[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]Im really betting that he put that up as a joke, to see who could read deepest into it

Maybe there's a prize for the most implausible?[/QUOTE]

Yeah he's just messing with our heads again most likely...

It'll all be a big joke until the release of the album.

[QUOTE=Lateralias]I can sense some info coming soon, whether we here it from Blair or not. Seems like we should know about the dates soon.[/QUOTE]


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Like obsessive fans are on a fixed path to solve the riddle only to find it has nothing to do with the album

The obsessive fan boys will rush off and look for 100 different meanings.

The rest of us will joke about plausible outcomes, and sit back in our chairs, on day 921 of waiting for the new album line

:lol: a lot will do that

[QUOTE=R. Blythe]Does anyone know what riff from The Grudge was ripped off from Shine on You Crazy Diamond?[/QUOTE]

I've never heard/noticed that before. However, not sure if this has been brought up before, but does anyone besides me hear a similarity in the main rhythm of The Grudge (Wear the grudge like a crown of negativity) and the opening rhythm to the Rush song Yyz? Yyz is in 5/4 timing through most, and The Grudge is in 5/8 and 5/4. There's even that triangle thing or whatever that Peart hits to start Yyz, and something similar in The Grudge for about 2 bars or so. I'm not saying the rhythm is exact, but I think it's similar. However, I've never heard anything about SOYCD being an influence to the song. Maybe I'll go listen to The Grudge again and see if I notice anything.

And about the morse code thingy. Maybe it's just a rhythm to a new Tool song. This also has to do with Yyz. This is taken from songfacts.com:

"YYZ is the transmitter code for Toronto's Lester B. Pearson International Airport. Every airport is assigned a unique 3 letter code, and that code is always being transmitted so that pilots can tell, roughly, where they are and verify that their navigational radios are tuned properly. These codes are also written on your luggage tags when you fly. The intro to the song is Morse code for 'YYZ.'"

If what is on Tool's website is morse code, than maybe they are using that as part of one of their songs. Understand what I'm saying?

...Or I could be wrong :D

"Over-thinking, over-analyzing, seperates the body from the mind"

It's kind of ironic that this is a line from the song that led to the most extreme over-analysing of an album I've ever witnessed

[QUOTE=Knifeboy]"Over-thinking, over-analyzing, seperates the body from the mind"

It's kind of ironic that this is a line from the song that led to the most extreme over-analysing of an album I've ever witnessed[/QUOTE]

But thats a positive line IMO.

But I will admit, not even Pink Floyd albums come close to how much Lateralus has been analysed. But not many albums leave as much to discussion as it did.

The mind being seperated from the body is a bad thing.. I'm pretty sure.
Over-thinking and over-analyzing are negative words.

I always found that, from a band that promotes the idea that the soul is immortal, and that the human stage is merely a small step, and that enlightenment is a goal, that this would be a good thing .

But yeah, from the negative words, I imagine thats the impression most would get

Good point.. Good point.. I still doubt Tool promotes over-analyzation of things though. Heheh

I never find overanalyzing things as bad really. Analyzing is positive.

When you start analyzing, it can easily lead to speculation though, which can be a bad thing.

Its healthy to read between the lines in any sense, especially with the media in this day and age

[QUOTE=Lateralias]I never find overanalyzing things as bad really. Analyzing is positive.[/QUOTE]
Just remember to apply a respectable portion of lubricant.

its good to analyze, but its not good when it becomes speculation (as said by adam jones is god)

[QUOTE=Lateralias]I never find overanalyzing things as bad really. Analyzing is positive.[/QUOTE]

Over analyzation begins as soon as you read too deeply into things, and get meanings from something, that's got nothing to do with it at all.
Analyzing is fine, overanalyzing can only be harmfull, in my opinion

Yeah that is true, speculation usually is a bad thing. I think AJiG you said it right with this though:

[Quote=Adam Jones is GOD]Its healthy to read between the lines in any sense, especially with the media in this day and age[/Quote]

yeah, you cant really know what people is trying to say, that's when you need to analyze

Eulogy
 

I know that interpretations for these songs have been made already, but I've been itching to get my views on these songs.
If I go over an already thought of interpretation, I'm sorry, but it's freaking impossible reading through this entire thread now lol ****..

[B]Eulogy[/B]

First off, I think this song has alot to do with a teacher either the band (or just Maynard) had, that taught them in a way that helped open their third eye. Then somehow, the teacher went through a metaphorical death, and Maynard is reflecting on his life and feelings of him.

[B]He had alot to say. He had alot of nothing to say. We'll miss him. [/B]

As with all teachers, they have volumes to cram into you. As a student though, and having the thought process of thinking for yourself and questioning authority, you have to filter the information for yourself and take what you need. Hence, "He had alot of nothing to say." And with any teacher, their thoughts stick with you forming a bond..."We'll miss him."

[B]So long. We wish you well. You told us how you weren't afraid to die. Well then, so long. Don't cry. Or feel too down. Not all martyrs see divinity. But at least you tried.[/B]

Then comes the metaphoric death of the teacher. And Maynard expresses his condolences..."So long. We wish you well." And in my thinking, since the guy was something of a spiritual teacher, in their minds, death would be just another step to further learning and therefore nothing to be scared of..."You told us how you weren't afraid to die. Well then, so long." So apparently, this teacher went through a metaphoric death because of his beliefs which is why they call him a martyr. Looking at the lyrics it seems the teacher had a metaphoric death seeing that the reason he's crying and feeling down is because he didn't reach his thought of divinity, and dying inside. Again, Maynard gives his condolences, "But at least you tried."

[B]Standing above the crowd he had a voice that was strong and loud. We'll miss him. Ranting and pointing his finger at everything but his heart. We'll miss him.[/B]

Again, the beliefs the teacher had made him proud, but with all of his ranting and pointing trying to get his thoughts across he denied his ownself further learning which is represented by his own heart. And Maynard gives his condolences.

[B]No way to recall what it was that you had said to me, Like I care at all. So loud. You sure could yell. You took a stand on every little thing and so loud.[/B]

I think that this part of the song is where Maynards' feelings towards the death get to him. It's like any death that occurs to someone you know. First you remorse, then you accept, and then you get mad for that person being dead and questioning their very being. And this is no acception. Emotion masks thought, and Maynards' too angry with the teacher to recall his teachings, and eventually not caring. Remembering only how loud the teacher was and how he took a stand on every little thing.

[B]Standing above the crowd, he had a voice so strong and loud and I swallowed his façade cuz I'm so eager to identify with someone above the ground, someone who seemed to feel the same, someone prepared to lead the way, with someone who would die for me. Will you? Will you now? Would you die for me? Don't you ****in' lie. Don't you step out of line. Don't you ****in lie. You've claimed all this time that you would die for me. Why then are you so surprised to hear your own eulogy? [/B]

The anger is gaining weight. Whenever you first put trust into someone enough to listen to them, and learn from them...to only have that person "die" on you, you question why you trusted them in the first place. You trusted them because they thought like you, then they "die" and you ask yourself in the end, "Weren't you willing to die for me? Weren't you willing to stick with me to the end?" Then once you look back, they lied to you and didn't take the long haul, they stepped out of line. That teacher made a promise to stay to the end no matter how intense the lesson, and when divinity wasn't reached for that person, they shouldn't be surprised to "die".

[B]You had alot to say. You had alot of nothing to say. Come down. Get off your ****in cross. We need the ****in space to nail the next fool martyr. To ascend you must die. You must be crucified for your sins and your lies. Goodbye... [/B]

Now, knowing that Maynard sees the religious aspects of the cruxifiction as an insult to free learning, and then to have that teacher give in and "die" just because their thoughts of divinity wasn't reached he asks the teacher to get off the cross, or rather stop pitting yourself and get over it. And leave the space for the next teacher to come along and cruxify themselves. Because you can never be a teacher, just a student, and anyone who sees themselves as a teacher cuts themselves off from free thought.
"To ascend you must die." Again, death is just another step to a higher learning. "You must be crucified for your sins and your lies." In this, I think Maynard is really refering to actual punishment by cruxifiction for their downfall as a self proclaimed teacher.
And finally, Maynard says his goodbye's.


Well, this is my take. Tell me what you think.

Prying open my thrid eye,
~daniel

hey, my name is also Daniel

That was a nice second post, welcome to the forums :) .

I think Eulogy is an often dissected and analyzed Tool song, everyone wants to know who in the heck Maynard is speaking this song about. But esoteric put it well as teachers in general, maybe Bill Hicks was this teacher to them? There are endless interpretations.

Good to see a user bringing back the song interpretations.

(and someone older than me :eek: )

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]I think its because this thread is googled a bit, and people will actually read a fair bit of the early discussions.

Least he didnt quote the first post, as most tend to do. This was an intelligent comment[/QUOTE]


Thanks guys (Sliptallica, letmypeopleho) for the compliments. And my bad about it already being mentioned, the thread has gotten freakin' huge lol

Here's to more posts.

Prying open my third eye,
~daniel

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]Good to see a user bringing back the song interpretations.

(and someone older than me :eek: )[/QUOTE]

Agreed. I love interpreting songs, and reading others' interperetations.

[QUOTE=Lateralias] There are endless interpretations.[/QUOTE]


you can almost say that about any Tool song. Wasn't it Maynard's intention to let his songs have different meanings to different people? I almost leave it to that, but knowing what the song means to Maynard is neat none the less.

maybe bill hicks taught them something or they considered him a teacher

I agree with your analyzation of Eulogy more than anyone else's but you forgot one thing that I think may have been important.
[B]Why then are you so surprised to hear your own eulogy[/B]

I think he's telling the mentor right there that he wasn't as good as he thought he was and attacking the teachers ego.

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Wow, now that I've read that, that's pretty cool. I've never heard it interperated that way. Though, I still think the song is about Ron L. Hubbard.