[QUOTE=gocaps99]wtf are you talking about?[/QUOTE]

Well I suppose its quite dark lyrically, but heavy? Not really.

well maybe, not really tho

I saw them live in 86 on the Puppets tour.

Blew me away.

I saw them in 94 at Woodstock, I put on headphones.

As far as I'm concerned, they broke up when Cliffy died. They should have anyway. I think they killed him so they could sell out. Because we all know Cliff is the only thing that kept them grounded.

[QUOTE=DBoon's Ghost]I saw them live in 86 on the Puppets tour.

Blew me away.

I saw them in 94 at Woodstock, I put on headphones.

As far as I'm concerned, they broke up when Cliffy died. They should have anyway. [B]I think they killed him so they could sell out[/B]. Because we all know Cliff is the only thing that kept them grounded.[/QUOTE]
That is the most retarded thing ive ever heard.

[QUOTE=^Dream~Theater^]That is the most retarded thing ive ever heard.[/QUOTE]

Only if you think I'm actually serious.

[QUOTE=DBoon's Ghost]I saw them live in 86 on the Puppets tour.

Blew me away.

I saw them in 94 at Woodstock, I put on headphones.

As far as I'm concerned, they broke up when Cliffy died. They should have anyway. I think they killed him so they could sell out. Because we all know Cliff is the only thing that kept them grounded.[/QUOTE]


sweet (the concert) i kinda wasn't alive then :upset:

i think it took a major toll on their music. it was never the same

[QUOTE=Tallica666]sweet (the concert) i kinda wasn't alive then :upset:

i think it took a major toll on their music. it was never the same[/QUOTE]

No. Cliff died. That was it.

It was weird because they were opening for Ozzy.. and even Ozzy was pretty shocked when people booed him and screamed for Metallica to come back out.

He took it well. Ozzy sucked that night though. Jake E Lee was a clown with his Charvel guitars..

Anyways, I've seen Metallica so many times after that, and nothing compares to that one show. I also saw them on their first tour right after Cliff died and they were horrible, but And Justice wasn't a bad album. Once I saw the video on MTV for "One" everyone knew it was over.

So sad.

[QUOTE=DBoon's Ghost]Anyways, I've seen Metallica so many times after that, and nothing compares to that one show. I also saw them on their first tour right after Cliff died and they were horrible, but And Justice wasn't a bad album. Once I saw the video on MTV for "One" everyone knew it was over.

So sad.[/QUOTE]

what do you mean? the fact that they had a music video?

in my opinion battery is one of thier greatest songs along with all the classics but i thnk tht black is thier best album

[QUOTE=Tallica666]what do you mean? the fact that they had a music video?[/QUOTE]

Yes.

I think it would be funny if Metallica fans of today knew what they used to say in all those old articles in Circus and Kerrang magazine which I should be able to find if I look around my house. How they'd never make a video and sell out, how they would always do their own thing and never cater to the fans because they wanted to make the music they wanted to make. How they'd never cave in like all the faggy hair bands and you would never find Metallica on MTV because they're all corporate slimeballs..

Yet...

Cliff dies and all of a sudden.. I dunno. To each his own in the end, but I was no longer a fan like most my age. Good for them for being able to sell it to the younger folk..

[QUOTE=DBoon's Ghost]Yes.

I think it would be funny if Metallica fans of today knew what they used to say in all those old articles in Circus and Kerrang magazine which I should be able to find if I look around my house. How they'd never make a video and sell out, how they would always do their own thing and never cater to the fans because they wanted to make the music they wanted to make. How they'd never cave in like all the faggy hair bands and you would never find Metallica on MTV because they're all corporate slimeballs..

Yet...

Cliff dies and all of a sudden.. I dunno. To each his own in the end, but I was no longer a fan like most my age. Good for them for being able to sell it to the younger folk..[/QUOTE]
Making a music video dosen't mean selling out. Maybe they wanted to show the powerful messages in the song while using video clips. If you dont like Metallica, then don't post in here.

[QUOTE=DBoon's Ghost]Yes.

I think it would be funny if Metallica fans of today knew what they used to say in all those old articles in Circus and Kerrang magazine which I should be able to find if I look around my house. How they'd never make a video and sell out, how they would always do their own thing and never cater to the fans because they wanted to make the music they wanted to make. How they'd never cave in like all the faggy hair bands and you would never find Metallica on MTV because they're all corporate slimeballs..

Yet...

Cliff dies and all of a sudden.. I dunno. To each his own in the end, but I was no longer a fan like most my age. Good for them for being able to sell it to the younger folk..[/QUOTE]

cliff was the heart of the band tho. i don't see james wanting a music video, i guess he was pushed into it by lars and kirk or something. they have sold out every concert and didn't have a music video for years, i don't understand why they changed

the nu bassit annoys the **** out of me he looks like a gorilla

[QUOTE=ReturningTheReaction]the nu bassit annoys the **** out of me he looks like a gorilla[/QUOTE]
Learn how to spell.

[QUOTE=^Dream~Theater^]Making a music video dosen't mean selling out. Maybe they wanted to show the powerful messages in the song while using video clips. If you dont like Metallica, then don't post in here.[/QUOTE]

Quite the contrary sir. People need to be educated about the fact that they are nothing but sellouts fooling their fans with garbage music.

They lied to their fans and keep a veil over their new fans eyes.

They are the epitome of sellout garbage music and they are what made hair metal fail.

In fact, they don't even deserve to be called metal anymore. They should be relegated to pop or pop metal or something.

Don't be a fanboy. And in the future, don't dare tell me where to post.

[QUOTE=ReturningTheReaction]the nu bassit annoys the **** out of me he looks like a gorilla[/QUOTE]

nu, hmm, you know, it's just one extra letter to spell "new" and to not get flamed as much.

he looks like a gorilla, but he's the best bassist metallica has ever had SKILLFULLY.

[QUOTE=^Dream~Theater^]Making a music video dosen't mean selling out. Maybe they wanted to show the powerful messages in the song while using video clips. If you dont like Metallica, then don't post in here.[/QUOTE]
he's just offering an alternate view on the band, it's not like he's mindlessly flaming them or anything.

[QUOTE=DBoon's Ghost]Quite the contrary sir. People need to be educated about the fact that they are nothing but sellouts fooling their fans with garbage music.

They lied to their fans and keep a veil over their new fans eyes.

They are the epitome of sellout garbage music and they are what made hair metal fail.

In fact, they don't even deserve to be called metal anymore. They should be relegated to pop or pop metal or something.

Don't be a fanboy. And in the future, don't dare tell me where to post.[/QUOTE]
I'm not being a fanboy, it's just that you have something against metallica and it seems like blatant nonsense and it seems like your just trying to provoke a fight. Just because you think they sold out after cliff died dosen't mean they did. It's just your observation

[QUOTE=^Dream~Theater^]I'm not being a fanboy, it's just that you have something against metallica and it seems like blatant nonsense. Just because you think they sold out after cliff died dosen't mean they did. It's just your observation[/QUOTE]

Wrong.

It's my entire generation's observation. I don't know anyone my age who likes them anymore, and all my friends who loved them as I did once agree.

They make music for your generation now. The MTV generation. You guys don't get it.

Actually, I truly have nothing good to say here. So maybe me trolling in here for my personal amusement is not such a good idea. However, they are liars. They sold out.

Put Ride the Lightning on.

Then put Black on.

Tell me there is even a shred of commonality. Tell me they sound like the same band.

Tell me that after hearing St. Anger that it sounds even remotely like Master of Puppets.

Can you? Can you hear a tinge of Enter Sandman in any of their previous music? If Enter Sandman is so similar to their other music, how come I never heard Leper Messiah on the radio? Or Sanitarium?

I will go away now. A bitter old school fan of a what was once among the better speed/thrash bands. Now a pop metal crapper.

[QUOTE=DBoon's Ghost]Wrong.

It's my entire generation's observation. I don't know anyone my age who likes them anymore, and all my friends who loved them as I did once agree.

They make music for your generation now. The MTV generation. You guys don't get it.

Actually, I truly have nothing good to say here. So maybe me trolling in here for my personal amusement is not such a good idea. However, they are liars. They sold out.

Put Ride the Lightning on.

Then put Black on.

Tell me there is even a shred of commonality. Tell me they sound like the same band.

Tell me that after hearing St. Anger that it sounds even remotely like Master of Puppets.

Can you? Can you hear a tinge of Enter Sandman in any of their previous music? If Enter Sandman is so similar to their other music, how come I never heard Leper Messiah on the radio? Or Sanitarium?

I will go away now. A bitter old school fan of a what was once among the better speed/thrash bands. Now a pop metal crapper.[/QUOTE]
So a band has to sound the same all the time do they? Why is it that they can't try something new? If every band stayed the same, there would be no evolution. Music for my gen? I'm not 12 bud

[QUOTE=^Dream~Theater^]So a band has to sound the same all the time do they? Why is it that they can't try something new? If every band stayed the same, there would be no evolution. Music for my gen? I'm not 12 bud[/QUOTE]

Didnt say you were 12 dude. I'm not attacking you personally either. You're just too much of a fan to see the truth.

However, if you are going to sit there with a straight face and say that they changed to more suit "popular" versus "metal" I will have to call you either ignorant or brainwashed. They aren't a metal band. From Black on they sucked so bad it made me want to puke. I own them all too. I bought every single one hoping and praying they would at least play fast. Live? They shortened good songs.. Massacred them even. All so they host singalongs with bad pop metal poopoo.

It's not even bad music, but to try and tell me they didn't go soft to sell more albums is blatent lying.

Anyways like I said, I don't know you. Don't take it personal. I'm entitled to my opinion, and I chose to voice it here in this thread.

well when you look at all of Metallica's CD you notice that on every CD that there is a memorialable song on each for the true metalheads. Example: for me it would be: The Four Horseman, Fight Fire with Fire, Sanitarium, Eye of the Beholder, Of Wolf and Man, King Nothing, The Memory Remains, Mercyful Fate(even if they murdered Mercyful Fate's best songs), Stone Dead Forever, and The Unnamed Feeling.

I did not name S&M or Bunge&Purge because they are like greast's hits CDs

All to all of you how many think that I'm a newb/n00b your r wrong. and 2 prove that just go 2 Raven's Nest (Powered by Invision Power Boards) and look for a member under the name of Knives. I'm one of the most repected members there and I have over 370 post

Who cares if metallica sold out. Just because they did (not even saying they did), doesnt mean i cant listen to KEA and RTL when i want. Its stupid to stop listening to a band you like because theyre new material is popular.

[QUOTE=DBoon's Ghost]Wrong.

It's my entire generation's observation. I don't know anyone my age who likes them anymore, and all my friends who loved them as I did once agree.

They make music for your generation now. The MTV generation. You guys don't get it.

Actually, I truly have nothing good to say here. So maybe me trolling in here for my personal amusement is not such a good idea. However, they are liars. They sold out.

Put Ride the Lightning on.

Then put Black on.

Tell me there is even a shred of commonality. Tell me they sound like the same band.

Tell me that after hearing St. Anger that it sounds even remotely like Master of Puppets.

Can you? Can you hear a tinge of Enter Sandman in any of their previous music? If Enter Sandman is so similar to their other music, how come I never heard Leper Messiah on the radio? Or Sanitarium?

I will go away now. A bitter old school fan of a what was once among the better speed/thrash bands. Now a pop metal crapper.[/QUOTE]


i couldn't agree more. metallica's music changed so much after cliff died. i was only two when metallica put out the black album, so i don't have any opinions about when it came out, but after listening to Ride the Lightning, And Justice For All, and Master Of Puppets and comparing it to the Black Album, i noticed that the music was more rock n roll than the classic metallica metal sound.

to the enter sandman point---yes, i can. wah pedal

leper messiah imo isn't that amazing of a song. i hear puppets, one, and fade to black on the radio all the time. i hear welcome home every now and then, but never leper messiah

[QUOTE=DBoon's Ghost]Didnt say you were 12 dude. I'm not attacking you personally either. You're just too much of a fan to see the truth.

However, if you are going to sit there with a straight face and say that they changed to more suit "popular" versus "metal" I will have to call you either ignorant or brainwashed. They aren't a metal band. From Black on they sucked so bad it made me want to puke. I own them all too. I bought every single one hoping and praying they would at least play fast. Live? They shortened good songs.. Massacred them even. All so they host singalongs with bad pop metal poopoo.

It's not even bad music, but to try and tell me they didn't go soft to sell more albums is blatent lying.

Anyways like I said, I don't know you. Don't take it personal. I'm entitled to my opinion, and I chose to voice it here in this thread.[/QUOTE]
Well i seen them on their recent tour and i can tell you that they are most certainly metal and they owned the show(Only playing 2 St.Anger tracks, but added solo's and played them twice as fast) They tried to do something knew, can you blame them after playing the same style for 20 years? If you like it then good. But no need to come in here and bash them on your personal views of how they sold out and how they aren't metal anymore.

[QUOTE=^Dream~Theater^]Well i seen them on their recent tour and i can tell you that they are most certainly metal and they owned the show(Only playing 2 St.Anger tracks, but added solo's and played them twice as fast) They tried to do something knew, can you blame them after playing the same style for 20 years? If you like it then good. But no need to come in here and bash them on your personal views of how they sold out and how they aren't metal anymore.[/QUOTE]

Precisely. The shows definetly pwned, and they're still metal.

When Tool got bashed a little for not being as angry as they used to on Lateralus, Maynard simply said if you want the old kind of music, listen to the old CDs, they're still there. Having something new is far better than having something the same. Same goes for Metallica.

You got 4 amazing albums all lined up (5 for us black album fans). They changed a little bit as time went on. But it's nice being able to switch differen't sounds while listening to music, and still be listening to Metallica, because Metallica can do that, and well.

Bah...

Evolving is normal in a band's lifecycle.

Like comparing Slayer's Hell Awaits album with God Hates Us All. You can tell it's the same band driven by the same music. Same amount of time passed as Metallica. Yet, they remain different bands do they not? My wife likes Enter Sandman. She likes Madonna for christ's sake! I put on Disposable Heroes, she's like.. "turn this trash off".. I'm like.. "but honey.. It's the same people who sing that Sandman song you like".. she's like.. "Oh well they were smart for becoming more commercial".. I'm like.. "ARRRGGHHH!!!!"

The songs I used I pulled out of my butt, with no ryhme or reason. It's just so obvious to so many people but not to their fans.

I am not trying to convince anyone to abandon them and throw away all their Metallica CDs.

Maybe I think it would be best for me to scan in them old articles. If anything, maybe then you'd understand.

[QUOTE=Sliptallica]Precisely. The shows definetly pwned, and they're still metal.

When Tool got bashed a little for not being as angry as they used to on Lateralus, Maynard simply said if you want the old kind of music, listen to the old CDs, they're still there. Having something new is far better than having something the same. Same goes for Metallica.

You got 4 amazing albums all lined up (5 for us black album fans). They changed a little bit as time went on. But it's nice being able to switch differen't sounds while listening to music, and still be listening to Metallica, because Metallica can do that, and well.[/QUOTE]

I hate when people use pwn or own to describe something. It's so f*cking moronic I want to puke.

If you would like to talk with the big boys, leave the f*cking AOL chat lingo at the door because as soon as I see "pwn" or "own" I immediately see a drooling retard hunched over him mommy's PC chatting with his intarweb dood's on AIM.

Which means you don't know jack. So.. please.. Let's use big boy words ok?

[QUOTE=DBoon's Ghost]Bah...

Evolving is normal in a band's lifecycle.

Like comparing Slayer's Hell Awaits album with God Hates Us All. You can tell it's the same band driven by the same music. Same amount of time passed as Metallica. Yet, they remain different bands do they not? My wife likes Enter Sandman. She likes Madonna for christ's sake! I put on Disposable Heroes, she's like.. "turn this trash off".. I'm like.. "but honey.. It's the same people who sing that Sandman song you like".. she's like.. "Oh well they were smart for becoming more commercial".. I'm like.. "ARRRGGHHH!!!!"

The songs I used I pulled out of my butt, with no ryhme or reason. It's just so obvious to so many people but not to their fans.

I am not trying to convince anyone to abandon them and throw away all their Metallica CDs.

Maybe I think it would be best for me to scan in them old articles. If anything, maybe then you'd understand.[/QUOTE]
I'm basically just saying that, you can't knock a band for trying something new, You can't expect a band to stay the same forever. Just because they dont play the music you want them too dosen't mean that they suck.

[QUOTE=^Dream~Theater^]I'm basically just saying that, you can't knock a band for trying something new. Just because they dont play the music you want them too dosen't mean that they suck.[/QUOTE]

No.. it doesn't mean they suck. It means they sold out.

Mission accomplished!

Hehe.. :thumb:

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