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Bazarov 07-26-2006 12:32 AM

Sodom are damn good. I remember around last year, they were talking about doing an American tour with Fintroll, boy was I stoked... and yeah, I think they only went on the East coast. Pwnt.

pate 07-26-2006 12:54 AM

Not just only on the East coast, but two dates!1! A travesty.

Apocalyptic Raids 07-26-2006 12:58 AM

[QUOTE]I've never been into surfing and boogey boarding. =/ I used to go to the beach a lot when I was younger though. Last time I was at the beach was to catch grunion... how damn lame.[/QUOTE]
I was, but I'm too lazy these days.

Sodom \m/

FatalEnergy 07-26-2006 01:38 AM

[QUOTE=Butcher]NP: Destruction - Bullets from Hell
Slayer should take lessons from Sodom, Kreator and Destruction on how to keep turning out good thrash.[/QUOTE]



Well, the last albums that have come out from eatch of those bands...have sadly been pretty weak in my opinon. Kreator = Gothenburg, Sodom = I just didn't like, it was not typical Sodom, Destruction = as much as I hate to say it, [I]Inventor of Evil[/I] was boring.

Destruction has been releasing good albums in the past few years though. Sodom had [I]M-16[/I] which I thought ruled. Kreator.....well...the first half of [I]Violent Revolution [/I]wasn't bad, the second half was Gothenburg.

Apocalyptic Raids 07-26-2006 03:42 AM

NEWSFLASH NEWSFLASH

Bret says a Destruction album is boring!

:D

Terrorzone 07-26-2006 08:18 PM

I am Listening to Christ Illusion. Its not as bad as expected(This may be due to Dave Lombardo.) Also, they still have that one solo they use in every song.
But on to more important things, the new Vader album is the best thing they have put out since De Profundis.

Poofy 666 07-26-2006 09:35 PM

[QUOTE=Stormrider331]:D

Uhh, I didn't borrow Darkness Descends the other day...I [B]should[/B] tonight :p[/QUOTE]
Yes.

Bazarov 07-26-2006 10:09 PM

[QUOTE=FatalEnergy]Well, the last albums that have come out from eatch of those bands...have sadly been pretty weak in my opinon. Kreator = Gothenburg, Sodom = I just didn't like, it was not typical Sodom, Destruction = as much as I hate to say it, [I]Inventor of Evil[/I] was boring.

Destruction has been releasing good albums in the past few years though. Sodom had [I]M-16[/I] which I thought ruled. Kreator.....well...the first half of [I]Violent Revolution [/I]wasn't bad, the second half was Gothenburg.[/QUOTE]
I haven't bothered getting the new Sodom CD, I was talking about M-16. Enemy of God has it's moments I still listen to it occassionally. All three of these bands I think though their newest stuff just blows Christ Illusion out of the water though.

pate 07-26-2006 10:10 PM

M-16 is a killer album.

Bazarov 07-26-2006 10:22 PM

[QUOTE=pate]M-16 is a killer album.[/QUOTE]
Yeah it's great. M-16 was what got me into Sodom. A buddy of mine was all, "You need these albums" and gave me In the Sign of Evil and M-16. I didn't like ItSoE very much when I first heard it, but I really, and still totally dig M-16.

pate 07-26-2006 10:22 PM

Don't you mean Sodom?

I like In the Sign of Evil, but I like every Sodom album.

Bazarov 07-26-2006 11:12 PM

[QUOTE=soleprobe]I noticed that the Hendrix post was closed....obviously because he's still just as much of a threat to the fat egos of today’s so called “guitarists” as he was when he was alive…and mostly a threat to the fat headed phony musician who closed that thread. Your crapy “music” will soon be taken away from you permanently you deaf and blind piece of decaying stench.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vsh7GxzxPSs&search=Jimi%20Hendrix%20machine%20gun[/url][/QUOTE]
What the hell is this guy bitching about?

[QUOTE=pate]Don't you mean Sodom?

I like In the Sign of Evil, but I like every Sodom album.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you weren't supposed to catch my ninja edit. :p I was totally thinking about Kreator when I was typing.

pate 07-26-2006 11:15 PM

Haha, I figured.

That guy is bitching/flooding in every thread.

jane 07-27-2006 04:44 AM

Megadeth :Rust in peice

Apocalyptic Raids 07-27-2006 05:26 AM

What about it?

jane 07-27-2006 05:28 AM

[QUOTE=Apocalyptic Raids]What about it?[/QUOTE]
Great album

Apocalyptic Raids 07-27-2006 05:30 AM

>:|

Mother 07-27-2006 05:53 AM

Are Anacrusis good??

Apocalyptic Raids 07-27-2006 08:53 AM

I used to have [I]Suffering Hour[/I] a long time ago, but I don't really remember how it was. You can download it off their website, anyway.

pate 07-27-2006 12:38 PM

Anacrusis is excellent. As I recall, it was like a better Anthrax.

Nepenthe 07-27-2006 12:55 PM

[I]A better Anthrax?!?![/I] Impossible!

Hep Kat 07-27-2006 01:01 PM

[QUOTE=Quorthonace][I]A better Anthrax?!?![/I] Impossible![/QUOTE]

Nah, it's possible.

FatalEnergy 07-27-2006 01:05 PM

The first album by them is okay, but nothing spectacular. Pretty boring to me in fact. After the first album they turned to crap.


NP: Nocturnus - Lake of Fire

Nepenthe 07-27-2006 01:08 PM

Spreading The Disease, Among The Living, and Persistence Of Time are masterpieces, I don't care what anyone says.

sensitiveorgan00 07-27-2006 01:10 PM

Anacrusis own hard. Their first album, at least.

REIGN OF TERROR...>TERROR! RAHH!!

pate 07-27-2006 02:27 PM

[QUOTE=Quorthonace]Spreading The Disease, Among The Living, and Persistence Of Time are masterpieces, I don't care what anyone says.[/QUOTE]

I know you don't care...but I agree with Spreading the Disease and Among being masterpieces. I would rank Persistsence lower. But overall, I would say Anacrusis > Anthrax, even though it's not quite fair, because Thrax has many more albums that Anacrusis. Bah.

Freezing Moon 07-27-2006 02:56 PM

I like the first Anacrusis album and then a few assorted songs from the others.

Apocalyptic Raids 07-27-2006 05:49 PM

Anthrax are alright, but there's better stuff out there.

np: Candlemass - The Well of Souls

Super Wotan 07-27-2006 05:53 PM

Laaz Rockit - Know Your Enemy is such a killer thrash album. I've only listened to like half of it and it's one of my favorites already.

Apocalyptic Raids 07-27-2006 05:57 PM

Yeah, it's really good. Insanely catchy.

Bazarov 07-27-2006 06:08 PM

FIRE IN THE HOLE!

I only have Annihilation Principle. It's pretty good. Even the cover of Holiday in Cambodia is good.

Freezing Moon 07-27-2006 08:42 PM

The Laaz Rockit I've heard is much more Speed than Thrash Metal. Still, quite good.

np: Dismember - Skin Her Alive

Super Wotan 07-27-2006 08:43 PM

Meh, i'm terrible at telling the two genres apart.

pate 07-27-2006 08:58 PM

I use "speed metal" to describe faster power metal, like early Blind Guardian, but apparently I'm in the minority.

Apocalyptic Raids 07-28-2006 02:02 AM

[QUOTE=Super Wotan]Meh, i'm terrible at telling the two genres apart.[/QUOTE]
[quote]If you want Speed Metal, just listen to Walls of Jericho, Heavy Metal Maniac, Gates To Purgatory, etc. A band like Running Wild or early Helloween epitomize Speed Metal, but some Venom and Motorhead, not to mention of course Exciter for example is Speed Metal as well. Judas Priest is mostly Heavy Metal but they have their Speed Metal moments, not just Painkiller, but a lot of songs have Speed Metal breaks and stuff. Early Slayer deserves mention too. Show No Mercy has plenty of Speed Metal and Thrash Metal on the album, and before that Slayer and songs like Ice Titan are about as Speed Metal as you can get.

An early song like 'Exciter' by Priest is a good example of pure Speed Metal. If you can't tell the difference between Exciter, Ace of Spades, Black Metal, Starlight and Heavy Metal like Children of the Grave, Into The Void, Saints In Hell, Number of the Beat, Am I Evil, or whatever you just don't get it.

Similarly, the above Speed Metal songs are pretty obviously different from Piranha, Burning of Sodom, Whiplash, Tornado of Souls, Angel of Death whatever. Between Speed and Thrash, the differences descripitively aren't that big, it's just that the riffs are styled a bit differently. Heavy Metal riffs and Speed Metal riffs might be pretty similar or they might not, but the tempo is the glaring difference and the riffs are never exactly the same though, they couldn't be if they are needed to coherently create speed. For Speed Metal, the riffs are faster, the music is faster, but it isn't in the Thrash way.

Having more melodic music all-around, especially the melodic solos, and non-shouting vocals are merely tendencies of Speed Metal, they are not essential or defining elements. They just work better with Speed Metal than do Thrash. But let me repeat they are not needed, Venom kills that example. Also I would call an early song like 'Symptom of the Universe' by Sabbath an example of mixing Thrash with melodic Heavy Metal. Metal Church had melodic Thrash as well at times. So it's not just a Speed Metal thing.

Also I don't mean to imply Speed Metal can't have some slower parts and tempo changes, of course it can(Helloween did it, especially for choruses), but the main riffs and the majority of the song has to be speed.

Megadeth are Thrash Metal. Just because Mustaine plays more solos, and has more melody and isn't on the extreme edge of Thrash doesn't mean it isn't Thrash. Where is the Speed Metal? I can see some of it on 'So Far So Good' but that's about it except for maybe some moments hear and there(Hangar 18 as well perhaps). Megadeth is Thrash. The riffs do not have very much resemblance to Ride The Sky, sorry they don't.

Early Metallica can cause a lot of confusion because Kill 'Em All is one album that is considered THE Thrash album but it's really got plenty of Speed Metal moments too. Metallica are the most confusing band actually.

Speed Metal even at its extreme does of course have some obvious similarities to classic Heavy Metal. Even 'pure Speed Metal' can be said to be just Heavy Metal as well. For that reason the arguement could be made that Speed Metal should just be lumped in with Heavy Metal(you could say the same for Power and even Doom Metal as well) and not be considered a sub-category of its own. In any case Speed Metal does have characteristics that seperate it from other Metal.[/quote]

I got that from a guy on Metal-Archives. That explains things well enough.

FatalEnergy 07-28-2006 02:07 AM

Megadeth seems to have quite a bit of Speed metal tunes. I'm not saying they aren't Thrash. They ARE predominatly a Thrash band, but Poison Was the Cure and My Last Words are definately Speed Metal.

NP: Eidolon - The Oath (Mercyful Fate Cover)

Apocalyptic Raids 07-28-2006 02:14 AM

Hangar 18 is definitely a Speed Metal song.

I wouldn't really ay My Last Words is though.

FatalEnergy 07-29-2006 09:59 PM

Why is this thread on the third page?

This thread gets close to really dying sometimes. Thrash news has been thin lately

Apocalyptic Raids 07-29-2006 10:00 PM

probably because all the old regulars are gone.

The thread has been much better in the past month, though.

FatalEnergy 07-29-2006 10:08 PM

That's true. Municipal Waste is coming to SF, I think might catch that show.


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