[QUOTE=IheartSP]How about black metal, that's all about non real concepts, same with most melodic death, heavy metal, regular death most of the time (like nile and behemoth, not cannibal corpse, who I think are very punkish in attitude), and almost all metal really.[/QUOTE]
Black Metal is about hatred. That is very real.

Nile and Behemoth?!? I have no idea where you got that from.

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]Oh wow...

Black metal not about real concepts? What about religion and destruction? Death metal bands who focus on violence? Traditional metal bands who go political? Melodic death bands who center on emotion and relationships?

All metal is based on real concepts.[/QUOTE]
They take concepts like religion and destruction and make them totally unlike real life. You're thinking of this too literally. I don't think you make sacrifices and kill christians everyday, while you may pray or demote religion. Political metal bands also take things out of that everyday life context by putting you right into the middle of the political crossfire. The melodic death about relationships is something I do agree isn't very metal but they seem to work it in a way most of the time that it is very emotional and make you see from their eyes.

[QUOTE=Apocalyptic Raids]Black Metal is about hatred. That is very real.

Nile and Behemoth?!? I have no idea where you got that from.[/QUOTE]
I said Nile and Behemoth [I]are[/I] metal in attitude while cannibal corpse is [I]not[/I].

[QUOTE=IheartSP]They take concepts like religion and destruction and make them totally unlike real life. You're thinking of this too literally. I don't think you make sacrifices and kill christians everyday, while you may pray or demote religion. Political metal bands also take things out of that everyday life context by putting you right into the middle of the political crossfire. The melodic death about relationships is something I do agree isn't very metal but they seem to work it in a way most of the time that it is very emotional and make you see from their eyes.[/QUOTE]
I agree with the melodic death, but you forget that black metal bands actually back up their words with action.

But they do portray it in a very fantastical way.

To say melodic death metal is not badass is to say that Black Metal photo shoots aren't ridiculous. There will be few who think that melo-death is soft and tender music, and think that black metal pictures are very evil. There will be more who think melo-death is intellectual and musical, and think that Black Metal pictures are ridiculous.

I am one of the latter few.

Arsis - Seven Whispers Fell Silent
Seven whispers silent
On scathing winds the seven whistlers tune
Seven cries, blinded eyes
Bade the choke on the night
Beneath the stare of a cold and blood-dimmed moon

Alaster, avenging one
Guide my path
Live in me, exist to be
The festering wounds upon the savior's wrists
Calculating the murderous plot for the dozen to fall


If that is not metal then I don't know what is.

Arsis is pure melodic sex!

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]Arsis is pure melodic sex![/QUOTE]

Amen, brother.

EDIT: Arsis - The Sadistic Motives Behind Bereavement Letters

I'm so sorry to hear of your bitter loss
I know my words can only offer but so much comfort for you
Just know that I am here to ease your lonely feelings
To fill this time of grieving and remind you it's your fault

It's your fault for not caring
It's your fault for not knowing that he'd try again
And again, these words can only offer
But so much comfort for you

Seems pretty damn real to me.

Conflict, terror, hear the noise
You're in the edge of a nerve-racking force
Oh my god, here's a fight
Never siege, never riot, must defy

When you look at me, what do you see
Another trophy like a ****in dead beat
Close your eyes, take a step inside
Guess what I took your life/step back uncover your eyes
Insanity and normality (is/its) not What you call reality
What you will, always want
It was the day that you should die

I dont give a flying **** mother****er
I dont give a flying **** mother****er
I dont give a flying
I dont give a flying
I dont give a flying ****!

'll never wait for the pain of death
With a bullet in my gun dont **** over my ****
Can you hold my crazy as I go
So **** hypocrisy and **** you too


This is the difference between bands liek Arsis who may talk about real life concepts and Bodom. The Arsis lyrics were very metal and many people will tell you those Bodom lyrics are certainly not even close.

The whole album isn't like that though I wouldn't go as far as saying that

The slaying at Bodom from so long ago
Still carry a secret, of which nobody knows
A seed that was planted as the night turned to dawn
Will now bring me to life as the reaper's spawn
I'm a bastards of Bodom and I walk alon
As I follow the reaper, to lead me back home
My victims shall perish on the shores of this lake
As they look upon me, to stare death in the face

I don't need a reason, and I won't tell you why
I'll just take you to hell by the edge of my scythe!
I was born to end life, I can take any form
A shapeshifting demon, killing for sport
Like father, like son, this is my fate
Taking your lives and breeding the hate!

I don't need a reason, and I won't tell you why
I'll just take you to hell by the edge of my scythe!

Now that is certainly very metal.

The In Your Face lyrics don't seem punk to me either.

They seem extremely punk to me, the entire goal is to say I'm rebelling and you can't control me, that is one of the most punk concepts there is.

Punk to me would be "f[SIZE=2]u[/SIZE]ck the goverment, anarchy is the way to go". Besides, metal is about the music. Alexi says himself that he's a terrible lyricist, and I certainly don't listen to them because I like his lyrics. As long as the music stays metal, which it is, they'll be a metal band.

[QUOTE=IheartSP]They seem extremely punk to me, the entire goal is to say I'm rebelling and you can't control me, that is one of the most punk concepts there is.[/QUOTE]

First metal band - Black Sabbath (to my knowledge). Debut hit North America in 1970, a few years earlier back in jolly ole' England. If Warpigs isn't a song about rebellion (against the government, too), then I'll be damned. Looks like punk was influenced by metal, not the other way around.

Rebellion and a general distaste for mainstream society is one of the core values in metal (and punk). However, metal introduced it first, and with much more musical prowess, to boot.

Not all punk is political you know.

It's not all about the lyrics either it's about the attitude, and Alexi has the same attitude with his music. He's always all like well this is what we make and were going to do it, it used to be much more about focusing on composition and melody, it was much more in touch with the classical roots.

[QUOTE=IheartSP]The Arsis lyrics were very metal and many people will tell you those Bodom lyrics are certainly not even close.[/QUOTE]
You seem to have this idea that Metal lyrics have to talk about fantasy, or at least talk about the theme in a fantasy style.

I don't think all the genres of metal have a common lyrical style. It differs alot.

[QUOTE=FuryInArt]First metal band - Black Sabbath (to my knowledge). Debut hit North America in 1970, a few years earlier back in jolly ole' England. If Warpigs isn't a song about rebellion (against the government, too), then I'll be damned. Looks like punk was influenced by metal, not the other way around.

Rebellion and a general distaste for mainstream society is one of the core values in metal (and punk). However, metal introduced it first, and with much more musical prowess, to boot.[/QUOTE]
I think we've had this discussion before, Sabbath was the first band to introduce metal but they werent the first 100% metal band, they were as much rock as they were metal. I think Maiden was the first band to be truley metal.

Sabbath sounds more metal to me than Maiden.

[QUOTE=IheartSP]I think we've had this discussion before, Sabbath was the first band to introduce metal but they werent the first 100% metal band, they were as much rock as they were metal. I think Maiden was the first band to be truley metal.[/QUOTE]

Iron Maiden - Run To The Hills

That's a song that gives a big, happy middle finger to the American government for exploiting and inditing Native American Indians. More rebellion against the government there.

[QUOTE=IheartSP]I think Maiden was the first band to be truley metal.[/QUOTE]
I have three words for you:

JUDAS F[size=2]U[/size]CKING PRIEST.

It's hard for anything to be "more metal than Maiden" seeing as they are, well cmon man it's frickin Maiden! I can see a lot of songs being as metal as Maiden, but Sweet Leaf, Fairies Where Boots, Paranoid, those are definately not as metal as Maiden.

[QUOTE=Apocalyptic Raids]I have three words for you:

JUDAS F[size=2]U[/size]CKING PRIEST.[/QUOTE]
I'm not familiar with anything before British Steel

Jacob Run to the Hills is also about 17th century Englishmen and Indians lol.

[QUOTE=IheartSP]It's hard for anything to be "more metal than Maiden" seeing as they are, well cmon man it's frickin Maiden! I can see a lot of songs being as metal as Maiden, but Sweet Leaf, Fairies Where Boots, Paranoid, those are definately not as metal as Maiden.[/QUOTE]
To me, Maiden is very far from the definition of metal that people make them out to be.

[QUOTE=IheartSP]I'm not familiar with anything before British Steel

Jacob Run to the Hills is also about 17th century Englishmen and Indians lol.[/QUOTE]
Well you should be, because Maiden owe everything to what Judas Priest did before [I]British Steel[/I].

I forgot your not a Maiden fan, I guess you'd have to be to understand the greatness of Maiden. I'm a pretty strong athiest and if I was to take up religion it'd be worshipping them.

AR I think I've heard the Ripper which is indeed a very metal song.

IHeartSP has been getting owned over the last 3 pages.

That's all I have to say.

[QUOTE=IheartSP]I forgot your not a Maiden fan, I guess you'd have to be to understand the greatness of Maiden. I'm a pretty strong athiest and if I was to take up religion it'd be worshipping them.

AR I think I've heard the Ripper which is indeed a very metal song.[/QUOTE]
Vice versa for Judas Preist.

This might have been posted earlier, but the AYDY? vid is on Scythes of Bodom... it's very disapointing.

it sucks

I can't describe how sick that video made me.

What the f[size=2]uc[/size]k happened? Oh wait. Trying to appease americans.

Nothing in that video had jack s[size=2]hi[/size]t to do with the song even.

Going back to Priest, they were around before Maiden, and you can hear some of their sound in Maiden.

[QUOTE=Shattered_Future]Going back to Priest, they were around before Maiden, and you can hear some of their sound in Maiden.[/QUOTE]


Priest > Maiden FTW

I like Maiden more.

I really liked the video. The shots of the band playing were awesome.

Seriously, I just watched the video. It's awesome. What's up with people?

I have no idea. Suddenly everyone thinks they know exactly what's going through their minds. The thing is hardly different from any of their other videos anyway.

Fuc[size=2]k[/size] Priest, long live Maiden. :p



Steve Harris is the man.

[QUOTE=Silenius]Fuc[size=2]k[/size] Priest, long live Maiden. :p



Steve Harris is the man.[/QUOTE]

Quoted for idiocy.

[QUOTE=Silenius]Fuc[size=2]k[/size] Priest, long live Maiden. :p



Steve Harris is the man.[/QUOTE]

Quoted for truth.

[QUOTE=I'm Charming]Quoted for idiocy.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=FuryInArt]Quoted for truth.[/QUOTE]
Quoted for conflict.