[QUOTE=irishslappop;13466541]jesus christ thank you.[/QUOTE]

How is that a fu[SIZE="2"]cking[/SIZE] flaw?!

Since I just uploaded this for another thread I thought I'd link from here too so you guys have some backround music if you want...

[url]http://www.thorbass.com/sounds/sonata3.mp3[/url]

[QUOTE=Akira;13466582]It's as true as possible. Math is a human method of quantifying reality. 1+1+2 is "true" as calling grass green. Why is grass green? Because at some point someone decided that the color of grass is called green.[/QUOTE]

i agree.

[QUOTE=me]you think that car you saw today was acully black?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=irishslappop;13466576]correct. were taught from birth that 1+3 is 4. but if we were taught that 1 + 3 is 12 from our birth, you guys would be defending that statement "because it's true you ****zoring moron lol."[/QUOTE]

You are right. And if we as humans decided grass is pink and horses are really called unicorns, that would be "true" too. You are losing the concept of names. If you are going to argue about math you have to argue the same idea to everything.

[quote] Originally Posted by me
you think that car you saw today was acully black?[/quote]
That's just dumb. Of course it's black. It's black because we say it is. You cannot apply concrete ideas of "truth" to an abstract concept like a name.

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;13466585]How is that a fu[SIZE="2"]cking[/SIZE] flaw?![/QUOTE]

2 =/= -2

2^2 = 4

-2^2 = 4
^^^ that defies ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL logic. you only accept it because school drilled it into your head that, "this is ok, it still works lol."

im not arguing the usefulness of math, if there was a better way, we'd use it. but ITS NOT TRUE. knowing mathematics is not ataining knowledge. does a computer [B]know[/B] what a 2 is? of coarse it ****ing doesn't man. its just a tool, there's no truth in it that your looking for.

[QUOTE=Akira;13466602]You are right. And if we as humans decided grass is pink and horses are really called unicorns, that would be "true" too. You are losing the concept of names. If you are going to argue about math you have to argue the same idea to everything.[/QUOTE]

[SIZE="7"]YES YES:chug: [/SIZE]

im saying that there cant be truth in anything. except truth itsself.

you gotta think guys. question what they tell you. do you really think that america went to war with iraq because of WOMD? OF COARSE YOU DONT. but before the "truth came out" we were all like "omfg kill those beeches, they gots the WOMD, my government told me so."

its the exsact same concept with anything they tell you in school, or in church, or what your parents say, anything.

[QUOTE=irishslappop;13466625]2 =/= -2

2^2 = 4

-2^2 = 4
^^^ that defies ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL logic. you only accept it because school drilled it into your head that, "this is ok, it still works lol."

im not arguing the usefulness of math, if there was a better way, we'd use it. but ITS NOT TRUE. knowing mathematics is not ataining knowledge. does a computer [B]know[/B] what a 2 is? of coarse it ****ing doesn't man. its just a tool, theres not truth that your looking for.[/QUOTE]

2^2=2 x 2
-2^2=-2 x -2
-2 x -2=4

[QUOTE=irishslappop;13466576]correct. were taught from birth that 1+3 is 4. but if we were taught that 1 + 3 is 12 from our birth, you guys would be defending that statement "because it's true you ****zoring moron lol."[/QUOTE]

Uhh...

1+3=4 because we all know how to count and add numbers together.

Let me try to explain this...

People used to think the Earth was flat. This was regarded as fact and truth because there was no disputing it at that time. They couldn't disprove it. Eventually they discovered that it is actually round, which we know is a fact know.
The Earth is something that existed already and they were using their knowledge of it to come to the conclusions that they did.

Mathematics and numbers were INVENTED by man, they did not exist beforehand. There is nothing new to find out about 1+1 because it already has an answer that is set in stone, 2. We're not going to suddenly get some new information by doing equation after equation that tells us, oh, 1+1 is actually 3.

it's not the same though, numbers are names of how many of something there is

1 dot = .
2 dots = ..

1 dot + 2 dots = ...

2 dots x 2 dots = ....

but, if we represent -2 as a color, in today's mathematics

[COLOR="yellow"]2 dots x 2 dots =[/COLOR]....

That doesn't make sense unless im getting all this theory **** confused

[QUOTE=Ting;13466641]2^2=2 x 2
-2^2=-2 x -2
-2 x -2=4[/QUOTE]

Actually, it would be 2^2=2 x 2, so 2 x 2 = 4; however, -2^2 = -1 x 2 x 2, which would then, essentially, come out as -4. The one is just "invisible" as some would say. If it were (-2)^2 then, yes, that does equal -2 x -2, which does equal 4.

whos watching south park? the dog the bounty hunter thing was hilarious.

i am, funny stuff.

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;13466652]Uhh...

1+3=4 because we all know how to count and add numbers together.

Let me try to explain this...

People used to think the Earth was flat. This was regarded as fact and truth because there was no disputing it at that time. They couldn't disprove it. Eventually they discovered that it is actually round, which we know is a fact know.
The Earth is something that existed already and they were using their knowledge of it to come to the conclusions that they did.


so if they were invented by man, 1 has NO MEANING, only the meaning that one man decided to give it. 1 is nothing, a concept, a theory.
Mathematics and numbers were INVENTED by man, they did not exist beforehand. There is nothing new to find out about 1+1 because it already has an answer that is set in stone, 2. We're not going to suddenly get some new information by doing equation after equation that tells us, oh, 1+1 is actually 3.[/QUOTE]

exsactly, invented by man. one mans rules are right and the rest are wrong?

if he wanted to he could have said "1+1 = 3" and today, right now, you'd be arguing that 1+1=3. i think were having trouble articulating this in text.

Both MSN and myspace are being retarded and you people are blathering about math.

I'm so bored.

[QUOTE=Mr. Pickle;13466692]whos watching south park? the dog the bounty hunter thing was hilarious.[/QUOTE]

im waiting for it to get uploaded so I can bask in its glory

[quote=BenJammin]Both MSN and myspace are being retarded and you people are blathering about math.

I'm so bored.[/quote]

[img]http://nismo.me.uk/images/you_suck_sad.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=BenJammin;13466701]Both MSN and myspace are being retarded and you people are blathering about math.

I'm so bored.[/QUOTE]

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Get AIM, we will talk :p

[QUOTE=BenJammin;13466701]Both MSN and myspace are being retarded and you people are blathering about math.

I'm so bored.[/QUOTE]

123

but you guys are still reading it -_-

[QUOTE=Left Shoe]123[/QUOTE]

Quit complaining and go play your TRB's you. . . you. . . TRB owning jerk! :upset:

















:lol:

[QUOTE=jcs497;13466714]123456789

Get AIM, we will talk :p[/QUOTE]

AIM is terrible.

And I don't know if you saw that I responded to your blog comment, but the CDs are $5.

[QUOTE=Aerodyne;13466733]Quit complaining and go play your TRB's you. . . you. . . TRB owning jerk! :upset:

:lol:[/QUOTE]

Judd, I'm pretty disappointed with the FFV piano collection. It lacks a lot feeling in the playing and the piano was very bland sounding.

[QUOTE=irishslappop;13466625]2 =/= -2

2^2 = 4

-2^2 = 4
[/QUOTE]
It's because it's negative two (-2) negative two (-2) times.

So...

-2 * 1 = -2

That shows -2 one time.

-2 * -1 = 2

That shows -2 negative one times. Negative, being the opposite of positive, so when a negative number is multiplied by another negative, you are showing what happens when that negative is shown a negative number of times, thus making it positive.

That probably wasn't clear at all (because it's damn hard explaining it in detailed words like that), but you're just being difficult for the sake of being difficult.

[img]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b389/bwolf06/Funny/rex3d.gif[/img]

this picture is weird, something about it

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;13466744]It's because it's negative two (-2) negative two (-2) times.

So...

-2 * 1 = -2

That shows -2 one time.

-2 * -1 = 2

That shows -2 negative one times. Negative, being the opposite of positive, so when a negative number is multiplied by another negative, you are showing what happens when that negative is shown a negative number of times, thus making it positive.

That probably wasn't clear at all (because it's damn hard explaining it in detailed words like that), but you're just being difficult for the sake of being difficult.[/QUOTE]
I already posted that?

[QUOTE=BenJammin;13466735]AIM is terrible.

And I don't know if you saw that I responded to your blog comment, but the CDs are $5.[/QUOTE]

Ooooh thanks, I probably wouldn't have checked back :p

Shipping...?

[QUOTE=Phalanx;13466750][img]http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b389/bwolf06/Funny/rex3d.gif[/img]

this picture is weird, something about it[/QUOTE]

Thats fuc[I]k[/I]ing sick.

[QUOTE=Ting;13466756]Thats ****!ng sick.[/QUOTE]

And causing me to have a seizure.

[QUOTE="Pluperfect_Arson"]Actually, it would be 2^2=2 x 2, so 2 x 2 = 4; however, -2^2 = -1 x 2 x 2, which would then, essentially, come out as -4. The one is just "invisible" as some would say. If it were (-2)^2 then, yes, that does equal -2 x -2, which does equal 4.[/QUOTE]

myspace works!


pff i am playing it

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;13466744]but you're just being difficult for the sake of being difficult.[/QUOTE]

:wave:





do you think weed is green? assuming its not some bomb purple-erple?

whoa that pic^^^

Yeah. I would have to agree. It has one or two good songs, but for the most part, yes, moste blande. *recieves two monocles on the prenentious-ness scale*

Brink of Time if effing amazing and the Grand Finale isn't bad either. :thumb:

[QUOTE=irishslappop;13466698]exsactly, invented by man. one mans rules are right and the rest are wrong?

if he wanted to he could have said "1+1 = 3" and today, right now, you'd be arguing that 1+1=3. i think were having trouble articulating this in text.[/QUOTE]

I'm with Spiff on this one, because, the way I see it, you're not arguing logic, but you're arguing the definition of something.

If they thought us that 1+3 = 12, we would eventually grow and see it's illogical, just like we saw that Santa Clause was an illogical concept. And if someone said 1 + 1 is 3, he would be either wrong, or his concept of 3 is actually 2.

[QUOTE=irishslappop;13466698]exsactly, invented by man. one mans rules are right and the rest are wrong?

if he wanted to he could have said "1+1 = 3" and today, right now, you'd be arguing that 1+1=3. i think were having trouble articulating this in text.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for not comprehending what my post was saying.

It's okay, it happens to the best of us every now and then.

[QUOTE=jcs497;13466753]Ooooh thanks, I probably wouldn't have checked back :p

Shipping...?[/QUOTE]

I have no idea. I can't imagine it'd be that expensive to ship a CD. I've yet to look into it yet, since I don't have cover art for the CDs so they're not technically for sale yet.

[QUOTE=Aerodyne;13466775]Yeah. I would have to agree. It has one or two good songs, but for the most part, yes, moste blande. *recieves two monocles on the prenentious-ness scale*

Brink of Time if effing amazing and the Grand Finale isn't bad either. :thumb:[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Brink of Time is totally the s[size=2]hit[/size].

[QUOTE=irishslappop;13466767]do you think weed is green? assuming its not some bomb purple-erple?[/QUOTE]

:lol:

Weed would look like the color that it is regardless, green is the name that color was given.

The color was not invented, the name was.

I finally played the intro to classical thump well.

[QUOTE=Radiobass81;13466779]or his concept of 3 is actually 2.[/QUOTE]

this is what im arguing. im not arguing that a single apple and a single apple make two apples, thats very "true". im arguing that if you were told from day 1 that 1+3=12 you would believe it, because it was told to you as truth.

numbers aren;t anything, they dont exist. can you punch the number one? of course you cant. number are what humans made them. they have no inherent traits because there is nothing inherent about them. it's a technicality, but the world runs off of them.

you cant say, i percieve this pen as black, but i know that it may not be and then say, all numbers have an inherent value, they;re both human constructs, its the same thing.

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;13466793]:lol:

Weed would look like the color that it is regardless, green is the name that color was given.

The color was not invented, the name was.[/QUOTE]

Correct.

The way I see it, either Irish is discussing being taught illogical things, or being taught something if the definition of one thing was replaced by another (the value of three and the value of two, for example).