[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;13466793]

The color was not invented, the name was.[/QUOTE]

SAME [SIZE="6"]EXACT[/SIZE] THING WITH MATH.


a tool conjured by humans to decribe the world. it works, it works, it works. but dont think its true because in 1000 years, our ideas will be crap and you know this.

[QUOTE=Radiobass81;13466807]Correct.

The way I see it, either Irish is discussing being taught illogical things, or being taught something if the definition of one thing was replaced by another (the value of three and the value of two, for example).[/QUOTE]

the latter.

im not arguing against logic.














but if you want me to i can beat logic. its simple and you've all heard the paradox before.

[QUOTE=irishslappop]this is what im arguing. im not arguing that a single apple and a single apple make two apples, thats very "true". im arguing that if you were told from day 1 that 1+3=12 you would believe it, because it was told to you as truth.

numbers aren;t anything, they dont exist. can you punch the number one? of course you cant. number are what humans made them. they have no inherent traits because there is nothing inherent about them. it's a technicality, but the world runs off of them.

you cant say, i percieve this pen as black, but i know that it may not be and then say, all numbers have an inherent value, they;re both human constructs, its the same thing.[/QUOTE]

Okay, then what's being argued? :lol: That humans have created words to give abstract concepts definition and that we only accept them because that's what we've been told? Okay, just checking. :thumb:

[QUOTE=irishslappop;13466802]this is what im arguing. im not arguing that a single apple and a single apple make two apples, thats very "true". im arguing that if you were told from day 1 that 1+3=12 you would believe it, because it was told to you as truth.

numbers aren;t anything, they dont exist. can you punch the number one? of course you cant. number are what humans made them. they have no inherent traits because there is nothing inherent about them. it's a technicality, but the world runs off of them.

you cant say, i percieve this pen as black, but i know that it may not be and then say, all numbers have an inherent value, they;re both human constructs, its the same thing.[/QUOTE]

Numbers aren't real, but quantity is. There isn't a number one infront of me, I can't punch that. But I can have an apple in front of me. ONE apple. Maybe TWO. Both I could punch.

Also, the 1 + 3 = 12 thing, if we give other values to numbers, it makes sense. If not, logic WILL teach us otherwise. My example of Santa Clause fits PERFECTLY with this, and this is the first time I think I make a good example for something I argue about.

Also, the last paragraph inforces me to believe all we are doing is arguing "words" made by man. If it is, let's just shut up, because you're mixing it up. Me and Spiff agree with you on the values, but you've gotten everything mixed up here. Sorry man.

All you're doing is arguing words and definitions!

I bet in 1000 years 1+1 will still equal 2.

But who knows?!?! Maybe 1000 years will be tomorrow?!!? RIGHT!! HA HA!!

[B][COLOR="DarkRed"][FONT="Impact"][SIZE="6"]Stop Talking About Math[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B]


:)

[QUOTE=Aerodyne;13466826]Okay, then what's being argued? :lol: That humans have created words to give abstract concepts definition and that we only accept them because that's what we've been told? Okay, just checking. :thumb:[/QUOTE]

yeah. maybe my text articulation skills suck.

[QUOTE=Aerodyne;13466826]Okay, then what's being argued? :lol: That humans have created words to give abstract concepts definition and that we only accept them because that's what we've been told? Okay, just checking. :thumb:[/QUOTE]

Nothing. We all agree, just that Irish's point wasn't clear up until now.

[QUOTE=HELLonWHEELS;13466850][B][COLOR="DarkRed"][FONT="Impact"][SIZE="6"]Stop Talking About Math[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/B]


:)[/QUOTE]

[SIZE="6"][COLOR="Red"]YELLOW[/COLOR][/SIZE]

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;13466847]All you're doing is arguing words and definitions!

I bet in 1000 years 1+1 will still equal 2.

But who knows?!?! Maybe 1000 years will be tomorrow?!!? RIGHT!! HA HA!![/QUOTE]

I laughed a lot, hahaha.

Oh, okay. I caught some of this conversation earlier and when I came back hours later it was still going on. Just wanted to make sure it was the same thing. :lol:

[QUOTE=Ting;13466859][SIZE="6"][COLOR="Red"]YELLOW[/COLOR][/SIZE][/QUOTE]

Isn't there some test where you are suppose to read the spelt out word of the colour, but the word is a different colour in which the word says?

You are suppose to read the word, but you will end up saying the colour of the word instead of the word spelling out the colour, or something to that extent.

I don't quite remember the actual test.

haha im done messin with you guys. radio and spiff kinda figured it out at the same time.

everything is words guys. i cant argue LOGIC. are you ****ing joking me? do you think im a complete moron? thats why i DIDN'T say 1 apple + 3 apples = 12 apples. BECAUSE IT DOESN'T. but you cant say anything to me about the FACT that 1 + 3 = 12.

:lol: good talk.

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;13466847]All you're doing is arguing words and definitions!

I bet in 1000 years 1+1 will still equal 2.

But who knows?!?! Maybe 1000 years will be tomorrow?!!? RIGHT!! HA HA!![/QUOTE]

hilarious, but your not getting it dude. you attached "years" to 1000. i cant argue against logic, and i haven't been. READ.

:D

Jorge, you did make a good point with the Santa Clause thing. :thumb:
It's nice to have someone on my side when the opposing side isn't making any sense...

[QUOTE=Pluperfect_Arson;13466884]Isn't there some test where you are suppose to read the spelt out word of the colour, but the word is a different colour in which the word says?

You are suppose to read the word, but you will end up saying the colour of the word instead of the word spelling out the colour, or something to that extent.

I don't quite remember the actual test.[/QUOTE]

[IMG]http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_mar2001/ColourTest.gif[/IMG]

Poop.

lowsound

[QUOTE=thelowsoundofbass;13466900]Poop.

lowsound[/QUOTE]

:wave: :wave: :wave:
Greetings

[QUOTE=Ting;13466899]http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_mar2001/ColourTest.gif[/QUOTE]

That is it!

Anyway, I am out.
Bye.

[QUOTE=Pluperfect_Arson;13466913]That is it![/QUOTE]

Yup...Now gimme your wallet.

[QUOTE=irishslappop;13466895]hilarious, but your not getting it dude. you attached "years" to 1000. i cant argue against logic, and i haven't been. READ.[/QUOTE]

But "years" is just a word! Who knows what it means?!?

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;13466897]:D

Jorge, you did make a good point with the Santa Clause thing. :thumb:
It's nice to have someone on my side when the opposing side isn't making any sense...[/QUOTE]

im afraid your just not undertstanding what im saying hunny. i Just had this talk with a professor with PHd, so, im afraid your not grasping this one.

That test gets tricky.
Especially when your friend is yelling random colours into your ear

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;13466921]But "years" is just a word! Who knows what it means?!?[/QUOTE]

An abbreviation for
[B]Y[/B]our [B]ears[/B]?

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;13466921]But "years" is just a word! Who knows what it means?!?[/QUOTE]

your right. who knows?

[QUOTE=irishslappop;13466928]im afraid your just not undertstanding what im saying hunny. i Just had this talk with a professor with PHd, so, im afraid your not grasping this one.[/QUOTE]

I get it, you just weren't being clear what you were arguing before.

[QUOTE]hilarious, but your not getting it dude. you attached "years" to 1000. i cant argue against logic, and i haven't been. READ.[/QUOTE]

Regardless if there is a noun or not, if the value of a thousnand has been changed to one, a thousand years would be one.

[QUOTE]haha im done messin with you guys. radio and spiff kinda figured it out at the same time.

everything is words guys. i cant argue LOGIC. are you ****ing joking me? do you think im a complete moron? thats why i DIDN'T say 1 apple + 3 apples = 12 apples. BECAUSE IT DOESN'T. but you cant say anything to me about the FACT that 1 + 3 = 12.
[/QUOTE]

You say that, but just look at your comment above. Just when you are making sense, you go and ruin it COMPLETELY.

Spiff: No problem.

Aerodyne: This is another one

like i said, i am doing a horrid job at articulaing this.

Somthing can be one thing to one person and another to someone else
Binary for example <_<

Irish: That last post wasn't wrong articulation, and don't even try to make something up to cover it. That was horrible thinking.

EDIT: The post with years, I mean.

How about we tone down on the hate and have a big jerk circle?
Hmmm?
I know that everyone has some built up stress, let's let the "stress" flow free.

the nouns are needed to argue guys. you cant have an arguement about something that doesnt physically exist and be stupid about and say "omfg the words were saying don;t mean anything so your obviously wrong :p"
the specific example were using right now, are numbers. we share a general understanding of "years".

1000 years in 1 day goes against allll logic.

1000 in 1 could mean ANYTHING.

One Groovin Clown: Hate? You're assuming we hate each other because we're arguing?

Feelings aren't translated to well through the internet.

Let's discuss how sexy flamed maple is.

[QUOTE=Radiobass81;13467022]One Groovin Clown: Hate? You're assuming we hate each other because we're arguing?

Feelings aren't translated to well through the internet.[/QUOTE]

As is the slight dash of humour in my post.

This is merely an argument on views. Hate doesn't rise from that.

Actually I haven't seen a flamed maple lately that I've gone GAS crazy over. I do love me some quilted maple. Flamed Koa isn't half bad either.

Tings off to sleep guys. Niggghhhttttttttttttttttt

[QUOTE=BenJammin;13467023]Let's discuss how sexy flamed maple is.[/QUOTE]

Jerk-off worthy.

lowsound

[QUOTE=Radiobass81;13466990]That was horrible thinking.[/QUOTE]

awesome. i didn't know that we were rating how good our thinking was :rolleyes:

1 could be 1000

1000 could be 855

but 1 apple can't be 1000 apples

1000 apples cant be 855 apples.

in the situation that we are discussing right now, there is no logic in that statement.

there is logic in that 1 is 1000 because its a human construct, you can make anything of it. an apple is not human construct, the word is, but the idea of an apple is not.


and what has led you to your guy's stance? schooling? please.

[QUOTE=irishslappop;13467017]the nouns are needed to argue guys. you cant have an arguement about something that doesnt physically exist and be stupid about and say "omfg the words were saying don;t mean anything so your obviously wrong :p"
the specific example were using right now, are numbers. we share a general understanding of "years".

1000 years in 1 day goes against allll logic.

1000 in 1 could mean ANYTHING.[/QUOTE]

1000 years in 1 day? Where the hell did that come from? How does that come into my discussion? Those are two different values of two different things. You are bringing incoherent things into the conversation, and making it worse.

We're discussing X, and with that day comment, you bought Y. Bleh. Shut up.

You said the value of 1000 years couldn't be changed because it had years. Like I said, that is FALSE. The noun has nothing to do with it.