[QUOTE=repcak]Head like a hole and terrible lie are live far most better, but on the record they are not revolutionary but OK.[/QUOTE]



I agree with that soo much.

Has anyone of you seen "Broken - the movie" ?! want to know what you think about it.... :rolleyes:

Boring. Except for the Happiness in Slavery part.

boring? hm... i have't seen the whole film, only some scenes and it seems very brutal.... it reminds me snuff-films (-> 8mm: have you seen the film? with nicolas cage)

edit: i just watched the whole movie... hm... i still don't understand why Trent Reznor made this film... why?!

I've seen pieces of it. They screened the "Happiness in Slavery" video at the [I]With Teeth [/I]release party I attended last year. It was...gruesome. I couldn't stop watching though, heh.:amaze: Anyway, I did read however that the reason Reznor did the [I]Broken Movie[/I] was simply to see how far he could get with it. I think it was at the time he was having problems with his label and they were trying to control his every move or something. Guess he was just trying to piss them off.

Then he goes on and says that the reason he never released the movie was because he didn't want to have to explain it to every reporter he met...said it made the 'Happiness in Slavery' video look like a Disney movie. :confused:

By the way, Repcak, where'd you find the movie?

Broken was indicated ... forbidden... you can't buy it, but i found it on emule (2p2 network)

in this video you see how a man is kidnapped by another person, who rapes him, tortures him and kills him in the end... aerated with the videoclips of 'wish' and 'happiness in slavery'

and i agree with you; i too think that reznor wanted to see how far he can go until people/publicity will shout:"stop" ... he achieved his goal :p

[QUOTE=repcak]boring? hm... i have't seen the whole film, only some scenes and it seems very brutal.... it reminds me snuff-films (-> 8mm: have you seen the film? with nicolas cage)

edit: i just watched the whole movie... hm... i still don't understand why Trent Reznor made this film... why?![/QUOTE]
I've never seen the whole movie, but I have seen parts of it, and that was my exact question as well: Why?!

I mean, stuff that derranged doesn't come from a normal person. But what Misunderstood said seems very logical, plus Reznor was about as heavy an alcoholic as you can get.

Closer is a far better artistic statement. The video is very surreal, but still very expressive and very cool. Then he became even more refined through the Fragile into the s[size=2]hit[/size] that he's calling a NIN video with songs like Only.

i won't call Trent Reznor a normal person... (like me). Trent Reznor is sick and his sickest phase in his life he had in broken. you only have to look at the lyrics, the video of happiness in slavery and the movie. its sick sick sick.

the biggest contradiction was to see the video "happiness in slavery" (for the first time) and right afterwards seeing the video "non-entity" live. it was so paradox. i couldn't/or better: it's hard to believe, that it was the same person, only 12years later. he changed so much during his lifetime.

and to be serious i don't want to know in what a bad (mental-) constitution he was, during "broken". it was his worst lifetime ever (i think)

the other point for broken, i supposse is the fact that he wanted to provoke the world... for whatever reason, i don't know. maybe he didn't really wanted to get such famous and wanted to destruct everything ... maybe this is 'broken' - a status: mr. sefldestruct his own musical career.


offtopic: @kage: do you still wanna make this pen pal thing?

Trent Reznor is not sick....
The only coherent way you could make the argument that he's sick is if you consider his alcoholism. Mentally he seems like an amazingly generous and kind person. He's campaigned against fur for PETA and done concert efforts to raise money to help the victims of Katrina.

now... now he is clean! but during broken and TDS he was mentally sick.. had depressions and so on. After The Fragile tour he collapsed completly and went for a rehab to a clinic.

yeah, if i ever have to do a biography for school, Trent would probably be one of the most interesting people to do.

i've done it. for my matura exam i've wrote a special topic about Trent Reznor... about 13pages long.
afterwards i edited it a little bit and posted it on mx -> featured artist serie

Im gonna have to read that, perhaps you can post a linky linky?

[QUOTE=repcak]

the other point for broken, i supposse is the fact that he wanted to provoke the world... for whatever reason, i don't know. maybe he didn't really wanted to get such famous and wanted to destruct everything ... maybe this is 'broken' - a status: mr. sefldestruct his own musical career.


[/QUOTE]

Didn't he release Broken because of the record label being a twat? From what I hear, he had all of this anger from the record label messing him around so he wanted it to be as abrasive and disgusting as possible.

I tell you what, it definitely worked! Industrial reigns supreme as the harshest genre of music.

On another note, I still haven't really listened to With Teeth. It doesn't grab me.

And another note... I'm really loving Underneath It All right now. A really tragic song, to me.

Industrial is the harshest music? Umm.....what are you smoking?

i can agree with him.... although not 100%, but i think i know what he means. Industrial - the real one - was/is sometimes really harsh, and you can't compare it with NIN.
Industrial takes getting used to and is shocking. Listen to the old Skinny Puppy records or to Einstürzende Neubauten - Kollaps (i still can't listen to this record).

And the link for the FA about NIN:
[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=394207[/url]

So...I go to the University of New Brunswick and I recently won a contest having to do with my off campus meal plan. I won $1000 toward a Spring Break vacation and I think I am gonna use it to see Nine Inch Nails in London, Ontario on March 6 with one friend :D:D:D:D. We never get any good concerts over here, so this is like a dream come true!

[QUOTE=repcak]i can agree with him.... although not 100%, but i think i know what he means. Industrial - the real one - was/is sometimes really harsh, and you can't compare it with NIN.
Industrial takes getting used to and is shocking. Listen to the old Skinny Puppy records or to Einstürzende Neubauten - Kollaps (i still can't listen to this record).

And the link for the FA about NIN:
[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=394207[/url][/QUOTE]

I agree, NIN is NOT industrial. But real industrial is nowhere near the harshest music that exists.

[QUOTE=bwnstl]Trent Reznor is not sick....
The only coherent way you could make the argument that he's sick is if you consider his alcoholism. Mentally he seems like an amazingly generous and kind person. He's campaigned against fur for PETA and done concert efforts to raise money to help the victims of Katrina.[/QUOTE]

is he a vegan

Does anyone else think The Great Below is one of NIN best songs?

I do.

[QUOTE=bwnstl]I agree, NIN is NOT industrial. But real industrial is nowhere near the harshest music that exists.[/QUOTE]
what genre would you consider as [B]the[/B] harshest? the hardly listenable music ever...?

[QUOTE=PeEpHoLe_10]Does anyone else think The Great Below is one of NIN best songs?[/QUOTE]
The Great Below is great, but i prefer '...And All That Could Have Been'. the composition of the whole song blow me away... its beautiful

[QUOTE=repcak]

The Great Below is great, but i prefer '...And All That Could Have Been'. the composition of the whole song blow me away... its beautiful[/QUOTE]
I agree. 'The Great Below' is an awesome song but 'AATCHB' is just...beautiful. Definately one of my favorite NIN songs. I'm really REALLY hoping they play it during the upcoming tour. It would be just great.

[QUOTE=Werny]Industrial reigns supreme...[/QUOTE]
Grind > Industrial

In terms of "sickness"

[QUOTE=misunderstood]I agree. 'The Great Below' is an awesome song but 'AATCHB' is just...beautiful. Definately one of my favorite NIN songs. I'm really REALLY hoping they play it during the upcoming tour. It would be just great.[/QUOTE]
i don't think NIN ever played AATCHB live...

[QUOTE=Magicaltroll]Grind > Industrial

In terms of "sickness"[/QUOTE]
i agree 150% :thumb:

[QUOTE=repcak]i don't think NIN ever played AATCHB live...
[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I don't think they have but at one of the Spiral chats he was asked whether there was any chance of playing 'And All That Could Have Been', and 'We're In this Together Now' (two of which have never been played live) and he responded.....'yes' and 'maybe'
So there's still hope..:p

No, Trent is not vegan as far as anyone knows. He just campaigned with PETA against the use of fur as a fashion statement.

I agree that the Great Below is an amazing, amazing song. But I also agree with the other people here that AATCHB is probably one of NIN's 3 best songs they've ever made.

And Repcak, I personally think things like The Dillinger Escape Plan and Death Metal make industrial sound like Disney theme songs, not to mention they're a lot more listenable and sonically interesting.

for me death metal is more accessible than industrial (and i speak of the original industrial ... not ministry, or nin)

So the NIN 2006 tour began this past Friday. Looks like the setlist has been changed a bit. "Even Deeper", "Star****ers, Inc", and "Mr.Self-Destruct" (which I'm most excited about) have been added..and some other ones as well. Just a heads up, I know alot of people had been quite disappointed because they weren't playing any California dates or New York City for that matter. Well, no worries! Looks like they're gonna head out on tour again over the summer this time hitting major cities at outdoor venues. *Hopefully they'll play Houston's Cynthia Woods Pavillion* There was a spiral chat conducted this past Friday...I was unfortunately unable to be there but I just got reading the transcript and looks like the rumors of a new [I]With_Teeth[/I] special packaging are true. The Broken Movie is never gonna be released so in the words of Reznor himself..."just download the fuvcker", heh. Anyway, Nothing too important was said at the chat.

wow... "even deeper" and "mr. selfdestruct" live?!... :( i wanna hear it... i dream would come true...

... with teeth special packaging?! never heard of this... do you know some more details?

Industrial artists tend to favor very harsh, loud static and crackling distortion, I think you have "harsh" confused with "heavy". Industrial isn't that heavy but it's very harsh and abrasive.

The Great Below is indeed one of the best NIN songs... the lyrics are actually decent, too. My favourites are The Great Below, Ripe, A Warm Place, Underneath It All, That's What I Get, Eraser, The Great Below, Last... so hard to pick!

[QUOTE=repcak]wow... "even deeper" and "mr. selfdestruct" live?!... :( i wanna hear it... i dream would come true...[/QUOTE]
Yeah, no kidding. I'm really hoping that when I go see them they do play those two. Seems like the setlist is changing every night. Yesterdays setlist included "Getting Smaller" and "The Big Comedown" but excluded 'Mr.Self-Destruct' and "Even Deeper"...I was really hoping for 'Just Like You Imagined'..one of my favorite NIN tracks but no luck. Oh well.

[QUOTE] with teeth special packaging?! never heard of this... do you know some more details?[/QUOTE]
I don't know much about this. I remember when With_Teeth had barely been released, there were rumors going around about Reznor having some 'master plan' or something. And that there was a reason why the album didn't include a booklet..but that everything would become clear later. I dont know, but during the last spiral chat, he was asked "Trent, last summer there were rumors about a special packaging of with_teeth that would include an essay written by you... any truth to it? "
And his response was simply "yes".

There's a [I]With_Teeth[/I] deluxe book that is, according to Trent, still in the works..so perhaps this has something to do with the whole special packaging. Who knows.

The Great Below is a great song, but I think it's spoiled a little by being so obvious an attempt to write another Hurt.

[QUOTE=Bartender]The Great Below is a great song, but I think it's spoiled a little by being so obvious an attempt to write another Hurt.[/QUOTE]
I never thought of it that way; but part of what makes Hurt so great is what comes before it--it's the conclusion to an emotionally draining and sometimes disturbing album. Whereas The Great Below is the end of the Right disc of the Fragile, which is slightly more epic and has less weight on its shoulders.

Yeah, but that's not really a defence of The Great Below; just more reasons why Hurt is better and TGB is something of a failure in trying to replicate it. But anyway, thinking about the songs atomistically; it's not even just that the writing, and the feel of the performance, are similar - some of the melody progressions and stuff actually sound the same

Regardless, both great songs.

[QUOTE=Kage]I never thought of it that way; but part of what makes Hurt so great is what comes before it--it's the conclusion to an emotionally draining and sometimes disturbing album. Whereas The Great Below is the end of the Right disc of the Fragile, which is slightly more epic and has less weight on its shoulders.[/QUOTE]

It's actually the end of the Left disc....
And I actually think The Fragile is MORE epic, it just kind of fell flat on it's face after the perfection of TDS. And I don't feel TGB being inferior. I actually prefer it, because I think it has more atmosphere (taken atomistically, of course).

Ah, that's what I meant. I was thinking of the correct disc, just a Freudian slip I suppose.

But, yeah, the Fragile is more epic, and I love TGB as the conclusion to the Left disc, just as much as Hurt is to its respective album. Both songs do a great job of adding closure to what you've just heard.

Ripe With Decay might beat them all, though!

[QUOTE=Kage]Ah, that's what I meant. I was thinking of the correct disc, just a Freudian slip I suppose.

But, yeah, the Fragile is more epic, and I love TGB as the conclusion to the Left disc, just as much as Hurt is to its respective album. Both songs do a great job of adding closure to what you've just heard.

Ripe With Decay might beat them all, though![/QUOTE]

EH, it's not my favorite, but it's pretty good. That piano riff in the middle is damn creepy though.

Ripe is so gorgeous with that guitar riff, and the crickets chirping, and the freaky piano... it sounds like something has just died, or is dying. It's my favourite album closer, shame that the majority of the 2nd disc is horrible trash. It's great when you listen to both discs all the way through.

I never liked Hurt. It has retarded production and effects in it. It starts off great and then sounds like a machine breaking down. Good for the theme of the album, but it sounds horrible.

Wait....what retarded effects?