I think we should be able to vote on them. Spatula doesn't cut it.

[QUOTE=Dargon II;15013866]oh yeah

I use the imaginary number to represent a phasor which when plotted again time represents the waveform of voltage in an AC circuit

oh wait everyone does that :upset:[/QUOTE]
:lol:

Yeah, I knew we had something in common.

I mean, considering I only listen to crap music and you listen to elite there had to be something in between.

[url]http://musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=531450[/url]

rather unecessary

I'd like to report Totenkrieg, he's spamming the black metal thread and sexually harassing me. :(

Is the poll in the Korn thread really necessary at this point? It's basically a circumvention of direct spamming, and we all know if I made a similar one, I would get banned or it would be closed or both. So close it please.

[url]http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=522266&page=297[/url]

Close it, it serves absolutely no useful purpose.

The black metallers would raise all hell if it got closed. I think it's in our best interest to let it survive...in whatever twisted, strange way it does.

All Official threads should be closed.. they're all community threads and the forum never changes. The old days were so much better.

[QUOTE=Behemoth_Rules_All;15019547]Is the poll in the Korn thread really necessary at this point? It's basically a circumvention of direct spamming, and we all know if I made a similar one, I would get banned or it would be closed or both. So close it please.[/QUOTE]

They're actually on topic in that thread, which is pretty rare in this forum lately. When it goes away from the discussion of Korn, it'll be closed.

EDIT: I closed the poll and edited its title, I misread your post initially and thought you were talking about the thread, rather than the poll. The threadstarter was already banned.

[QUOTE]All Official threads should be closed.. they're all community threads and the forum never changes.[/QUOTE]
Agreed x1000000

the thing that sucked the most about official threads is that since the rule was enforced so much, instead of making a new thread about a band, people just bump the previously established thread instead of making a new one.

[QUOTE=Kage;15019913]The black metallers would raise all hell if it got closed. I think it's in our best interest to let it survive...in whatever twisted, strange way it does.[/QUOTE]

I guess it is a way to minimize and contain the trolling in the forum. Too bad it was a thread where I used to actually enjoy posting and discussing stuff with people, but most of those people are gone now anyway.

Official threads are a way of high-fiving everyone with the same views and trolling the **** out of people who disagree, though the degree of how bad this is varies from thread to thread.

I don't really think so. It's getting better than it was a few months ago.


@idea of closing all official threads.

It might be getting better, but what's the point in having a forum if every thread gets closed because there's an "Official" thread for it? It's like having 30 subforums, and that is completely stupid.

But at the same time, we've only had the genre threads as the unofficial official threads. It's just the forum itself seems to be going through a decline in traffic, or rather, new users.

I'm sure you guys notice that I don't post much in R&M - there's a reason for that.

Official threads kill interest for most people. The same people are here now than when I left, which is fine, but I honestly expected more than five new regulars. Before Official threads, the forum was so active. Now it's just the same stuff over and over again.

Just my opinion, of course. But I think it has merit. R&M was fine before there were Official threads (and obviously before the period of time when it had no moderation, leading to Official threads).

EDIT: I know we can't close them, so I should pretty much stop talking.

I agree with you 3074326, there have definitely been more active times for this forum, whether it is coincidence that this time period coincides with when there were no official threads I don't know. Some of threads are seriously cyclic though. You get the same random conversation every 5 pages, and some how it perpetuates itself, helped on of course through the fact that several threads are simply sub-forums and little communities where whenever someone says something that's not "correct" a 2 page trolling ensues.

[QUOTE=3074326;15019964]I'm sure you guys notice that I don't post much in R&M - there's a reason for that.

Official threads kill interest for most people. The same people are here now than when I left, which is fine, but I honestly expected more than five new regulars. Before Official threads, the forum was so active. Now it's just the same stuff over and over again.

Just my opinion, of course. But I think it has merit. R&M was fine before there were Official threads (and obviously before the period of time when it had no moderation, leading to Official threads).

EDIT: I know we can't close them, so I should pretty much stop talking.[/QUOTE]

Nah man, I think the peak of activity was during SFK's time, when he rigorously patrolled the threads in the forum. I think it's just a slow point in the life of MX.

EDIT: I think cracking down on the spam a bit will help though. Things like 'cya' and 'sup guys' in any thread but the community thread needs to go, and even in the community thread I'm not fond of it.

Well that brings us back to the point that some threads are almost nothing but off topic discussion that could be classified as spam. I mean you'd have to delete over half the black metal thread to get all the spam out.

EDIT: [url]http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=528770&page=131[/url]

If you actually want to delete stuff like cya and such, then this page has at least two of those kinds of posts.

[QUOTE=Riva;15019976]Nah man, I think the peak of activity was during SFK's time, when he rigorously patrolled the threads in the forum. I think it's just a slow point in the life of MX.

EDIT: I think cracking down on the spam a bit will help though. Things like 'cya' and 'sup guys' in any thread but the community thread needs to go, and even in the community thread I'm not fond of it.[/QUOTE]

Possibly, although I still don't see the point in having an insane amount of, what are basically, unorganized subforums.

OK, so I (ICB) got banned for so-called "spam" in this thread, but skimming through, the last 2 pages were pretty "spammy" (meaning "OH NOEZ NO ONES REPORTING PROBLEMS SO LOL SPAM), by common logic. So what the hell gives?

[QUOTE=Riva;15013082]For spoiling the entire plot of the new Harry Potter book in the L&R/Photo Album thread.

It never ceases to amaze me how people get their jollies from rushing to read an entire novel they supposedly hate just so they can post the spoilers on the internet in order to gain the fleeting respect of their "bad arse" e-friends.[/QUOTE]

Sorry to hear it man. That really sucks. :( That happens to me with movies sometimes, but I guess since is the last book of the series and all that is a really bad thing to have happen. :(

ICB - A lot of people on the last few pages got banned, so it wasn't really unfair, just an effort to keep people from spamming this thread yet again.

[QUOTE][url]http://musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=531527[/url][/QUOTE]

Close.

[QUOTE]ICB - A lot of people on the last few pages got banned, so it wasn't really unfair, just an effort to keep people from spamming this thread yet again.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I get that, but I mean, why not issue bans for the previous "spam" while you're at it? That seems "fair and just" to me. Oh well.

[QUOTE]It never ceases to amaze me how people get their jollies from rushing to read an entire novel they supposedly hate just so they can post the spoilers on the internet in order to gain the fleeting respect of their "bad arse" e-friends.[/QUOTE]
I feel you, dude. I remember when the 6th book came out some dickhead had a usertitle which gave away the fact that a main character died. Needless to say, I was f[size=2]u[/size]cking pissed. That's why I read the new book as fast as I could.

[QUOTE] I know we can't close them, so I should pretty much stop talking.[/QUOTE]
It sucks that they are so entrenched. That's why I spend more time browsing Alt & Indie these days, at least the folks there are able to go a month or two without discussing the same bands over and over. When I come into R&M for the first time on any given day, I rarely find there to be many new threads.

[QUOTE=Apocalyptic Raids;15020024]I feel you, dude. I remember when the 6th book came out some dickhead had a usertitle which gave away the fact that a main character died. Needless to say, I was f[size=2]u[/size]cking pissed. That's why I read the new book as fast as I could.


It sucks that they are so entrenched. That's why I spend more time browsing Alt & Indie these days, at least the folks there are able to go a month or two without discussing the same bands over and over.[/QUOTE]

I heard that when number six came out people went as far as being outside bookstores days after it came telling people that that character dies and wearing shirts saying "so and so dies on page # so and so". Get a life, that's just low, gaining satisfaction by ruining so many other peoples fun.

I too read the new one with a quickness. Great end to the series, and I was happy enough to not have it spoiled by some douche bag (since there were already leaks and stuff days before it came out).

I'll stop the non-related discussion now. If you wanna reply Jono, I think it'd be best to quote me and post the response in the community thread. :)

[QUOTE=Riva;15019976]
EDIT: I think cracking down on the spam a bit will help though. Things like 'cya' and 'sup guys' in any thread but the community thread needs to go, and even in the community thread I'm not fond of it.[/QUOTE]

I still delete that stuff when I see it, but I just don't see it so often any more because I don't read as much as I used to. Haven't banned anyone for it in a while, though.

[QUOTE=ICB]
Yeah, I get that, but I mean, why not issue bans for the previous "spam" while you're at it? That seems "fair and just" to me. Oh well.[/QUOTE]

Because you guys who were banned in this incident were told specifically to stop, and didn't, I'd imagine.

They'll all get bans eventually, I think.

I think you guys should take harsher action against spammers. I see this one guy spamming 24/7, with the brainless responses. Occasionally, I see him banned but then he just returns to spam again.

How about removing rep, or removing their huge *** avatars?

Close all threads. Ban everyone.

Meh, at closing all offical threads. It's true that the forum seems dead these days, and the official forums all turn into community threads for those who regularly use them.

Why don't we just keep the official threads, and not sh[size="2"]i[/size]t ourselves in vehement aggression every time someone makes a thread related to those bands?

[QUOTE]every time someone makes a thread related to those bands?[/QUOTE]

Actually there aren't many n00bs around to make such threads :\

[QUOTE]Why don't we just keep the official threads, and not **** ourselves in vehement aggression every time someone makes a thread related to those bands?[/QUOTE]

i like this. it makes sense. every time we close a thread in a new user's face, they get frustrated and feel that their opinions don't matter. thus, less traffic goes to the boards. just as long as the threads have separate topics, it should be ok, in my opinion. as long as there are not 3 threads floating around on petrucci's sweeps in the glass prison on the front page, this idea should pretty much work.

it also gets new users involved. posting in one of the genre/band community threads at first is kind of intimidating because it's basically a chat room between the same 4 or 5 people. with this system, people can see bands and/or songs and musical components they recognize, and join in the conversation thus giving more traffic and a userbase.

there will be idiots who don't necessarily know what they're doing, and they'll get trolled. it's part of every forum. but i think mass trolling that people have complained about will end with this system as well.

[B]TLDR version[/B]; keep threads about individual bands open, as long as they have different topics (i.e one about metallica and cliff burton, and one about metallica and their new album). idiots will be trolled, this is part of forum life, and if they want, the community of the genres can stick to the general threads where they can talk about the genre in general. (as well as, i'm not going to lie, talk about other stuff in general)

edit: just my 2 cents...

[QUOTE=MBS;15020780]i like this. it makes sense. every time we close a thread in a new user's face, they get frustrated and feel that their opinions don't matter. thus, less traffic goes to the boards. just as long as the threads have separate topics, it should be ok, in my opinion. as long as there are not 3 threads floating around on petrucci's sweeps in the glass prison on the front page, this idea should pretty much work.

it also gets new users involved. posting in one of the genre/band community threads at first is kind of intimidating because it's basically a chat room between the same 4 or 5 people. with this system, people can see bands and/or songs and musical components they recognize, and join in the conversation thus giving more traffic and a userbase.

there will be idiots who don't necessarily know what they're doing, and they'll get trolled. it's part of every forum. but i think mass trolling that people have complained about will end with this system as well.

[B]TLDR version[/B]; keep threads about individual bands open, as long as they have different topics (i.e one about metallica and cliff burton, and one about metallica and their new album). idiots will be trolled, this is part of forum life, and if they want, the community of the genres can stick to the general threads where they can talk about the genre in general. (as well as, i'm not going to lie, talk about other stuff in general)

edit: just my 2 cents...[/QUOTE]

I support this

I do as well.

The problem is that all the Official threads will constantly be bumped, pushing new threads off the first page with few replies.

The idea is logical and I'm willing to try it, however.

[QUOTE=Lesbian_Seagull;15020001]OK, so I (ICB) got banned for so-called "spam" in this thread, but skimming through, the last 2 pages were pretty "spammy" (meaning "OH NOEZ NO ONES REPORTING PROBLEMS SO LOL SPAM), by common logic. So what the hell gives?[/QUOTE]

Maybe you should not spam in this thread and complain when you get banned. I'm getting tired of it, and one of the mods got tired of it enough to ban the people spamming.

[QUOTE]The problem is that all the Official threads will constantly be bumped, pushing new threads off the first page with few replies.[/QUOTE]

the band ones aren't really necessary tbqh. let's just let those slowly die quietly. there's only about 5 or 6 genre ones and the community thread so there should still be room for little threads.

Removing official threads is stupid, the forum will be flooded with tons of useless threads every week or two. Making a different thread to discuss each band in a certain genre is absolutely moronic. Sure it will make the forum appear more active but once one of these new threads die, another one on the same band/topic will appear every couple weeks because people don't see a thread that fits on the first couple pages and the idea that everyone will use the search function to dig up old threads is a nice thought but all of us know that won't happen.

You're missing the point completely. The Official threads give NO life to the forum whatsoever. It's like, everything is boxed up in a nice little package. It's also a really elitist system seeing as most new users get either flamed, trolled, or outright ignored in these threads.

Who cares about new threads every so often? It brings life and new opinions to the forums, not the same 6 guys sitting in a thread going "Hey metal is cool." "yeah." "yeah." "yeah." "yeah." "yeah."


I mean, I like some metal bands in a genre and it sucks when I go to threads to talk about them and someone else is like "yeah, that's cool. anyone like [insert underground metal band here]." i usually don't want to post again in fear of the conversation turning away from what i initially expected it to be.


so, i for one, am for the desecration of the official threads and more individual threads.

if the idea doesn't work, we can always make new official threads.

Niflheim, you do realize that what you described is how all forums work, right?

I'm fine with leaving Official threads for Metallica and Tool, because honestly, when they didn't have Official threads, there were 6-8 threads on the front page about them. The others are not necessary.

I think the point is missed, MX has been quite organized as far as forums go, I really don't see the need for a flood of individual threads that will die off in a day or two, then another thread which will be pretty much exactly the same as the previous ones will come up and die again. Do you really want people to create new threads every time they want to discuss a certain band? Do you want threads coming up everywhere with the same old "reccomend me some death metal like Obituary" or "reccomend me bands like Burzum", that **** gets tired and does nothing to add to discussion.

recommending threads are illegal, not band threads. you missed my point completely again. official threads isolate new users.

this is [B]bad[/B]. i'm fine with dealing with a bunch of new threads, as long as i get to see a bunch of new opinions.

[QUOTE=Niflheim;15021874]I think the point is missed, MX has been quite organized as far as forums go, I really don't see the need for a flood of individual threads that will die off in a day or two, then another thread which will be pretty much exactly the same as the previous ones will come up and die again. Do you really want people to create new threads every time they want to discuss a certain band? Do you want threads coming up everywhere with the same old "reccomend me some death metal like Obituary" or "reccomend me bands like Burzum", that **** gets tired and does nothing to add to discussion.[/QUOTE]
the complaining is only going on becuase certain kiddies don't like how they aren't allowed to discuss their metalcore, emocore, and hip-hop in the death heads thread, and how they aren't allowed to discuss tasteless, homoerotic **** like Ulver and Emperor in the black metal thread.

[QUOTE=Dargon II;15021910]the complaining is only going on becuase certain kiddies don't like how they aren't allowed to discuss their metalcore, emocore, and hip-hop in the death heads thread, and how they aren't allowed to discuss tasteless, homoerotic **** like Ulver and Emperor in the black metal thread.[/QUOTE]

thanks for your uninsightful opinion, which has nothing to do with the matter at hand.

[QUOTE=MBS;15021904]recommending threads are illegal, not band threads. you missed my point completely again. official threads isolate new users.

this is [B]bad[/B]. i'm fine with dealing with a bunch of new threads, as long as i get to see a bunch of new opinions.[/QUOTE]

Where would people looking for recommendations go then? Usually they are directed to the official threads of the genres they are looking into, when those are gone what will be the case. People need to do some thinking.

You seem to miss my point because clearly you've failed to address it. New thread are fine but once they die off in a couple days, new ones that will be pretty much exactly the same will come up. If there was anything new to say about the band, the original thread wouldn't have died in the first place. If I feel like discussing a black metal or death metal band that only a handful of people on this forum would know, your solution is creating a new thread, not posting in a thread which is intended to discuss these bands. I don't think every single band that is to be discussed warrants their own thread.