Cradle of Filth is (/me coins a term) neo-symphonic *poser* black metal.
They should be in no way associated with the greater, previous symphonic black metal bands.

So any NEW metalish music that is realesed falls under Nu-metal.

No need for any other types of metal guys! All music these days falls under "Nu-Metal!"

....

OR NOT.

Place system of a down and slipknot into the other types and P.O.D and Linkinpark can **** off as they are not metal anyway.

Unless we want all the latest music in one type! Wowza that sounds like fun!

we need more black metal by the greatest:burzum,emperor ya know...we don't need anymore punk-*** nu metal bands like slipknot.why don't they go back to iowa and eat corn...

Why dont Cradle of Filth and Emperor become one band - then sell some albums to 14yo's.

[QUOTE=Dark_Luke]So any NEW metalish music that is realesed falls under Nu-metal.

No need for any other types of metal guys! All music these days falls under "Nu-Metal!"

....

OR NOT.

Place system of a down and slipknot into the other types and P.O.D and Linkinpark can **** off as they are not metal anyway.

Unless we want all the latest music in one type! Wowza that sounds like fun![/QUOTE]


Not all new bands fall under Nu-metal. System of a down and Slipknot have many numetal traits and barely any traits under any other genre. Thus they are nu-metal.

[QUOTE=KingofDudes]Not all new bands fall under Nu-metal. System of a down and Slipknot have many numetal traits and barely any traits under any other genre. Thus they are nu-metal.[/QUOTE]
Traits with metal bands they may share, though I'd say they have more in common with punk, but mallcore is based on none of the songwriting ideal of metal.

Great description, but what separates traditional heavy metal bands like Led Zep & Deep Purple from rock like Queen, Thin Lizzy, etc. They're quite similar and not exactly heavy.

[QUOTE=bobthenamelesswonder]Great description, but what separates traditional heavy metal bands like Led Zep & Deep Purple from rock like Queen, Thin Lizzy, etc. They're quite similar and not exactly heavy.[/QUOTE]
Listen to Deep Purple's "Fireball" (the song). It's a lot more riff-orientated (as are Sabbath and Priest), compared to most of their other (at least early 70s) songs, or those other bands you mentioned. A lot heavier than some "Heretic Anthem" or "Numb" in that aspect.

Led Zeppelin is not much heavier than Queen. Though I'd say Communication Breakdown is at least proto-heavy metal - can anyone contribute some opinion to this?

btw system of a down is nothing but a bunch of pu**y *** punk/funk/pansy wierd rock
band that should never have existed.
Cradle of filth is far truer to black and goth metal than half the wannabes out there now (ie, the agony scene, dimmu, etc).
pod is a stupid *** rap rock band (or they think they are) and doesnt deserve to even be called numetal.

haha... so opinionated... so angry... humours me...

. are you trying to stir up an argument over this?? cause i can guarintee its been done before.

all music is music.... for the most part... and jeez, if soad want to sound like they do? let them... if p.o.d wanna sound like they do? let them... bottom line? dont hate. :thumb:

[QUOTE=atreyu_breakingbenjamin]
Cradle of filth is far truer to black and goth metal than half the wannabes out there now (ie, the agony scene, dimmu, etc).
[/QUOTE]

Cradle of Filth are at least as "untrue" as Dimmu Borgir, especially if rumours about the new album are to be believed.

People who call Cradle of Filth black metal don't listen to black metal. 10 Seconds of Burzum would make them cry.

true

[QUOTE=Bartender]Somewhere later in the thread. Use the search option.[/QUOTE]

That reminds me, myself and others are having problems with the Search function. It sits there for a while then tells us a fatal error occurred.

Anyway, the power metal definition is pretty deeply buried. If no one minds, I'd like to post my own definition here.

[U]Power Metal[/U]

Power Metal was largely inspired by the works of Iron Maiden and Ronnie James Dio. Helloween is often given credit for defining the genre as we know it today. Power metal is often scorned and laughed at by outsiders due to the over-the-top lyrics and high fantasy imagery. The music itself is typically defined by a driving rhythm section, usually featuring a lot of double bass drumming, and a tight sense of melody, thus requiring a high degree of technical skill and musicianship. The vocalists tend to be very diverse and it is difficult to find unifying themes across the genre, though a singer with a very strong, epic-sounding voice is common. The lyrical content of power metal often has high fantasy or sword & sorcery themes. Many power metal bands are known for an over-the-top stage presence. A prime example of which is Manowar, who have on two separate occassions broken the records as "The World's Loudest Band."

Notable Bands: Hammerfall, Blind Guardian, Helloween, Manowar, Nightwish, Rhapsody, (arguably) Iced Earth, Dragonforce


I hope that covers it.

EDIT: Corrected a rather embarassing factual error.

nightwish is not power metal it's symphonic metal... and Iced Earth is heavy metal

Nightwish is debatable, I guess. And I already said Iced Earth is arguable. They don't neatly fit into one genre like other bands do. I consider both bands power metal for the ambience and feel of the music.

Iced Earth is arguable cus it's pretty much something between power and heavy

I'd agree Iced Earth is debatable (always struck me as a thrash/power hybrid), but I thought Nightwish was fairly clear-cut symphonic metal.

Well, if you want I'll just edit the post. I've always considered Nightwish power metal, but given how volatile some personalities around here can get, I'd rather not spark another controversy. I swear the number of posts in this thread arguing about whether or not certain bands are nu-metal or not number into the triple digits.

I don't care that much :) Just dropped in my opinion.

cool reasearch

[QUOTE=RivFader]Iced Earth is arguable cus it's pretty much something between power and heavy[/QUOTE]

there is sooooo much more emphasis on thrash metal than power metal in that group.

[QUOTE=sickgoregrind]People who call Cradle of Filth black metal don't listen to black metal. 10 Seconds of Burzum would make them cry.[/QUOTE]

COF have stated several times in the past few years "we have not been playing "black metal" since around 1994...dont call us that" yet people tend to blame the band.

How can you put system of a down in a genre? they combine elements of all sections of rock...... except maybe prog rock! i dont think they are Nu metal! how can you compare them to the likes of Papa Roach?!

Apart from thata good, sound list.

I agree with you on metallica... there new stuff is really dissapointing.

[QUOTE=FrailandBedazzled1979]COF have stated several times in the past few years "we have not been playing "black metal" since around 1994...dont call us that" yet people tend to blame the band.[/QUOTE]
THANK YOU thats what ive been trying to say on other threads

[QUOTE=jameschez]How can you put system of a down in a genre? they combine elements of all sections of rock...... except maybe prog rock! i dont think they are Nu metal! how can you compare them to the likes of Papa Roach?!

Apart from thata good, sound list.

I agree with you on metallica... there new stuff is really dissapointing.[/QUOTE]

Prog rock?!?! Do you even know what prog rock is?

[QUOTE=Imperial Necro]Well some may think that Cannibal Corpse shouldn't be grouped with Pantera.

However, they are both still metal, aren't they?

So shut the fu[SIZE=2]c[/SIZE]k up.[/QUOTE]


hey, linkin park is not metal at all. there is no way they can be classified with slipknot, no matter what kind of metal you think slipknot is. Linkin Park doesnt not even fit into any metal genre. So you can shut the **** up.

[QUOTE=Steerpike]Well, if you want I'll just edit the post. I've always considered Nightwish power metal, but given how volatile some personalities around here can get, I'd rather not spark another controversy. I swear the number of posts in this thread arguing about whether or not certain bands are nu-metal or not number into the triple digits.[/QUOTE]

I agree totally with calling Nightwish power metal. They just have a keyboard player with an interest in romantic/classical music, and an unusual vocalist. It sets them apart, but doesn't stop them being power metal.

Has anyone mentioned Liquid Metal? But the only band with that style of music that I know of is Tool, so that's probably why.

why the **** do you have to create new stupid sounding sub-genres in order to fit some certain groups under the label "metal"? Surprisingly I respect tool more that other "alternative" acts but for gods sake what makes them metal?