Which to me is still pretty small, I prefer the 18"er's, haha.

I am looking for a solid crash cymbal for beginners that will last me a long time and is not that expensive.

im lookin for a fast, large, deep, china for my kit.
and i waas wonderin if you guys could give me like 3 suggestions on what would fit the bill
PRICE DOES NOT MATTER

im lookin for a fast, large, deep, china for my kit.
and i was wonderin if you guys could give me like 3 suggestions on what would fit the bill
PRICE DOES NOT MATTER

Edit: sorry for double post, comp froze

[QUOTE=faith+1]well i wasnt actually only talking volume but the bell and the cymbal itself is higher pitched and natrualy the higher the pitch(to a point) the more it will cut. either cymbal is really good, so no matter which one you choose you will be in good hands.(paiste IMO has the best customer service of any cymbal company, and are the most consistent)[/QUOTE]

Sorry for the miss understanding, thanks for clearing it up.

[QUOTE=Rockafella]I am looking for a solid crash cymbal for beginners that will last me a long time and is not that expensive.[/QUOTE]

Its not really for beginners, but its priced like a beginner cymbal. Saluda Mist 16 medium crash.

meizmatt try the HH dark chinese 18 or 20"
K/Kustom Chinese 17"
and also the paiste traditional medium light chna 18"
also what kind of music are u playing? and there may be some I missed from sabians signature line cause I haven't heard alot from that series I think maybe the jia china might work....

[QUOTE=Murd_666]
also what kind of music are u playing? [/QUOTE]
i need it to be versatile...in pother word i play many genres

Versitlile china's
AAX Chinese 18"
B8 Pro Chinese 18"
XS20 Chinese 18"
you might think there to bright but try them at out to see if you like these

[QUOTE=meizmatt]im lookin for a fast, large, deep, china for my kit.
and i waas wonderin if you guys could give me like 3 suggestions on what would fit the bill
PRICE DOES NOT MATTER[/QUOTE]

Istanbul Agop Traditional China
Istanbul Agop Turk China
Istanbul Agop Sultan China

27" Wuhan China....but, you want fast, AND big? good luck.

i can't diside between the sabian aax stage crash or the studio crash or just save up and get a paiste rude. which should i go for?

^wat genera r u playing?wat kind sound r u looking for?^

[QUOTE=chuckdrums]i can't diside between the sabian aax stage crash or the studio crash or just save up and get a paiste rude. which should i go for?[/QUOTE]

Studio crash for sure.

i play metal mostly

get the Stage at least. the Studio wont hold up.


i'd still be weary of the Stage Crash though...its only a Medium-thin.

Medium-Thins are more explosive. I use em, and they are puurrrffect.



Notice the Onomateopiea. It's because Istanbul's can purr like cats or roar like lions when it comes to dynamics.

My question is I like cymbals from all the brands but paiste sticks out more to me. Only downfall is the price which is the only reason I've been looking for other cymbals. Is it smarter to just go with zildjian/sabian or just save up for paiste?

save for what you want of course

but if you NEED good cymbals now, get the "more affordable" sabian and Zildjian cymbals.

I'm looking for Hats, preferably 14" that are washy and trashy when open, but when used with the foot are nice and crisp and have good stick definition. Any help would be appreciated.

[QUOTE=chuckdrums]i can't diside between the sabian aax stage crash or the studio crash or just save up and get a paiste rude. which should i go for?[/QUOTE]

get the stage crash. dont get a rude its a crsah ride. i have a stage crash in 16 inches. its great. medium thin is a good size for a crash.

Can anyone reccomend me a crash cymbal ideal for beginners, fairly obtainable, $50-$150, and plays and sounds great?

^^^Good range there. I picked up my 18" AA Medium Crash for $137, but it was on sale.....I suppose you could get a 16" AA crash in that price range, that would suit very nicely. If not, try for some intermediate model in Sabian or Paiste's range.

[QUOTE=Rockafella]Can anyone reccomend me a crash cymbal ideal for beginners, fairly obtainable, $50-$150, and plays and sounds great?[/QUOTE]

What kind of sound are you going for, what style(s) will you be playing with it?

[QUOTE=Rockafella]Can anyone reccomend me a crash cymbal ideal for beginners, fairly obtainable, $50-$150, and plays and sounds great?[/QUOTE]

Sabian XS20 Medium-Thin Crash.

Or a Sabian AAX 16" Studio Crash goes for way below 150 at massmusic.net

[QUOTE=Rockafella]Can anyone reccomend me a crash cymbal ideal for beginners, fairly obtainable, $50-$150, and plays and sounds great?[/QUOTE]

Sabian B8 and Zildjian ZXT/ZXT rock are the best beginner crashes for your price range..be sure not to mix up B8 and B8pro (B8 pro is actually worse sounding than B8) i wouldnt recommend them, but Zildjian ZBT crash cymbals are the bottom of the line cymbals if you want a big company name....but whatever you do...DO NOT buy pulse cymbals

[QUOTE=meizmatt]im lookin for a fast, large, deep, china for my kit.
and i was wonderin if you guys could give me like 3 suggestions on what would fit the bill
PRICE DOES NOT MATTER

Edit: sorry for double post, comp froze[/QUOTE]

If there is no price restriction, id recommend (sp.?) a Zildjian A or K china in anywhere from 19-22" sizes. As for Sabian, an AAX or HHX chinese will do..also in anywhere from 19-22" and youre lucky...if price isnt a factor in your percussionly purchases..id have to mow 15 lawns to buy a new crash

Tre I don't know why you are worried...I used to have to mow plenty of lawns, but never get any money.

Can someone recomend a big cymbal that will work well as a beat keeper

^^^Wow, your username suits you.

Do you want a ride, or a crash you can ride on?

For a ride, anything works.

For a crash to ride on, something in the range of 18-20", prevarably medium or heavy. My 18" Sabian AA Medium Crash does a decent job for riding, though I rarely use it in that application.