it's spelt shi'ite i believe.

but anyway, it doesn't matter. many americans oppose the war. many people worldwide oppose the war. AND it's the right thing, opposing war. so you tell me why anybody thinks that war was the right decision. bush just put himself and his chums in the seat of power, as opposed to saddam and his cronies. i see no change, no difference, sure bush hasn't committed atrocities, except that prison thing, but if he says he doesn't know about it, then obviously he's not responsible for the decisions of HIS OWN administration.

hahaha it's quite funny. he was laughing for no reason then got a killer headache

now i'm watching him smoke coffee

[QUOTE=Joey Hoser]What's popular is not always right but what the majority wants is what the majority gets. In a democracy that is. How is listening to what the people of the nation want worse than doing what you want dispite the fact that it's against the wishes of the people you are susposed to represent? That's what sounds wrong to me.

Iraq is so ****ed whether the US leaves now or later. If they leave now, there will be a power struggle between the Sunni and Shiat(sp?) groups when one gains power and a bloody civil war will insue causing what will most likely be millions of deaths, on top of the over 11,000 dead CIVILIANS already caused by Bush.

Or, the US can stay and keep military occupation and a puppet government, which will only piss off the Iraqi's and rest of the muslim world even more which will create more terrorism for the middle east and America itself.[/QUOTE]


hate to break it to ya but an overwhelming majority of iraqi people love the fact that we are there. because they are safe. only a handful of radicals actually opposes us there. and what makes you think if we are killing off terrorists, that would mean there are more of them? please explain your reasoning for that.

He won't let me see

awwwww. why not?

[QUOTE=superbassperson17]hate to break it to ya but an overwhelming majority of iraqi people love the fact that we are there. because they are safe. only a handful of radicals actually opposes us there. and what makes you think if we are killing off terrorists, that would mean there are more of them? please explain your reasoning for that.[/QUOTE]


you talk and talk yet have no information of facts to back it up.

[QUOTE=superbassperson17]hate to break it to ya but an overwhelming majority of iraqi people love the fact that we are there. because they are safe. only a handful of radicals actually opposes us there. and what makes you think if we are killing off terrorists, that would mean there are more of them? please explain your reasoning for that.[/QUOTE]


I can't argue that they don't want the US there, for the same reason you can't argue that they do. You don't know, and neither do I.


Because terrorism is an idea that can't be fought with guns and bombs. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter and these terrorists are fighting for freedom from what they see as American imperialism. You see them as terrorists, and many people of the muslim nations see them as freedom fighters. Killing their freedom fighters will piss them off, no?

Killing a terrorist doesn't stop terrorism, it just makes terrorists out of the sons and cousins of the terrorist you killed.

[QUOTE=cheeser1]it's spelt shi'ite i believe.

but anyway, it doesn't matter. many americans oppose the war. many people worldwide oppose the war. AND it's the right thing, opposing war. so you tell me why anybody thinks that war was the right decision. bush just put himself and his chums in the seat of power, as opposed to saddam and his cronies. i see no change, no difference, sure bush hasn't committed atrocities, except that prison thing, but if he says he doesn't know about it, then obviously he's not responsible for the decisions of HIS OWN administration.[/QUOTE]

please tell me what is so wrong about going to war to free the iraqi people from an evil tyrant. the change in the lifestyle of the iraqi people is huge. there happy, and they are free to live their lives the way they see fit. not under the rule of a dictator. tell me how that's wrong, going to war, losing a very minimal amount of soldiers, and freeing the iraqi people. id sacrifice a couple people for the good of the many.

[QUOTE=superbassperson17]please tell me what is so wrong about going to war to free the iraqi people from an evil tyrant. the change in the lifestyle of the iraqi people is huge. there happy, and they are free to live their lives the way they see fit. not under the rule of a dictator. tell me how that's wrong, going to war, losing a very minimal amount of soldiers, and freeing the iraqi people. id sacrifice a couple people for the good of the many.[/QUOTE]


There is nothing wrong with freeing the people from an evil tyrant like Saddam. But there is something wrong with doing carelessly, without the support of the UN or pretty much anyone else on the planet for that matter, for personal profit for you and all your bench buddies.

Some people like to put the 11,000 innocent civilian's lives that were lost into consideration as well as the < 1000 American troops.

i like men

yes yes, we know.

[QUOTE=Joey Hoser]I can't argue that they don't want the US there, for the same reason you can't argue that they do. You don't know, and neither do I.


Because terrorism is an idea that can't be fought with guns and bombs. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter and these terrorists are fighting for freedom from what they see as American imperialism. You see them as terrorists, and many people of the muslim nations see them as freedom fighters. Killing their freedom fighters will piss them off, no?

Killing a terrorist doesn't stop terrorism, it just makes terrorists out of the sons and cousins of the terrorist you killed.[/QUOTE]

i can argue that they do because i have a cousin in iraq. i talk to him all the time and we are good friends. he says all of the iraqi people there except a few radicals love the fact that they're there. and about that terrorist thing a dead terrorist can't have kids. sure they can before they die but their sons and cousins would become terrorists anyways. so that's one less terrorist.

a good night to all, and to all a good night :smoke:

night nighty

[QUOTE=superbassperson17]i can argue that they do because i have a cousin in iraq. i talk to him all the time and we are good friends. he says all of the iraqi people there except a few radicals love the fact that they're there. and about that terrorist thing a dead terrorist can't have kids. sure they can before they die but their sons and cousins would become terrorists anyways. so that's one less terrorist.[/QUOTE]

My cousin is im the army and he says the same thing . But we dont get any of the good news back here becuase the liberal media hates bush and all republicans

:wave:

[QUOTE=Joey Hoser]There is nothing wrong with freeing the people from an evil tyrant like Saddam. But there is something wrong with doing carelessly, without the support of the UN or pretty much anyone else on the planet for that matter, for personal profit for you and all your bench buddies.

Some people like to put the 11,000 innocent civilian's lives that were lost into consideration as well as the < 1000 American troops.[/QUOTE]

first of all we aren't alone in this war we had a lot of supportive allys, brittan, poland, australia.... bush isn't profiting from this he did it because it was the right thing to do. let me ask you a question, if you lived in iraq would you be happier if you diddn't lose a innocent civilian as a cousin or would you be happier without that cousin and be free?

[QUOTE=superbassperson17]first of all we aren't alone in this war we had a lot of supportive allys, brittan, poland, australia.... bush isn't profiting from this he did it because it was the right thing to do. let me ask you a question, if you lived in iraq would you be happier if you diddn't lose a innocent civilian as a cousin or would you be happier without that cousin and be free?[/QUOTE]


Finally some smart newbies , your awesome dude

The World Series of Poker is on tv, nothing better to do so I'm watching that.

[QUOTE=superbassperson17]i can argue that they do because i have a cousin in iraq. i talk to him all the time and we are good friends. he says all of the iraqi people there except a few radicals love the fact that they're there.[/quote]


So your cousin has been all over Iraq questioning a large enough portion of the population about their happiness with the US occupation? I highly doubt he's talked to enough people to get an accurate idea of what the entire nation feels about it.


[quote]and about that terrorist thing a dead terrorist can't have kids. sure they can before they die but their sons and cousins would become terrorists anyways. so that's one less terrorist.[/QUOTE]


How do you know they would have been terrorists? Killing their family would make it much more likely don't you think? Don't you think listening to what their problem is and trying to help them hate you less would be more effective? Or are you one of those idiots who think they hate America because they are jealous?

i envy those guys, they spend their whole lives gambling.

I gotta book... I'll be back later tonight and respond to everything you guys say after this...

[QUOTE=SKA_GUITARist]My cousin is im the army and he says the same thing . But we dont get any of the good news back here becuase the liberal media hates bush and all republicans[/QUOTE]


finally some one else that speaks the truth!! :thumb:

[QUOTE=Sk8SkaNJ]The World Series of Poker is on tv, nothing better to do so I'm watching that.[/QUOTE]

I've watched that like 5 times in a row once. It was tight

[QUOTE=Joey Hoser]So your cousin has been all over Iraq questioning a large enough portion of the population about their happiness with the US occupation? I highly doubt he's talked to enough people to get an accurate idea of what the entire nation feels about it.





How do you know they would have been terrorists? Killing their family would make it much more likely don't you think? Don't you think listening to what their problem is and trying to help them hate you less would be more effective? Or are you one of those idiots who think they hate America because they are jealous?[/QUOTE]


he dosent have to question the population he's had women and men and children come up to him and hug him because they are so happy about what the american people have done for them. i know they would have been terrorists because terrorists raise terrorists, liberals raise liberals, and conservatives raise conservatives. duh. their problem is that we are there. they have been pre programmed to hate us with the upmost intensity the only thing that would make them happy is if we were all dead.

[QUOTE=superbassperson17]he dosent have to question the population he's had women and men and children come up to him and hug him because they are so happy about what the american people have done for them. i know they would have been terrorists because terrorists raise terrorists, liberals raise liberals, and conservatives raise conservatives. duh. their problem is that we are there. they have been pre programmed to hate us with the upmost intensity the only thing that would make them happy is if we were all dead.[/QUOTE]

geez THIS GUY IS GOOOD!!!!!!!!!!!

[QUOTE=superbassperson17]i think you should take your own advice and eat **** and die!, kerry is for gay marriage, you are a bigot, and gays shouldn't have rights, they should be stripped of their title as humans and be demoted to cheeser's.

[SIZE=5][SIZE=3][B]VOTE BUSH!!!!!!!!!!![/B][/SIZE][/SIZE][/QUOTE]

Do you have any idea how ignorant you sound? No wait, that was wrong.

Do you have any idea how ignorant you [I]are[/I]?

[QUOTE=Joey Hoser]I gotta book... I'll be back later tonight and respond to everything you guys say after this...[/QUOTE]

i'm sure you do have to go. probably because your losing badly. but whatever. i'd like to hear your opinion later even if it is wrong. i still can't believe anyone in their right minds would vote for kerry. come on!!! anyways ill be back later.

[QUOTE=imnotyourcrackwhore]Do you have any idea how ignorant you sound? No wait, that was wrong.

Do you have any idea how ignorant you [I]are[/I]?[/QUOTE]


No its not ignorant its arrogant and thats just plain cool

[QUOTE=imnotyourcrackwhore]Do you have any idea how ignorant you sound? No wait, that was wrong.

Do you have any idea how ignorant you [I]are[/I]?[/QUOTE]


well then do you and the cheeze man have any idea how ignorant you sound? no wait, that was wrong. do you have any idea how ignorant you and the cheeze are?!?!?!?

but whatever i have to go cook dinner for the family tonight and we are bbq'ing. yeah!

[QUOTE=superbassperson17]hate to break it to ya but an overwhelming majority of iraqi people love the fact that we are there. because they are safe. only a handful of radicals actually opposes us there. and what makes you think if we are killing off terrorists, that would mean there are more of them? please explain your reasoning for that.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=superbassperson17]he dosent have to question the population he's had women and men and children come up to him and hug him because they are so happy about what the american people have done for them. i know they would have been terrorists because terrorists raise terrorists, liberals raise liberals, and conservatives raise conservatives. duh. their problem is that we are there. they have been pre programmed to hate us with the upmost intensity the only thing that would make them happy is if we were all dead.[/QUOTE]
you're an idiot. that's just what they tell you. and your cousin in iraq, that's just what they tell him.
they herd up iraqis that are supportive, and then do photo-ops. remember when the statue fell? did you see the news? the giant crowd? if you had zoomed those cameras out a little bit, you'd have seen that there were VERY few people there, and by manipulating the way the scene was shot, they made it look like there were hundreds upon thousands of people there.


just a little bit to BACK UP what i say, in case you think that's unnecessary, as it seems you do.
[url]http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/002180.html[/url]
[url]http://www.radioleft.com/mod/userpage/images/Saddam%20Statue.jpg[/url]
[url]http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/images/SQ3.gif[/url]
[url]http://www.ananova.com/images/web/49843.jpg[/url]

[QUOTE=superbassperson17]please tell me what is so wrong about going to war to free the iraqi people from an evil tyrant. the change in the lifestyle of the iraqi people is huge. there happy, and they are free to live their lives the way they see fit. not under the rule of a dictator. tell me how that's wrong, going to war, losing a very minimal amount of soldiers, and freeing the iraqi people. id sacrifice a couple people for the good of the many.[/QUOTE]
MINIMAL?? if we didn't go to war, we'd have lost ZERO. zero is minimal. idiot.
[QUOTE=superbassperson17]well then do you and the cheeze man have any idea how ignorant you sound? no wait, that was wrong. do you have any idea how ignorant you and the cheeze are?!?!?!?

but whatever i have to go cook dinner for the family tonight and we are bbq'ing. yeah![/QUOTE]
ignorant? of what, the facts? give us ONE fact, ONE source, to back up your claims. every single one of us disagrees with you. you ever think that MIGHT just MAYBE mean that you could POSSIBLY be wrong? (and if you say bill o'reilly, i'm going to die laughing)

[QUOTE=superbassperson17]well then do you and the cheeze man have any idea how ignorant you sound? no wait, that was wrong. do you have any idea how ignorant you and the cheeze are?!?!?!?

but whatever i have to go cook dinner for the family tonight and we are bbq'ing. yeah![/QUOTE]

My problem is, you are being a homophobe. That displays weakness in accepting diversity. Otherwise, I wouldn't have said anything because I respect your opinion on everything else and I can accept that I share a different opinion than you...but dissing homosexuals just isn't cool.

Haha adam junkie did it for me.

I just came up with a cool metal riff, someone start a metalcore band with me.

i will, i play the kazoo

i will play the flute

[QUOTE=cheeser1]you're an idiot. that's just what they tell you. and your cousin in iraq, that's just what they tell him.
they herd up iraqis that are supportive, and then do photo-ops. remember when the statue fell? did you see the news? the giant crowd? if you had zoomed those cameras out a little bit, you'd have seen that there were VERY few people there, and by manipulating the way the scene was shot, they made it look like there were hundreds upon thousands of people there.just a little bit to BACK UP what i say, in case you think that's unnecessary, as it seems you do.
[url]http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/002180.html[/url]
[url]http://www.radioleft.com/mod/userpage/images/Saddam%20Statue.jpg[/url]
[url]http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/images/SQ3.gif[/url]
[url]http://www.ananova.com/images/web/49843.jpg[/url]ignorant? of what, the facts? give us ONE fact, ONE source, to back up your claims. every single one of us disagrees with you. you ever think that MIGHT just MAYBE mean that you could POSSIBLY be wrong? (and if you say bill o'reilly, i'm going to die laughing)[/QUOTE]

they dont tell my cousin anything like that. they dont herd up iraqi's. and the media is extremely slanted democratically they probably herded supportive iraqi's away from the statue.

i don't have any websites to back it up and i dont have to go to your slanted websites to know what they say. they could be just as bad as the sources i give you.

if we diddn't go to war, the iraqi's would have lost many more innocent civillians then soldiers that we did lose. idiot.

every single one of you disagrees with me because it's popular in punk music to be democratic. you are the ones being mislead. most of you are followers. at least i made up my own mind on who i chose. for even a little bit of truth watch anything on fox news. especially bill o'reilly or greta. ha ha ha.

since when did le bebe have a beard?

[QUOTE=Sherpa]You better care who you vote for, unless you want your *** in the army thanks to this bill

[url]http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:HR00163:@@@L&summ2=m&[/url]

"Universal National Service Act of 2003 - Declares that it is the obligation of every U.S. citizen, and every other person residing in the United States, between the ages of 18 and 26 to perform a two-year period of national service, unless exempted, either as a member of an active or reserve component of the armed forces or in a civilian capacity that promotes national defense. Requires induction into national service by the President. Sets forth provisions governing: (1) induction deferments, postponements, and exemptions, including exemption of a conscientious objector from military service that includes combatant training; and (2) discharge following national service"

You wont be able to get out of it for school, and it is much harder to be a conscientious objector.[/QUOTE]

you know, Canada is looking real good right now...
ahem...'Oh Canada...Our home and native land...'