Wasn't the Ramones S/T on Sire?

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Nothing Nice To Say quote about the Hot Topic issue.

I'm pretty sure all Ramones releases were on Sire.

what happened to the AM! messageboard?

[QUOTE=tappenzee]Yes, they can still call themselves anarchists.

You think independent labels are just doing it for the love of the music? ALL record labels are capitalist. If the record label didn't make money, it would be out of business. Until we have a society based on equal contribution, everyone is going to have to take part in capitalism in some way, shape, or form. The key difference is whether or not you make an effort in your time to fight for that change, in any way possible (including holding firm in your beliefs and refusing to water down your message--and since this news JUST happened, we have no right to judge whether or not they've done that)

When they were on an indy, they still had a boss, and they were still making that boss money. If they really want to survive on their art, they HAVE to make someone else money. Same way a factory worker has to make someone else money. Same way (insert revolutionary here) had to make someone else money at some point.

The only time I would stop calling these guys anarchists is if they blatantly did something to hurt the labor movement, or speak out against the labor movement. They haven't done that. They're still anarchists as far as I can tell.

Lets call a spade a spade here: most people in this thread are calling AM sellouts because now they're not their little secret anymore, and kids who shop at Hot Topic are gonna start listening to them.[/QUOTE]

hmmm...as far as I can tell (and this is an unfair observation for me to make), Against Me wasn't struggling to "survive on their art", they are consistently playing sold out shows, have made several successful records, and are the best selling band on interpunk.com (for whatever thats worth). Now I understand that everyone has to participate in capitalism (I myself have a job...well sort of), but what the major labels represent is not just survival capitalism, they are as capitalistic as it gets. I just can't see them playing a show in front of 75 000 Hot Hot Heat fans (whom they share a label with) and have their message still intact and honest. Of course, I could be completely wrong, they may have their message intact and expose thousands of people to anarchistic ideals and values who other wise would not. Personally, I don't see how their music can still be full of genuine heartfelt passion and that is what made them so damn good.

This is so weird..
 

Why even make the "We're Never Going Home" DVD if they were gonna lie and bullshixt the whole time about their ethics on signing live's away.
Whatever if I want a band with the same old-Against-Me!-feel, I'll listen and go see Defiance, Ohio.

[QUOTE=Brain Toad]So you're the only one that's allowed to enjoy certain types of music?

I see DK shirts all the time at Hot Topic, doesn't mean I'll stop liking them or be upset at them because other people like them besides me.[/QUOTE]No anyone can listen to them but you know, when you don't like someone and they like something you like, then you're forced to admit you like at least one thing about them and that just kinda defeats not liking them.

[QUOTE=ThievesandBastards]No anyone can listen to them but you know, when you don't like someone and they like something you like, then you're forced to admit you like at least one thing about them and that just kinda defeats not liking them.[/QUOTE]
Haha, I just imagined some guy with a mohawk (you) breaking down while talking to a scenester dude wearing a AM! babydoll shirt.

I don't really care if someone I don't like likes something I do, because maybe that'll redeem their image for me and I'll make a new friends and what I disliked about them was really just stupid and miniscule.

[QUOTE]You CAN still hold anarchist ideals and make money. They can still support picket lines, they can still contribute time/money/energy toward progressive organizations, they can still do their best to try to educate the masses about their beliefs on capitalism, economics, history, etc...[/QUOTE]

Hell yes! Anarchists that threaten DIY labels with the court system. That's so anarchy it hurts. Take down the forum making fun of us! Free expression is NOT anarchy!

I haven't ever called them sellouts nor does the sire thing bother me in the slightest bit. In fact, legal action threats and taking Crime off PIX is the only thing that bothers me about this band.

EDIT: By the way, the good people at PIX do progressive things. How would AM! suing them help with it?

Very good point Sid

PIX does Food Not Bombs, Pages to Prisoners, ect.

AM! do music for MTV.

I think AM! are really working towards something.

I'm not annoyed, I'm just annoyed at the hypocrisy of this whole "moving to Sire records" scandal. If they want to make money, that's fine, but going completely against your beliefs is what I don't like.

I don't know what Hot Topic is, but I assume it's a posershop. Well, what is everyone doing there if they hate it so much?

And as for the AM! "selling out" junk, well, we in the anarchist/activist community (in London anyway, though I am convinced this is everywhere) try to judge people by their deeds, not their words. Now if they sign on to a quasi-major record label, that's not selling out. The trick to a capitalist society is that to fight it you have to contribute to it in some way, however small and petty. But you can see how better publicity will help their cause. I do not believe that the end justifies the means, and the end they seem to be getting at is an end to capitalism, even though it means contributing to the system in a larger scale. It works, and it has its plus-sides (end justifying means, that is), but it has a bad downside, that is, a minority always gets hurt. But better publicity means bigger audience, means more people will become anarchists. Or at least anticaps. I think AM! are taking the road the Crass refused to take, and we'll see which one was wiser in a few years' time. For the meantime, unless they are advertising McDonalds' or skate shoes or designer clothes, they are not selling out.

[QUOTE=coheneran]I don't know what Hot Topic is, but I assume it's a posershop. Well, what is everyone doing there if they hate it so much?

And as for the AM! "selling out" junk, well, we in the anarchist/activist community (in London anyway, though I am convinced this is everywhere) try to judge people by their deeds, not their words. Now if they sign on to a quasi-major record label, that's not selling out. The trick to a capitalist society is that to fight it you have to contribute to it in some way, however small and petty. But you can see how better publicity will help their cause. I do not believe that the end justifies the means, and the end they seem to be getting at is an end to capitalism, even though it means contributing to the system in a larger scale. It works, and it has its plus-sides (end justifying means, that is), but it has a bad downside, that is, a minority always gets hurt. But better publicity means bigger audience, means more people will become anarchists. Or at least anticaps. I think AM! are taking the road the Crass refused to take, and we'll see which one was wiser in a few years' time. For the meantime, [B]unless they are advertising McDonalds' or skate shoes or designer clothes, they are not selling out.[/B][/QUOTE]
OH yeah, Against me! are sponsored by the skate shoe company 'Enties.'

At least we've still got Mischief Brew for sincere, rocking anarchist anthems.

[QUOTE=sketchyjoe]At least we've still got Mischief Brew for sincere, rocking anarchist anthems.[/QUOTE]
or the sex pistols:smoke:

Don't forget Anti-Flag!

Or Aus Rotten.

[QUOTE=lynch_me]OH yeah, Against me! are sponsored by the skate shoe company 'Enties.'[/QUOTE]

They're sponsored by Etnies!? Or is this sarcasm?

Anti-Flag rock! Right on!

"Anti-flag? That's not anti the American flag, is it?"

I don't care if people I hate listen to them. Infact, I can't be mad, because someone I absolutely dispise that loves them has known them longer than me. Without him and some friends of mine, I may have never heard against me!

I can't bring myself to care about what record label they're on. I had a great time at the concert over a week ago.

[QUOTE=coheneran]They're sponsored by Etnies!? Or is this sarcasm?

Anti-Flag rock! Right on!

"Anti-flag? That's not anti the American flag, is it?"[/QUOTE]

Are you being sarcastic about Anti-Flag? Because I wasn't.

[QUOTE=TakeWarning]Are you being sarcastic about Anti-Flag? Because I wasn't.[/QUOTE]

Oh Christ no. I love 'em. I saw them at Leeds, they were awesome.

"Stick your middle finger in the air! **** YOU! SHOUT IT! **** capitalism! **** police brutality! **** war! **** government! **** YOUUUU!"

Heh, they were kickass.

You still like them, even though they say all that whilst being on a major label that funds war and corrupt governments? Theyre the biggest hypocrites in punk rock today.

[QUOTE=Scabies]You still like them, even though they say all that whilst being on a major label that funds war and corrupt governments? Theyre the biggest hypocrites in punk rock today.[/QUOTE]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Quote=Scabies]You still like them, even though they say all that whilst being on a major label that funds war and corrupt governments? Theyre the biggest hypocrites in punk rock today.[/Quote]

ANTI-FLAG!??!
They're on A-F Records. They started that record label.

govt is a misleading term
just the idea of using money at all is selling out
but inevitable for survival so inavoidable essentially
good for them
theyll get more exposure and maybe one person will stop using money
haha
:(

No, they're on RCA with Avril Lavigne.

[url]http://rcarecords.com/artists.html[/url] See for yourself.

So they're on two record labels?!

[url]http://www.a-frecords.com/BND10.php[/url]

[QUOTE=coheneran]They're sponsored by Etnies!? Or is this sarcasm?

Anti-Flag rock! Right on!

"Anti-flag? That's not anti the American flag, is it?"[/QUOTE]
It's not sarcasm. They get free enties.

[QUOTE=coheneran]So they're on two record labels?!

[url]http://www.a-frecords.com/BND10.php[/url][/QUOTE]
No they're just on RCA. Only past releases are on AF.

[QUOTE=coheneran]So they're on two record labels?!

[url]http://www.a-frecords.com/BND10.php[/url][/QUOTE]
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