[QUOTE=Walrus Gumboot]I really wish Hey Jude were on CD.[/QUOTE]

It's on the #1 album.

[QUOTE=Franchez]It's on the #1 album.[/QUOTE]

Oh, the place to get it is on "Past Masters, Volume II"--no redundancy there. Forget "#1". (There WAS a "Hey, Jude" album--in between "Abbey Road" and "Let It Be", but not released in England until years later.)

[QUOTE=Franchez]Does anyone like Across the Universe? I think it's a fantastic song.[/QUOTE]

Observe my user title. Across The Universe is one of my favorite songs of all time. I love the version off the Beatles Anthology.

[QUOTE=Ned]If you limit this to guitar playing, it sounds more plausible, but you'd have to take McCartney's word, which is suspect and which became more suspect after Lennon's death (which McCartney took advantage of by changing his anecdotes, knowing Lennon was no longer around to contradict him). The objective facts are these: 1) Lennon had the gig; McCartney did not. 2) Lennon was leader; McCartney was not.

Listen to Beatles records. Lennon makes the guitar groove; McCartney never learned to.[/QUOTE]

Not true. After whats-his-name (their manager... God, I can't believe I'm forgetting it) died, McCartney took control of the band. Although Lennon still did his fair share of writing, McCartney was a creative nazi, up until he had a dream in which Mother Mary told him to Let it Be, which influenced him to a) write the song and b) loosen his creative control on The Beatles.

Fun little fact: Ravi Shankar's daughter is Norah Jones.

[QUOTE=DeusExMachina]Not true. After whats-his-name (their manager... God, I can't believe I'm forgetting it) died, McCartney took control of the band. Although Lennon still did his fair share of writing, McCartney was a creative nazi, up until he had a dream in which Mother Mary told him to Let it Be, which influenced him to a) write the song and b) loosen his creative control on The Beatles.

Fun little fact: Ravi Shankar's daughter is Norah Jones.[/QUOTE]
Brian Epstein. Your Beatles trivia knowledge is dissapointing me :angry:

[QUOTE]Originally Posted by Ned
Harrison only studied for six months and a lot of that was simply posture. "Norwegian Wood" was recorded before Harrison met Ravi Shankar, and Harrison was subsequently embarrassed about it. No, Harrison gained from Ravi Shankar a deeper appreciation of the sitar and Indian music in general, not any appreciable playing skill.[/QUOTE]

Oh really? Thats something I haven't heard before...thanks for the info...

[QUOTE=Woodstock]Brian Epstein. Your Beatles trivia knowledge is dissapointing me :angry:[/QUOTE]
Hehe. That's a commonly known fact. i'm surprised at deusex :amaze:

[QUOTE=DeusExMachina]I really like Julia and Happiness is a Warm Gun.[/QUOTE]
Happiness is a Warm Gun is easily my favorite song right now. Plus, Julia is very emotional and cool. Good taste! :thumb:

George Harrison was taught to play sitar by Ravi Shankar, and anyone associated with Ravi automatically gains 70154714936757234 cool points.

Magical Mystery Tour is really growing on me now. I didn't used to think it was that great, but now I'm changing my mind.

I don't like MMT that much

MMT is a great album. Those who don't like it haven't listened to it enough.

[QUOTE=Johnny B. Good]I don't like MMT that much[/QUOTE]

At first I didn't, now I like it. Psychadelic Beatles=Good.

Stock: I think that is true, becuase the more I listened to it the more I liked it.

[QUOTE=Woodstock]MMT is a great album. Those who don't like it haven't listened to it enough.[/QUOTE]
I probably haven't

I've only listened to it once and I love it :thumb:

Strawberry Fields forever is probably the best song on the album, but there are so many good ones :)

there is no best song on an albumn that stands head over others, on almost every beatles cd all songs on it stand equally in "bestness" it might b ur *favourite* on the albumn tho,

[QUOTE=rock not roll]Hehe. That's a commonly known fact. i'm surprised at deusex :amaze:[/QUOTE]

Shush. I knew his name. I just forgot. I know my Beatles trivia pretty well, I just have a bad memory with names.

[QUOTE=DeusExMachina]Not true. After whats-his-name (their manager... God, I can't believe I'm forgetting it) died, McCartney took control of the band. Although Lennon still did his fair share of writing, McCartney was a creative nazi, up until he had a dream in which Mother Mary told him to Let it Be, which influenced him to a) write the song and b) loosen his creative control on The Beatles.

Fun little fact: Ravi Shankar's daughter is Norah Jones.[/QUOTE]

Um...I meant John Lennon was leader of the Quarrymen. The Beatles had no official leader, but of course Lennon was defacto leader until, as you say, what's-his-name died. Lennon was going through a passive period at the time (according to Lennon), and when he began to reassert himself things got rough and eventually the group broke up. McCartney's bid to try to make Linda's uncle manager was obviously a power play, and McCartney interpreted Lennon's bid to make Allen Klein manager as an equal and opposite power play. (It almost seems that McCartney built his career on corpses: first Stu Sutcliff, then Brian Epstein, then John Lennon.)

[QUOTE=Woodstock]MMT is a great album. Those who don't like it haven't listened to it enough.[/QUOTE]

There are two basic problems with "Magical Mystery Tour":

1) It was intended as an EP, not an LP.

2) The awful television special.

So, yes, there are some very good songs on it, most notably the songs of the double A single, "Penny Lane" (one of Paul McCartney's and George Martin's very best) and "Strawberry Fields Forever", but some tracks are merely filler, most notably "Flying" (pretty much the worst Beatles track that does not appear on the White Album, in my opinion), and it doesn't hang together the way that Pepper and Abbey Road and other Beatles LP's do.

[QUOTE=DeusExMachina]Observe my user title. Across The Universe is one of my favorite songs of all time. I love the version off the Beatles Anthology.[/QUOTE]

Do you know the "Past Masters" version (the first version to be released)?

[QUOTE=Ned]Um...I meant John Lennon was leader of the Quarrymen. The Beatles had no official leader, but of course Lennon was defacto leader until, as you say, what's-his-name died. Lennon was going through a passive period at the time (according to Lennon), and when he began to reassert himself things got rough and eventually the group broke up. McCartney's bid to try to make Linda's uncle manager was obviously a power play, and McCartney interpreted Lennon's bid to make Allen Klein manager as an equal and opposite power play. (It almost seems that McCartney built his career on corpses: first Stu Sutcliff, then Brian Epstein, then John Lennon.)[/QUOTE]

Crikeys. Triple postage. Anywho...
That statement about McCartney is a little harsh, don't you think? I mean, he was golden in the Beatles before Epstein died, (and I know I forgot his name, but people needn't jump on my back for it...it was just a brain lapse) and if the death of Sutcliffe really helped anyone, I'd say it was Harrison. With three guitars in the band, Harrison wouldn't stand out nearly so much. However, with McCartney on bass, Harrison had his chance to show off his lead guitar playing abilities.

I agree with you about Flying. And the White Album. There's some great stuff on The White Album, and there's some junk.

Yes, I have heard the Past Masters version of Across The Universe. It's good, but the vocals seem sadder to me than they do on the released version. Not as airy, and just kind of down.

I love the beatles what a brillant amazing band.I wonder what would of happen if they continued touring after 1966 and if the beatles lasted after 1970?
I think they would of been proably better if they toured,but they said it would take away there experimental records,but I dont think it would,but as for lasting longer in the 70s well it would of been hard as you see rolling stones and Led Zeppelin were huge touring bands so they may of not wanna to be outdone live maybe,so they try to beat everyone in the recording side of things.Its really hard to imagine what would and could of happened if those two things would kept going.who knows.

[QUOTE=Rock'n roll]I love the beatles what a brillant amazing band.I wonder what would of happen if they continued touring after 1966 and if the beatles lasted after 1970?
I think they would of been proably better if they toured,but they said it would take away there experimental records,but I dont think it would,but as for lasting longer in the 70s well it would of been hard as you see rolling stones and Led Zeppelin were huge touring bands so they may of not wanna to be outdone live maybe,so they try to beat everyone in the recording side of things.Its really hard to imagine what would and could of happened if those two things would kept going.who knows.[/QUOTE]

Thats not why they didnt tour, they didnt tour because they felt there music wasnt being heard it was just the beatles that were the show not their music.

Yea I pretty much knew that,but it is also another theory about it,though.Plus John's statement he made("its to a point were the beatles are bigger than Jesus Christ") and that really hurt The Beatles so there shortly afterword they stopped touring it seems relativent that maybe he was a bit afraid to tour which who could blame him.the way the public reacted to that statement was insane though.Also I've always wanted to know what (Jai guru deva om)that line in "Across the Universe" meant?

P.S.mine was just a theory of what would of happen not why they stopped touring I know they felt there were a bit like a show than being the beatles and wanted to concentrate on albums more,but mines was a theory of what if they continue touring when the rise of Hendrix,The Stones,Led Zepp,from 66-70 and if they lasted longer like to around 1975 would they've been as successful no I don't think so Idk if they could of recorded and toured that long to be honest.There were alot of egos and of course Yoko's input on John and the beatles.So I highly doubt it would of been remotely possible for the beatles to last much longer than 1970 much less 5 more years.Plus as it was with egos and such as everyone would have it would of been nice as guess for the stones,the beatles and Led Zepp to dominate the 70s,but sadly it didn't turn out that way.it was just a matter of opinion on what you would of thought on the beatles touring longer than 1966 and the beatles as a group still lasting longer than 1970.

1) On the back of the "Meet The Beatles" it introduces John as the "leader" of the group
2)I didn't like "flying" at first, but it's really grown on me, it's one of their only instrumentals
3) What's this about Sir Paul playing at the superbowl? I hear he is going to play some song called "Freedom". Boo.
Best case scenario: He signs on to sing a Wings song and plays "Imagine" instead. Hey, its going out live on the East Coast...he could do it

Gee golly that would make my day.

I've missed quite a bit in here.

MMT is a great album. I didn't like Flying at first but now I can't skip it when I listen to the CD. My favorite MMT song is Strawberry Fields and then All You Need Is Love.

Did someone mention a Paul McCartney tour? Elaborate, please.

Paul McCartney is performing at the halftime show of the Super Bowl. In case you didn't know.

Thanks. I usually don't watch half-time, but now I guess I will. :)

[QUOTE=Walrus Gumboot]1) On the back of the "Meet The Beatles" it introduces John as the "leader" of the group
2)I didn't like "flying" at first, but it's really grown on me, it's one of their only instrumentals
3) What's this about Sir Paul playing at the superbowl? I hear he is going to play some song called "Freedom". Boo.
Best case scenario: He signs on to sing a Wings song and plays "Imagine" instead. Hey, its going out live on the East Coast...he could do it

Gee golly that would make my day.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't want him to play Imagine...it's not his song. He didn't contribute to that song in any way. I want him to play something psychadelic, just because that's when his bass playing skills were best put to use.

I agree with thickasabrick. McCartney should play one of his own songs.

Yuck, I don't want him to play Freedom. That song is pure crap. Play something surreal.

[QUOTE=thickasabrick]I wouldn't want him to play Imagine...it's not his song. He didn't contribute to that song in any way. I want him to play something psychadelic, just because that's when his bass playing skills were best put to use.[/QUOTE]
Im interested in seeing him play either way.

[QUOTE=DeusExMachina]
That statement about McCartney is a little harsh, don't you think? [/QUOTE]

Sure, but I'm trying to be provocative.

[QUOTE=DeusExMachina] I mean, he was golden in the Beatles before Epstein died, [/QUOTE]

He didn't have control, and he was contending furiously with Lennon behind the scenes.

[QUOTE=DeusExMachina]....and if the death of Sutcliffe really helped anyone, I'd say it was Harrison. With three guitars in the band, Harrison wouldn't stand out nearly so much. However, with McCartney on bass, Harrison had his chance to show off his lead guitar playing abilities. [/QUOTE]

Well, the remark is a little off with regard to Sutcliffe, but only because Sutcliffe died AFTER quitting the Beatles, not MUCH after, however, so it's still close--poetic truth if not literal truth.

Harrison was undisputed top guitarist for his entire Beatles tenure. Sutcliffe's departure helped Harrison only in the way that it helped all four; there was one fewer Beatle--or at least that's how I see it.

I read an interview once with McCartney in which McCartney was angry at some Beatles book that claimed he'd pushed out Sutcliffe so that he could take over the bass. It was his contention that he'd got "slagged" with the bass (nobody wanted to play it). He said he rang up Harrison and asked, "Did I get slagged with the bass?" and Harrison answered, "You got slagged with the bass." The problem with the book, however, was only in its mis-imputation of the motive; it WAS on the right track. Pete Best confirms that McCartney was hostile to Sutcliffe, sometimes savagely hostile. Well, Sutcliffe was in the band for one reason only: because he was John Lennon's best friend and John Lennon wanted him in. Paul McCartney wanted him out, and eventually succeeded in booting him. With Sutcliffe gone, McCartney no longer had to compete for second chair.

If McCartney had a real sense of humor, he'd sing "How Do You Sleep?" That would be hilarious and a great way to rise above the fray.

I still haven't forgiven McCartney for "Freedom". I want him to redeem himself (partially) by denouncing Bush unequivocally. The line "God gave me the right to live in freedom" particularly bothers me. As far as I know, this is the first time God appears in a McCartney song. When Lennon sang about God, he was honestly grappling with the thing intellectually. When Harrison sang about God, he was honestly grappling with the thing emotionally, spiritually. Apparently McCartney doesn't need to grapple; God is McCartney's best buddy, and McCartney can speak for God with impunity--"Freedom" is rather like Dylan's "With God On Our Side" without the irony.

[QUOTE=Ned]If McCartney had a real sense of humor, he'd sing "How Do You Sleep?" That would be hilarious and a great way to rise above the fray.

.[/QUOTE]

That would be awesome :lol:. Of course since the guys who did it are dead maybe it wouldn't be nice to mock them.

Eh, just let him do Maybe I'm Amazed.

Trust me, hearing that and Let it Be live was some of the greatest experiences of my life.

Of course, he should just go all out badass and do Helter Skelter, which I don't think he's ever done live before.....oh yeah :thumb: that'd be the best half time show of all time.

[QUOTE=Rock'n roll]Also I've always wanted to know what (Jai guru deva om)that line in "Across the Universe" meant?[/QUOTE]

We praise you, heavenly teacher. Om. (Not exact, but its hard to get an exact translation of sanskrit. Om is a hindu sound that I'm sure you'd recognize, it goes at the end of prayers and is supposed to be the natural vibrations of the universe.)

[QUOTE=DeusExMachina]We praise you, heavenly teacher. Om. (Not exact, but its hard to get an exact translation of sanskrit. Om is a hindu sound that I'm sure you'd recognize, it goes at the end of prayers and is supposed to be the natural vibrations of the universe.)[/QUOTE]

Interesting. It's Sanskrit, not Hindi? "Guru" is teacher, of course. Is "deva" more or less a cognate of the English "devotion" or is the resemblance fortuitous? I assume in the song Lennon only wants to invoke the idea of chanting, that is, the song itself is not saying "We praise you, heavenly teacher".

I liek teh Beetles.

Paul McCartney is not the villian Ned and some others make out
Paul McCartney may not of liked stu sutcliff, but, if you were in the beatles and you had some no hope in the band, who was only really there as a friend of one of the other members of the group would u like him?,
For that matter i doubt George Harrison would of liked [I][B]that fact[/B] [/I]bout stu, or Pete.

And during the beatles and all that the "behind the scenes fights" with john wernt as bad as what Ned said, fair enough you saying that though becourse there were fights but the media etc. blew the fights RIGHT out of preportion
John Lennon said:
"You can have a fight with ur best mate, and come to blows over it if u like, but in the end he is still ur best mate.... but when [B][U]we[/U][/B] figth its some sort of... trecherary...or some crime against the state"

I've quoted that before in here^^ but it seems like it needs to be said again now.

[QUOTE=Ned]Interesting. It's Sanskrit, not Hindi? "Guru" is teacher, of course. Is "deva" more or less a cognate of the English "devotion" or is the resemblance fortuitous? I assume in the song Lennon only wants to invoke the idea of chanting, that is, the song itself is not saying "We praise you, heavenly teacher".[/QUOTE]

Deva is like, holy or great. I'm not positive on the exact translation of each individual word, but I do know "deva" refers to the sacred. I'm fairly certain it's Sanskrit, but it could be Hindi.

To Sgt. Joker, I agree with what I could understand. No offense, but typing a bit more coherently would be nice.