[quote=C.O.A.;14959465]i don't want a link or anything, i'm just curious about what he considers good.

i don't know, its just the fact that he says almost every band that comes up is "gay kiddie wiggercore" or something like that. i want to see what he considers "good"[/quote]


He's too "elite" to share with us, even band names.

Pay attention though, he slips occasionally.

[QUOTE=Behemoth_Rules_All;14959500]He's too "elite" to share with us, even band names.

Pay attention though, he slips occasionally.[/QUOTE]

wow.

Yea. We don't start sh[size=2]i[/size]t with him for the fun of it, he's actually that much of an idiot.

The synths on this Nocturnus are unexpectedly badass.

[I]The Key[/I] rules.

Their 2nd demo is also unbelievably awesome. The crappier production actually makes the songs sound twice as brutal.

[QUOTE=TojesDolan;14957019]What do you mean by atmospheric?

Like... real atmospheric, engaging music?

Or just shi‪ttily recorded albums in the verge of[I] Like an Ever Flowing Stream[/I]?[/QUOTE]

Uhhhhhhhh

LAEFS has pretty much the perfect DM production.

Josh, quit spamming and getting banned.

[QUOTE=Wotan;14959652]Uhhhhhhhh

LAEFS has pretty much the perfect DM production.[/QUOTE]

I remembered how amazing "Dismembered" is tonight. :chug:

They're definitely my overall most preferred DM band as of the last 2 or 3 months.

@Axl: ?

Pit, spam, ban, stop. We enjoy having you around R&M.

Just because everyone has recently blowing a load over LAEFS I'm going to listen to the demos before it, and try to think of clever ways to say that those are superior and u r all nubz

[QUOTE=Behemoth_Rules_All;14959674]Pit, spam, ban, stop. We enjoy having you around R&M.[/QUOTE]

Huh? What spam? The one thread me and Drall made?

Yea, you were banned for part of today...did you not get online during your ban anyway? :lol:

Hahaha, nope. That's funny though. Me and him spam every night :lol:

That's funny. You were banned and didn't even know it...

It's worth it then, haha

Dargon,

I enjoy all those bands you listed in the rep, but not as much as Gorement.

What do you think of Internal Decay? They are another one of my favorites.

[QUOTE=TojesDolan;14958168]YES BUT YOU KNOW, I'D DEFINE WHAT THE F‪UCK IS AMBIENT TO ME PRIOR TO BITCHING.[/QUOTE]

I'm never sure whether you're just trolling or actually want to have a reasonable discussion.

For a start the question was originally about atmosphere and then you start asking about ambient. For me they are two totally different things. And I'll say straight up that there is no such thing as ambient death metal. It would be an oxymoron; like brutal gospel!

So if you want to know about atmospheric death metal then yes it should be defined first, so please do and then we can offer some suggestions.

The other recurring topic at the moment is production values. I think the major thing people (especially BRA - possibly because of the way audio engineering courses are taught) are missing is that production is all about taste and trends. From an audio engineering standpoint, productions from The Abyss with Peter Tangerine are excellent. However, to my ears they are awful - far too bright, far too compressed with no dynamics and awful drum sounds (that don't sound like drums). Fredrik Nordstrom on the other hand is much more to my tastes - darker with much more depth.

Put it this way, I think the production on De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas is better than the production on "Death Cult Armageddon".

Or if you want the analogy - modern productions are often like Budweiser: crisp, sharp but no depth.

which incantation albums are the best?

[QUOTE=Jondur;14959983]I'm never sure whether you're just trolling or actually want to have a reasonable discussion.

For a start the question was originally about atmosphere and then you start asking about ambient. For me they are two totally different things. And I'll say straight up that there is no such thing as ambient death metal. It would be an oxymoron; like brutal gospel!

So if you want to know about atmospheric death metal then yes it should be defined first, so please do and then we can offer some suggestions.

The other recurring topic at the moment is production values. I think the major thing people (especially BRA - possibly because of the way audio engineering courses are taught) are missing is that production is all about taste and trends. From an audio engineering standpoint, productions from The Abyss with Peter Tangerine are excellent. However, to my ears they are awful - far too bright, far too compressed with no dynamics and awful drum sounds (that don't sound like drums). Fredrik Nordstrom on the other hand is much more to my tastes - darker with much more depth.

Put it this way, I think the production on De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas is better than the production on "Death Cult Armageddon".

Or if you want the analogy - modern productions are often like Budweiser: crisp, sharp but no depth.[/QUOTE]

Well put. "Badly" produced albums can be well produced, and what's important is the ability to hear everything that's going on, not like Beherit's Drawing Down the Moon which is badly produced, since there are many muffled spots. However a lot of norwegian second wave black metal was actually well produced - everything could be heard though the sound is rough.

[QUOTE=FatalEnergy;14959688]Just because everyone has recently blowing a load over LAEFS I'm going to listen to the demos before it, and try to think of clever ways to say that those are superior and u r all nubz[/QUOTE]
they are superior becuase the guitar tone isn't quite as fat and digitized.

[quote]Dargon,

I enjoy all those bands you listed in the rep, but not as much as Gorement.

What do you think of Internal Decay? They are another one of my favorites.[/quote]
I haven't heard them, I'll have a look though.


The best Incantation is Onward to Golgotha; everything they've done is worthwhile though.

I saw an Incantion CD the other day. I was thinking about buying but deicided against it due to money and although hearing they are good, I think you fellas said bad things about Decimate Christainity.

Does anyone else here enjoy Crystal Age?

[QUOTE]The best Incantation is Onward to Golgotha; everything they've done is worthwhile though.[/QUOTE]
that's the one I've got. I don't really remember it much, I never listened to them all that often.

[QUOTE=Jondur;14959983]
productions from The Abyss with Peter Tangerine are excellent. However, to my ears they are awful - far too bright, far too compressed with no dynamics and awful drum sounds (that don't sound like drums). Fredrik Nordstrom on the other hand is much more to my tastes - darker with much more depth.
[/QUOTE]

Absolutely. I don't like Tangerine's productions, but Fredrik's can be really good.

[QUOTE=Slapping Penguin]Does anyone else here enjoy Crystal Age?[/QUOTE]

[I]Far Beyond Divine Horizons[/I] is good. Some really neat riffs and ideas in there. My only complaint is their vocalist, he just doesn't fit the music very well. The Star Wars clip at the end of Fortune And Glory always cracks me up.

NP: Akercocke - Leviathan

and I guess...to give this some sort of on-topicness...production means very little. If it fits the music, it's good. I don't care if the mix is perfect, crisp and clear.

And Incantation is quite good.

[QUOTE=LegionsofMarduk;14961301]NP: Akercocke - Leviathan

and I guess...to give this some sort of on-topicness...production means very little. If it fits the music, it's good. I don't care if the mix is perfect, crisp and clear.

And Incantation is quite good.[/QUOTE]

I don't believe that anyone can truely not care about production. OK, whether you can hear all the elements, that is important, but there's I don't really accept that someone is "neutral" to production beyond this basic demand. There must be a production that effects you more than others?

I think he meant that whether he can hear all the elements or not doesn't affect him; if they production fits, it fits.

If that is indeed what he was trying to say, I'd definately agree.

Production on Annihilation Of Expectation is perfect.

[QUOTE=Dargon II;14960175]they are superior becuase the guitar tone isn't quite as fat and digitized.[/QUOTE]


His vocals kill on the first demo, he should have kept that style.

[QUOTE=i am the robots;14961752]Production on Annihilation Of Expectation is perfect.[/QUOTE]
I considered going to google and looking that album up to see who it's by; then I realized that eleventeen posted it and I thought "bah forget that."

Its a Through the Eyes of the Dead/The Knife Trade split.

I've only heard the one song off it though.

[QUOTE=Dargon II;14961999]I considered going to google and looking that album up to see who it's by; then I realized that eleventeen posted it and I thought "bah forget that."[/QUOTE]

I love how you don't even know the music I actually listen to, yet you ceaselessly bash it.

The dude is very insecure and feels the need to lash out anonymously. He's a very lonely, angry man who cant cope with his own emotions. Leave him be.

[QUOTE=Deathcrush;14961737]I think he meant that whether he can hear all the elements or not doesn't affect him; if they production fits, it fits.

If that is indeed what he was trying to say, I'd definately agree.[/QUOTE]

Yep. That's exactly what I meant.:thumb:

[QUOTE=i am the robots;14962109]I love how you don't even know the music I actually listen to, yet you ceaselessly bash it.[/QUOTE]
I know what it sounds like well enough to realize that it's complete kiddie bullshit. I don't have to study each and every UFO abduction claim to know that UFO abductions do not happen; similarly, I don't need to listen to every retarded singalong mallcore album to understand that mallcore is worthless horseshit.

and once again, Squirrel, you haven't posted here in days and then you pop up out of nowhere to start with your ridiculous Oprah Winfrey routine. AUS JUDEN.

I posted in here yesterday, starting a discussion about the new Cynic material.

But of course you'd think its all about you; your egocentricity is getting a hold of you, youve got to find other outlets for your rage other than trying to down-talk others over the internet.

Ask yourself this: does anything you do here, really improve your life?

[QUOTE=Squirrel;14962252]I posted in here yesterday, starting a discussion about the new Cynic material.[/QUOTE]
I see. Unfortunately new Cynic sucks so your contribution wasn't worthwhile anyways.

[QUOTE=Dargon II;14962259]I see. Unfortunately new Cynic sucks so your contribution wasn't worthwhile anyways.[/QUOTE]

Your mentality is terrible, it really is.

Theres 2 possible scenarios here:

1. Youre like this in real life too. In that case you are no doubt a complete shut in, introverted loner. Most likely a pervert also. You spend your time on the internet trying to get at the world by claiming superiority over others based entirely on your music TASTE. If you actually believe that how you act here is justified then you are one very very pathetic human being and you have been raised to be one messed up person.

2. You dont act like this in person, in which case you enjoy having some bizarre alter e-ego that you continue to milk even when its obvious is yields you no benefits. This hints that subconsciously youre displeased with yourself, your image and who you are as a person - so much so that creating a facade on the internet gives you pleasure and a passtime, more so than outside life can give you.