - much of jazz is written with only comp chords, so having a bassist that improvises walking lines and does it well is preferable



There is always influence from the studio or label too. If you need a moderately intricate bassline and have never picked up a bass before, they are going to suggest bringing in outside help because someone who is trained in the field will take up less time and money than you, who has to get somewhat accustomed to the instrument with numerous takes and retakes.

It's not absolutely necessary, but there are times when it's more fiscally responsible to outsource the job.

What if you can't do it yourself?

why would you hire a session bassist just for the studio when you could audition for a bassist to join the band?

you'd need one for live performance anyway, right? if you do that sort of thing

i guess there are opportunities to hire somebody for sessions because not everbody can function on a guitar-based stringed instrument but still, if you're in a jazz band how the fuck do you not have a bassist already

isnt that like kind of important

so maybe if the bassist quit or had to leave or was sick during tracking or something, idk i guess

i find it hard to believe that musical groups where basslines are demanding, complex, and forefront would lack a person who can adequately perform that role. that doesn't really make sense. if it's what i think it is and like a rock band situation or heavier music (the situation FMB described) then there's no reason the guitar player can't track the bass or write interesting or appropriate basslines.

EDIT:

and of course we can discuss different styles of recording where every role is "session" based (see: nearly all of pop music) but what i was getting at is regular dudes like us

I don't question the market, I just acknowledge that it exists and exploit it.

right i guess

i mean dont get me wrong bro thats awesome i'd love to session bass for a band that'd be sick

i'd prolly do it for free lol but getting paid is gravy

PS you know what bass i miss? my 6 string schecter studio, i think you had one too. i loved that bass.

[quote=Epidemechanical;18542189]right i guess

i mean dont get me wrong bro thats awesome i'd love to session bass for a band that'd be sick

i'd prolly do it for free lol but getting paid is gravy

PS you know what bass i miss? my 6 string schecter studio, i think you had one too. i loved that bass.[/quote]

I still do, and I love it. I keep it in ADADGC tuning for drop D stuff, and I've considered getting another for standard BEADGC or F#BEADG tuning. Seriously great bass for the money. They've gone up in price since I originally bought mine, which is a damn shame.

[QUOTE=Epidemechanical;18542184]EDIT:

and of course we can discuss different styles of recording where every role is "session" based (see: nearly all of pop music) but what i was getting at is regular dudes like us[/QUOTE]

Oh for fuck's...

I thought that was the entire thing we were discussing.

That's why we love this guy.

I saw Rush last night. I've never heard a Fender Jazz sound like that. It was incredible. Other than that, I hate Fenders, but Geddy's tone was amazing.

The show was amazing too. **Eargasm**

Yeah that is a top notch group of musicians. Wish they'd head over this way. I saw Ron Carter Trio the other night and that was the most amazing thing I've ever seen.

No, this chick is the most amazing thing I've ever seen. I wish I had her technique and control on the theremin:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHOGW5MDsz8[/url]

Walking bassline w/ a theremin = secks

Haha that is pretty sick. Some funny sounding patches in there but it's crazy how much it looks like her left hand is playing a bass.

I don't think I'll ever see a better gig than Ron Carter Trio, not for a long time at least. The man himself, plus Mulgrew Miller and Russell Malone. The three best musicians I've ever seen in person, playing in the same trio to boot.

Filter Twin is a fucking enjoyable stompbox I must add.

[quote=gaslight;18544432]Haha that is pretty sick. Some funny sounding patches in there but it's crazy how much it looks like her left hand is playing a bass.

I don't think I'll ever see a better gig than Ron Carter Trio, not for a long time at least. The man himself, plus Mulgrew Miller and Russell Malone. The three best musicians I've ever seen in person, playing in the same trio to boot.

Filter Twin is a fucking enjoyable stompbox I must add.[/quote]

I've always wanted to see Ron Carter. His improvisation skills are amazing. One day, I'll see him. One day...

Filter Twin, is that like a dual envelope filter?

The whole trio are amazing improvisers, amazing at everything else too mind.

A 74 year old man sliding fifth, sixth and even fucking octave double stops on an upright, just blew my mind. I drove home with the car stereo off because, what the fuck do you listen to after that.

Yeah that's it, two controllable filters sweeping opposite directions.

[quote=gaslight;18544582]The whole trio are amazing improvisers, amazing at everything else too mind.

A 74 year old man sliding fifth, sixth and even fucking octave double stops on an upright, just blew my mind. I drove home with the car stereo off because, what the fuck do you listen to after that.

Yeah that's it, two controllable filters sweeping opposite directions.[/quote]

What is the technical definition of a double-stop? I didn't know that octaves counted.

I do the same thing after most concerts - I just sit in silence and drive home happy.

Oh, like the pre-/post- sweep? (I think that's how they refer to them, I know what you mean.) That's pretty cool. I have seen some envelope filters that have a switch to select between, but never one that has both. **runs off to yubtub**

A double stop is just playing two notes at once on your instrument, triple stop is three notes, quadruple stop four, so on.

Double stops are a technique term not a theory term like a diad.

The different filters are a downwards moving and upwards moving one. You can get some real tasty Jamiroquai kind of tones and other funkiness.

And yeah man, very happy after that gig. Even after walking around the city for 30 minutes in the pouring rain looking for my damn car. GPS is a lie.

So I traded in my 6 string and got an acoustic, awesome. Probably shouldn't be throwing money about when I'm planning to move interstate very shortly hahaha.

On the plus side, the guy who I always see at the music shop gave me two free tickets to see a little workshop thing Page Hamilton is doing there while Helmet are on tour down here. The only one they're doing in Australia apparently. I don't even really like Helmet, but fuck that!

how did you guys get to be such faggots

What kind of acoustic did you get?

[QUOTE=gaslight;18545985]What kind of acoustic did you get?[/QUOTE]

[URL]http://www.ibanez.com/BassGuitars/model-AEB10ENT[/URL]

This one yo. Much more useful to have around and practise without my monstrous amp and with the band acoustically. Considering I never even used my 6 string live, a think it's a good trade off.

I think I'll probably look into getting a decent 5 string if things go well over the next year or so. If not I'll probably build a p special or something.

Looks okay.

I wouldn't mind getting an acoustic at some point.

A 5 string is definitely good to have. A 6 covers its range but to me a 6 feels really bulky and conspicuous when the highs aren't being used.

Hi.

lol. i still have a db500

I saw a couple wicked shows this weekend.

Devo on Saturday night.
Digable Planets and Pharcyde on Sunday.

Pretty awesome all around.

I brewed another mead last night - pomegranate. I hope it turns out well. I guess I'll find out around Christmas.

In other news, I've almost finished the paintjob on my Squier. It needs one more wet sand and them I'm on to clear coats. I attempted a reverse-burst, so it's a black body and a red burst. Turned out okay, but I suspect there's a reason I've never seen it done this way...

Yo peeps, long time no see. Cool to see a lot of the old guard are still around. Don't think I've been here since I started studying at college. How's everyone doing?

[quote=katana_manatee;18547561]Yo peeps, long time no see. Cool to see a lot of the old guard are still around. Don't think I've been here since I started studying at college. How's everyone doing?[/quote]

Hey there, my overseas smoke buddy! How goes college for you? Still studying Japanese? College aside, how are you doing?

I'm doing well. The girlfriend just moved in with me about three weeks ago and I've been busy with summer school (Philosophy of Science; English 2) and working on all of my effects projects.

lol random people pop in for a post and leave again

so many big names :P

[QUOTE=BenJammin;18547703]lol random people pop in for a post and leave again[/QUOTE]

Hells yeah.

It's like none of us ever left.

I've pretty much stopped playing bass since I got into the university; I mostly just doodle with guitar. I can still play, but my timing isn't what it used to. And since I've left MX, my English isn't what it used to be, either.

[QUOTE=FunkMetalBass;18547658]Hey there, my overseas smoke buddy! How goes college for you? Still studying Japanese? College aside, how are you doing?

I'm doing well. The girlfriend just moved in with me about three weeks ago and I've been busy with summer school (Philosophy of Science; English 2) and working on all of my effects projects.[/QUOTE]

I'm good, well... As good as one can be when recovering from glandular fever or mono as I think you say on your side of the Pond.

I'm in good spirits though. Had to study some pre-degree level qualifications again as I had been out of education for more than two years and didn't have a degree under my belt so I've been studying Biology, Psychology and Modern Studies which is largely about modern history and politics. Didn't get onto a Japanese degree course this year though so will be studying some courses which are basically 1st year undergrad level then I am emigrating to Norway next year and studying Japanese there. Should be cool.

Good to hear you are doing well, Joe. How's the music going? I have to admit that I've barely played for a good while but I'm getting back into it. Should be playing bass in the band of a guy who came 2nd in the 2008 Guitar Idol championship. The guy is only 18 and he is one hell of a rock player.

How's the degree going too?

@Ben: I'll try and remember to stick around this time :p. You doing alright?

A good friend of mine just got into a jazz program for bass, so he asked me if I want to start playing some jazz with him. We're just starting, but, if all goes well, we'll actually try and do some gigs. So far it's just me on guitar and him on bass, but he somehow knows tons of musicians so we shouldn't have much trouble with getting a drummer involved.

[quote=katana_manatee;18548087]I'm good, well... As good as one can be when recovering from glandular fever or mono as I think you say on your side of the Pond.

I'm in good spirits though. Had to study some pre-degree level qualifications again as I had been out of education for more than two years and didn't have a degree under my belt so I've been studying Biology, Psychology and Modern Studies which is largely about modern history and politics. Didn't get onto a Japanese degree course this year though so will be studying some courses which are basically 1st year undergrad level then I am emigrating to Norway next year and studying Japanese there. Should be cool.

Good to hear you are doing well, Joe. How's the music going? I have to admit that I've barely played for a good while but I'm getting back into it. Should be playing bass in the band of a guy who came 2nd in the 2008 Guitar Idol championship. The guy is only 18 and he is one hell of a rock player.

How's the degree going too?

@Ben: I'll try and remember to stick around this time :p. You doing alright?[/quote]

Norway seems like a strange place to go for Japanese studies, but I wont question it. I hope you're at least enjoying classes. The pre-req's can be cumbersome and annoying.

Music is on hold, though I do still write grab the acoustic and write in my spare time. Now that I'm a full-time student during the Spring and Fall semesters, I've finally taken the time to sell a lot of my unused gear and make some money to pay the tuition costs, as well as put some into savings. One of the savings goals is to purchase a mic preamp and a better recording interface so that I can record the songs that I've been writing.

The degrees are going well. With all the summer school I do, I should graduate at the end of 2012 with both the Math and Physics. However, grad schools wont accept me until the following fall semester, so if it takes me until 2013 for both of them, I wont sweat it. I still have to research math grad programs too. At quick glance, I'm leaning toward University of Arizona, which is about two hours away, but seems to have much more in the way of topology and graph theory courses than the other universities here.

That sounds great. I'll have to look into grad schools soon, as well. I could graduate in 2012 (4 years), but I'm trying to see if I head out to la Universidad de Buenos Aires, Argentina, for the January semester. If I do that, then I'd finish in December '13.

I really haven't looked into the grad school thing [I]too[/I] much. I REALLY wany to go to México (Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México), or some other place in Latinamerica, to get the latinamerican experiencie, and the latinamerican academia tics. But I'll probably apply to some graduate schools in the US; after all, they are the most 'generous' with financial aid. Right now, Chicago is the only one I'm sure I want to apply too (and if I'd get in, I won't step a foot in the politics or economy programs).

[QUOTE=FunkMetalBass;18548157]Norway seems like a strange place to go for Japanese studies, but I wont question it. I hope you're at least enjoying classes. The pre-req's can be cumbersome and annoying.

Music is on hold, though I do still write grab the acoustic and write in my spare time. Now that I'm a full-time student during the Spring and Fall semesters, I've finally taken the time to sell a lot of my unused gear and make some money to pay the tuition costs, as well as put some into savings. One of the savings goals is to purchase a mic preamp and a better recording interface so that I can record the songs that I've been writing.

The degrees are going well. With all the summer school I do, I should graduate at the end of 2012 with both the Math and Physics. However, grad schools wont accept me until the following fall semester, so if it takes me until 2013 for both of them, I wont sweat it. I still have to research math grad programs too. At quick glance, I'm leaning toward University of Arizona, which is about two hours away, but seems to have much more in the way of topology and graph theory courses than the other universities here.[/QUOTE]

I guess Norway does seem an odd place, but I'm half Norwegian and a full Norwegian citizen as well as British citizen and I just love Norway. Gonna emigrate next year and then will be doing an intensive Norwegian course to ensure I can cope with the level of language needed for university and I need to do a mandatory course on the history of philosophy and science with some ethics and critical thinking thrown in. Once that is done I'll be free to study the MA in Japanese. By the time I finally graduate I'll be 30 though...

Classes so far are fine and I think I'll enjoy the ones I need to do from the semester starting in August, thankfully the material interests me.

Good to hear your degrees are going well, you got a specific career in mind or are you waiting until you get onto a grad course before deciding?

If you get some recordings done in future, gimme a heads up, I'd definitely like to give 'em a listen.

Joel dude, can you drop me an email address? Want some advice about some mixing things! :)

Hey guys, pedalboard recommendations please?

Preferably the kind that are also a case when you close them up and have a good handle and so on.

[quote=fatbandit;18548744]Joel dude, can you drop me an email address? Want some advice about some mixing things! :)[/quote]
my first name then halford at windows live dot com.


Figure it out so the spam bots can't ;)

[quote=FunkMetalBass;18548157]Norway seems like a strange place to go for Japanese studies, but I wont question it. I hope you're at least enjoying classes. The pre-req's can be cumbersome and annoying.

Music is on hold, though I do still write grab the acoustic and write in my spare time. Now that I'm a full-time student during the Spring and Fall semesters, I've finally taken the time to sell a lot of my unused gear and make some money to pay the tuition costs, as well as put some into savings. One of the savings goals is to purchase a mic preamp and a better recording interface so that I can record the songs that I've been writing.

The degrees are going well. With all the summer school I do, I should graduate at the end of 2012 with both the Math and Physics. However, grad schools wont accept me until the following fall semester, so if it takes me until 2013 for both of them, I wont sweat it. I still have to research math grad programs too. At quick glance, I'm leaning toward University of Arizona, which is about two hours away, but seems to have much more in the way of topology and graph theory courses than the other universities here.[/quote]
Dude save up for the GAP Pre73, it soooooo worth it. I got one. And it is so sweet!