[QUOTE=atreyu_breakingbenjamin]^^^^Not a thick enough tone.......why do you think bands downtune in the first place?[/QUOTE]
You downtune mainly to fit the vocalists pitch range.
and black metal bands are certanly heavier than for example CoB. and black metal bands almost never tune down. edit: and if your just talkin about the tone and not the overall sound take a look at dimmu borgir, they have a thick tone with E standard.

Everything is a lot easier in E standard. Only, it doesnt sound as dark and evil i think. I usually tune in D standard.

You can get a heavy as hell tone in E standard. Tuning has nothing to do with it, it's all in the effects you use.

Opeth. 7 albums with E standard. Some of the heaviest and most evil riffs you'll ever hear.

[QUOTE=Shattered_Future]You can get a heavy as hell tone in E standard. Tuning has nothing to do with it, it's all in the effects you use.
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[QUOTE=Shattered_Future]Opeth. 7 albums with E standard. Some of the heaviest and most evil riffs you'll ever hear.[/QUOTE]
I beg to differ.

Great bands that play in E Standard (or down a half step):

Gorgoroth
Lord Belial
Opeth
Iced Earth
Without A Trace :p

Well, i never said E standard wasn't intense. If you tune in D standard though you can still go every note that E has, but you get that extra low kick as well with an open D.

I've always liked tuning to D standard. I wish my rhythm guitarist would stop being a bitch about tuning down a step ("it sounds like sh[size=2]i[/size]t!") and lose the Megadeth fanboyism because I'm interested in writing more in that tuning.

Kick his *** out of the band. I'll play rhythm for you guys.

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]Kick his *** out of the band. I'll play rhythm for you guys.[/QUOTE]

It's a long commute, comrade.

[QUOTE=Shattered_Future]You can get a heavy as hell tone in E standard. Tuning has nothing to do with it, it's all in the effects you use.

Opeth. 7 albums with E standard. Some of the heaviest and most evil riffs you'll ever hear.[/QUOTE]

Just play Master's Apprentices. I didn't realize how heavy standard tuning could be until I listened to Opeth.

Yo people. I have been gone for a while. My computer died and needed to be replaced. It sucks hard though that I lost a ton of stuff with it. One thing for example was that Guitar Pro 5 patch someone sent me a while back that made the drums sound a lot better on it. If anyone has it, could they send it to me again?

[email]Powderburn1214@aol.com[/email]

i just got a visit from my friend, who (as i once said) knows CoB personal and he is an insane guitar player. we talked about 'Universal Mind' and how JP is playing it... cause the tabs are wrong and he managed it out.... it looks the same way as JP is playing it! so here it is:

20-13----13-18-13----13-17-13----13-15-13----13
-------------------------------------------------------------
--------17-------------17------------17-------------17--

That's what I said a million pages back.
I posted the video too.

the million pages back i didn't want to search ...

[QUOTE=repcak]i just got a visit from my friend, who (as i once said) knows CoB personal and he is an insane guitar player. we talked about 'Universal Mind' and how JP is playing it... cause the tabs are wrong and he managed it out.... it looks the same way as JP is playing it! so here it is:

20-13----13-18-13----13-17-13----13-15-13----13
-------------------------------------------------------------
--------17-------------17------------17-------------17--[/QUOTE]


haha. That looks really hard.

[QUOTE=ICB]Great bands that play in E Standard (or down a half step):

Gorgoroth
Lord Belial
Opeth
Iced Earth
Without A Trace :p[/QUOTE]
(+98% of all black metal bands).. Lord Belial! yee! It is possible that my band will open up for Lord Belial on a gig in may. although it is not confirmed but we are working on it.

[QUOTE=Shattered_Future]
Opeth. 7 albums with E standard. Some of the heaviest and most evil riffs you'll ever hear.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. No bands even comes close to how heavy they are.

[QUOTE=I'm Charming]haha. That looks really hard.[/QUOTE]
but its easier than the version from mysongbook with arpeggios

All versions are arpeggios. You're mistaking string skipping with sweep picking.

[QUOTE=repcak]but its easier than the version from mysongbook with arpeggios[/QUOTE]

How many bpm is that at?

Universal Mind... I've never heard that. It's by Petrucci right?

LTE, so yeah.

*Listens to Universal Mind for the first time*
Good luck with that, whoever is learning it...

[QUOTE=I'm Charming]Just play Master's Apprentices. I didn't realize how heavy standard tuning could be until I listened to Opeth.[/QUOTE]

So much fun to play...

[quote=Shattered_Future]You can get a heavy as hell tone in E standard. Tuning has nothing to do with it, it's all in the effects you use.

Opeth. 7 albums with E standard. Some of the heaviest and most evil riffs you'll ever hear.[/quote]

I'm not a fan of rigging my **** with a zillion different effects. I'd rather just downtune. i'm really a fan of pure tone, not layered icing all over the sound.

[QUOTE=Shattered_Future]So much fun to play...[/QUOTE]
I'm definitely learning that.

But upon further inspection, Deliverance seems much more fun.

[QUOTE=atreyu_breakingbenjamin]I'm not a fan of rigging my **** with a zillion different effects. I'd rather just downtune. i'm really a fan of pure tone, not layered icing all over the sound.[/QUOTE]
Then buy a baritone guitar.

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]I'm definitely learning that.

But upon further inspection, Deliverance seems much more fun.[/QUOTE]

MA is really easy as well.

The beginning riff is awsome...

Intro
|-------------------------------------|
|-------------------------------------|
|-------------------------------------|
|-3--2---x--2--2--2--2----------------|
|-3--2---x--2--2--2--2----------------|
|-1--0---x--0--0--0--0--1--0--1/4--5--|
. . . .

|---------------------------------------------|
|---------------------------------------------|
|---------------------------------------------|
|-2-2---3--2---x--2--2--2--2------------------|intro 2 x
|-2-2---3--2---x--2--2--2--2------------------|
|-0-0---1--0---x--0--0--0--0--1--0--1/4--5--8-|

That part is so sweet. :thumb:

I just looked at the GP for it and it seemed too easy to keep me interested.

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]I just looked at the GP for it and it seemed too easy to keep me interested.[/QUOTE]

That's what happened with MA for me. Though I still jam through it.

[quote=guitrguy]Then buy a baritone guitar.[/quote]

Baritone guitars are for people with no talent.

[QUOTE=atreyu_breakingbenjamin]Baritone guitars are for people with no talent.[/QUOTE]

I don't mean to sound like a ****ing idiot, but what's a Baritone Guitar?

[quote=I'm Charming]I don't mean to sound like a ****ing idiot, but what's a Baritone Guitar?[/quote]

A baritone guitar is a guitar built specifically for downtuning. The scale of the guitar is longer, thereby allowing it to have heavier strings while maintaining string tension.It's a glorified bass guitar in my opinion.

Anyway, why would I buy a baritone guitar and still have to dowtune anyway? The strings i would have to put on it would be too heavy for some of the things I use it for anyway.........I would have to put lighter strings on it and screw with keeping it in tune, readjust the action, etc..........it would just defeat the purpose of buying a guitar to supposedly solve some issue.......I would rather do it the way I do it now-Have a normal guitar, adjust the action, put specific strings on it, tune it the way I want it, and be set. It's the same thing.

[QUOTE=atreyu_breakingbenjamin]A baritone guitar is a guitar built specifically for downtuning. The scale of the guitar is longer, thereby allowing it to have heavier strings while maintaining string tension.It's a glorified bass guitar in my opinion.

Anyway, why would I buy a baritone guitar and still have to dowtune anyway? The strings i would have to put on it would be too heavy for some of the things I use it for anyway.........I would have to put lighter strings on it and screw with keeping it in tune, readjust the action, etc..........it would just defeat the purpose of buying a guitar to supposedly solve some issue.......I would rather do it the way I do it now-Have a normal guitar, adjust the action, put specific strings on it, tune it the way I want it, and be set. It's the same thing.[/QUOTE]

Alright, that's pretty much what I figured.
Thanks.

What's wrong with them? Just bad guitarists using them to sound halfway good?

[quote=I'm Charming]Alright, that's pretty much what I figured.
Thanks.

What's wrong with them? Just bad guitarists using them to sound halfway good?[/quote]

Meh. I don't specifically have an issue with them, i was just being a smartass. But i don't really see the point to them, and I have no particular use for them.......and I do know a lot of untalented(*cough* demonhunter *cough*) bands that use them to make things sound heavy when they should just play better riffs. It's just like 7-string guitars......there's no point: either your bassist is crappy and you're compensating for it or you have nothing better to do than add a string and play simpler riffs.



Note: I like demonhunter and many bands that use these guitars, they just aren't the most talented bunch.

[QUOTE=atreyu_breakingbenjamin]Baritone guitars are for people with no talent.[/QUOTE]


this is a pretty fukking closed minded statement. Try to take your foot out of your mouth next time you "speak"

[QUOTE=atreyu_breakingbenjamin]Baritone guitars are for people with no talent.[/QUOTE]
Haha, you're an idiot.

123 to the last 2 posts, dumb statement.

[QUOTE=atreyu_breakingbenjamin]Meh. I don't specifically have an issue with them, i was just being a smartass. But i don't really see the point to them, and I have no particular use for them.......and I do know a lot of untalented(*cough* demonhunter *cough*) bands that use them to make things sound heavy when they should just play better riffs. It's just like 7-string guitars......there's no point: either your bassist is crappy and you're compensating for it or you have nothing better to do than add a string and play simpler riffs.



Note: I like demonhunter and many bands that use these guitars, they just aren't the most talented bunch.[/QUOTE]
One word:

[SIZE="7"]NEVERMORE[/SIZE]

Seriously. I'm getting a 7 just for the fact of playing more complex things and exploring new sounds. That guy needs to become a better musician.