i have an 18inch aaxplosion crash and it works as a great ride as well.

[QUOTE=AmericanIdiot72]Can someone recomend a big cymbal that will work well as a beat keeper[/QUOTE]

Hahahaha! :lol: funny!

[QUOTE]Sabian B8 and Zildjian ZXT/ZXT rock are the best beginner crashes for your price range..be sure not to mix up B8 and B8pro (B8 pro is actually worse sounding than B8) i wouldnt recommend them, but Zildjian ZBT crash cymbals are the bottom of the line cymbals if you want a big company name....but whatever you do...DO NOT buy pulse cymbals[/QUOTE]WTF!?! B8 are worse than B8 pro, well imo anyways.[QUOTE]Can someone recomend a big cymbal that will work well as a beat keeper[/QUOTE]Wats ur style of playing wat r u looking fpr in a cymbal? is it a ride, crash, a crash ride or even a china????

[QUOTE=Trècool42]Sabian B8 and Zildjian ZXT/ZXT rock are the best beginner crashes for your price range..be sure not to mix up B8 and B8pro (B8 pro is actually worse sounding than B8) i wouldnt recommend them, but Zildjian ZBT crash cymbals are the bottom of the line cymbals if you want a big company name....but whatever you do...DO NOT buy pulse cymbals[/QUOTE]


WHAT!?!?!?!?!?! Dude the b8 pro chinas freakin own. i will soon own one becuase all ive done is play it and its freakin baaad.

Quick, would you rather use Zildjian New Beats or Mastersounds?

My band plays alot of Green Day but we're writing our own stuff to. I've heard the new beats but never had a chance to try the mastersounds

new beats man...i havent met a person that hasnt at least complimented the new beats to some degree.

sounds good, thanks man

imo and in my drummer friends' opinions, B8 pro sucks

Ok, first of all does anyone know if paiste pst 5 hi-hats are any good for rock/punk/ska and if so what is the main difference between the 13" and 14" besides size? Second of all, I've been having trouble finding a ride that I really like, what would you suggest, and i'd like it to be under or around $150.

[QUOTE=skadrummer411] the 13" and 14" besides size? [/QUOTE]

13" will sound "tighter" with more stick definition and the 14" will sound more washy

[QUOTE]13" will sound "tighter" with more stick definition and the 14" will sound more washy[/QUOTE]

In that case I'll get the 13's, but that won't make them any less loud would it?

[QUOTE=skadrummer411]In that case I'll get the 13's, but that won't make them any less loud would it?[/QUOTE]

slightly

[QUOTE=Der Meister]13" will sound "tighter" with more stick definition and the 14" will sound more washy[/QUOTE]

I'd also say that 14"'s are usually "chunkier" sounding, although that's not to say 13"'s can't be chunky, but that 14"'s are generally chunkier. 13"'s are also usually higher in pitch than 14"'s, but that will vary from series to series.

[quote]In that case I'll get the 13's, but that won't make them any less loud would it?[/quote]

actually, the 13's should sound a bit louder.

I think volume is more to do with the bell isn't it?

I always thought larger bell = louder. Or does the larger bell just raise the pitch?

I think its the metal that changes the pitch, and maybe the thickness and density too.

the alloy from which it is made is obviously one of the main tonal changers, also the thickness would matter. but most of all the size would make a big difference in the pitch of the cymbal. also the lathing would make a diff.

Yeah come to think of it, lathing and hammering makes a huge difference.

[QUOTE=Der Meister]I always thought larger bell = louder. Or does the larger bell just raise the pitch?[/QUOTE]

Larger the bell, the greater the volume, all other things being equal. Or so I thought.

I thought I remembered reading about this on the Zildjian website.
[quote=Zildjian.com]Bell
All other factors being equal, the bell or cup size determines the amount of overtones or ring projected by a cymbal. A larger bell produces more overtones and a longer full-bodied sound. A smaller bell reduces ring and sustain and provides a more defined stick sound for riding.

Profile
Degree of curvature from the cup to the edge. The profile or "bow" of a cymbal affects its pitch and overtones. Higher profile cymbals will be higher in pitch and have fewer overtones. Flatter profile cymbals will be lower in pitch and have more overtones.

Taper
Degree to which the cymbal changes in thickness from cup to the edge. The design of the taper will contribute to the amount of Crash-like of Ride-like qualities in the cymbal.[/quote]
Source:
[url]http://www.zildjian.com/EN-US/zildjianu/101_cymbal.ad2[/url]

This just in:
14" Zildjian New Beat hats kick major ***

That is all

[QUOTE=British Boy]I think volume is more to do with the bell isn't it?[/QUOTE]

partly. but where your talking hats, a 13" pairing of the same model would genneraly sound sharper and louder than the 14" Sibiling. weather or not becibel wise they are louder or not, who cares...they SEEM louder due to the higher pitch.

[quote]I always thought larger bell = louder. Or does the larger bell just raise the pitch?[/quote]

bell size affects volume and overtones. a crash that is identical in all ways (save for the bell) should be louder if the bell was bigger, but tighter sounding if it was smaller.

[quote]I think its the metal that changes the pitch, and maybe the thickness and density too.[/quote]

yep. your right. a thicker cymbal will be louder (and brighter) than an equal one that is thinner

[quote]also the lathing would make a diff.[/quote]

probably not as much as you'd think....wider lathings would be a more wide open sound, tighter lathings would yeild a more focused sound...hence why the AAX's seem to respond better under lower volumes than say, a matching AA model.

bell size also determines how cutting it is along with thickness. A cymbal with a bigger bell will be more agressive.

Q: i would like a ride cymbal, probably 20" but i am in New Zealand where cymbal prices are quite high, i would also like the ride to be reasonably priced, and quite versatile, i am not too fussed about brands, but sabian zildjian and paiste are definantly the easiest rides to get your hands on

[QUOTE=mprules]Q: i would like a ride cymbal, probably 20" but i am in New Zealand where cymbal prices are quite high, i would also like the ride to be reasonably priced, and quite versatile, i am not too fussed about brands, but sabian zildjian and paiste are definantly the easiest rides to get your hands on[/QUOTE]

Well, this one is pretty expensive, but I reccomend the Sabian HH Raw Bell dry ride. Amazing.

yeah a raw bell dry ride would work pretty well. either that or some kind of zildjian A series, they are always very versatile.

[QUOTE=TheMightyTrym]Well, this one is pretty expensive, but I reccomend the Sabian HH Raw Bell dry ride. Amazing.[/QUOTE]

/agrees

Partly 'cause I have it, but mostly 'cause it rocks. :p

i'd say if you can find an AA ride of some sort, you'll have a leg up on things. they should be priced in the middle somewhere.

I'm currently playing 14" New Beats, 18" A Custom crash, and a 21" Sweet Ride.
I like the New Beats a lot, but I feel like they're too heavy and cumbersome sometimes. I'm looking for a pair of hats that are a little more responsive and articulate with a very smooth open sound and a solid chick. I'm not looking for a specific price range or brand, just curious if I can find all those qualities in a pair of hats. Thanks in advance to anyone who can help.