23. What of it?

I'm not gonna bother with this one.

[QUOTE=Invicta_Veritas;15619041]No soloing clips, just the songs on my myspace with solos in them. myspace.com/ausgeblutet

EDIT: Maby I'll record some improv so you can all laugh at how much I really suck.

Edit again: Here's me just f[size=2]u[/size]ckin' around @ 200 BPM

[URL]http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TTN3KAM9[/URL][/QUOTE]
the file you are trying to access is temporarily unavailable. ****. i'll try again later.
am i the only guitar player that's not recorded in a studio? I always hear people talking about their studio time.
but i'm going to guess from the previous page that your EQ for tone is a little something like:
Mid: -10
Treble: 7-8
Bass: 8-9
Reverb: 0

[QUOTE=Invicta_Veritas;15620107]23. What of it?[/QUOTE]

You don't act it.

There's a difference between engineers and musicians who know me and my music, and a bunch of kids on the internet who have heard mp3's of my music, which have an 11:1 compression ratio and have 1/10th of the frequencies the music was originally recorded with.

For anybody to talk about tone based on mp3's is ridiculous, let alone anything else.


I'm done; I'm not even going to continue this.

[QUOTE=Invicta_Veritas;15620138]There's a difference between engineers and musicians who know me and my music, and a bunch of kids on the internet who have heard mp3's of my music, which have an 11:1 compression ratio and have 1/10th of the frequencies the music was originally recorded with.[/QUOTE]

Compression doesn't have enough of an effect on tone to say that our opinions are discredited.

And just because we arent ****ing polytechnical engineers doesn't mean we can't have an opinion. We have ears, you know.

[quote=Cocaine;15620142]Compression doesn't have enough of an effect on tone to say that our opinions are discredited.
[/quote]

.mp3 and .WAV files are created by removing frequencies from the music. In the case of mp3's, they remove 90%, leaving behind only the most important information and deleting any and all overtones and harmonics. How does that not affect tone? Now it's getting ridiculous. Timbre (tone) is a product of those harmonics.

[QUOTE=Invicta_Veritas;15620152].mp3 and .WAV files are created by removing frequencies from the music. In the case of mp3's, they remove 90%, leraving behind only the most important information and deleting any and all overtones and harmonics. How does that not affect tone? Now it's getting ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

Holy **** you're pretty stupid for someone who's studying audio.

That's like saying an mp3 you downloaded isn't an accurate depiction of a song because it removed "90%".

bullshit

[QUOTE=Cocaine;15620161]Holy **** you're pretty stupid for someone who's studying audio.

That's like saying an mp3 you downloaded isn't an accurate depiction of a song because it removed "90%".[/QUOTE]

well, his point is that the tone can change, not the song itself, and people are complaining about the tone, not the song itself.

[QUOTE=masscows;15620168]well, his point is that the tone can change, not the song itself, and people are complaining about the tone, not the song itself.[/QUOTE]

Yeah but do you honestly believe that audio compression can have such an impact on tone that it would completely alter our perception of it?

That's totally asinine.

Well it is harder to enjoy a song if the tone is bad, that is all part of the songwriting/recording process.

[QUOTE=Cocaine;15620161]That's like saying an mp3 you downloaded isn't an accurate depiction of a song because it removed "90%".[/QUOTE]
basically.

Regardless, if your tone is worse due to compression, so is [B]EVERY OTHER BAND'S[/B] tone due to compression, therefore giving us a valid comparison.

[quote=Cocaine;15620170]Yeah but do you honestly believe that audio compression can have such an impact on tone that it would completely alter our perception of it?

That's totally asinine.[/quote]

It can, and it does. We spent a week listening to sh[size=2]i[/size]t side by side, complete aiff files by mp3 files, and it becomes incredibly obvious how much music sonically changes. I'm not going to even bother writing you a ****ing essay on why and how. I've got an entire shelf of textbooks on this sh[size=2]i[/size]t; I don't need to convince you the information is accurate.



Mappy: Yea, and to me a 128 kbps mp3 of any other black metal band sounds just as bad if not worse.

[QUOTE=Invicta_Veritas;15620193]It can, and it does. We spent a week listening to **** side by side, complete aiff files by mp3 files, and it becomes incredibly obvious how much music sonically changes. I'm not going to even bother writing you a ****ing essay on why and how. I've got an entire shelf of textbooks on this poop; I don't need to convince you the information is accurate.[/QUOTE]

You dont need to convince me. I'm well aware of what compression is and what it does. My point is you can't tell me that it has such an effect on your tone that we're unable to make a valid statement about it.

Sargeist, Blut Aus Nord, Enslaved, Emperor, Endstille. All of those bands have a far more appealing tone.

And for the record, my favorite guitar tone in any black metal is Herbst.

[quote=Cocaine;15620198]You dont need to convince me. I'm well aware of what compression is and what it does. My point is you can't tell me that it has such an effect on your tone that we're unable to make a valid statement about it.[/quote]


You're acting as if I completely don't know what I'm talking about though. That was my point with that statement.

And like I said before, it really does trash the sonic quality of any recording, and an mp3 of any other black metal band sounds just as bad to me.

sup IAR?

[QUOTE=Invicta_Veritas;15620210]You're acting as if I completely don't know what I'm talking about though. That was my point with that statement.

And like I said before, it really does trash the sonic quality of any recording, and an mp3 of any other black metal band sounds just as bad to me.[/QUOTE]
i really need to hear this song.

jesus christ i've listened to Crimson from EoS two times today alone, and then once yesterday and once the day before that. Don't know why i'm on this kick but i'm liking it.

I'm currently uploading a song with good guitar tone for black metal. :o

If you want to hear songs, go to my myspace. The thing that started the arguement was a clip of me dicking around doing some shredding; don't get all excited over it.

Here's the thing, alright? (Besides all the **** I can tell you as to why my **** on the net doesn't sound so good). **** that. My biggest thing is that I have done a complete 180 with my tone in the past couple of years, and have some people raving about it, yet everyone on here still has some **** to say about it, thus making me lose my faith in everyone's ears here.

Yus but I'm saying overall hon.

[url]http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/7/9/1252962/MOAR%20LIKE%20HERBST%20OLD.mp3[/url]

Erik Knipe = master of sonic perception!!1

Seriously BRA, this minute long clip that I recorded in about 5 minutes, without any monitoring/whatever at all sounds better in terms of tone than yours.

[url]http://www.mediafire.com/?0tuwtjzmtg5[/url]

Your tone is incredibly abrasive and unpleasing, I find it really hard to believe that compression affects it THAT much.

Mappy: That's even more buzzsaw-y than my ****.


You're fired.

that's probably because it's black metal

[QUOTE=Invicta_Veritas;15620271]Mappy: That's even more buzzsaw-y than my ****.


You're fired.[/QUOTE]

It fits his music though.

[QUOTE=Luc214;15620262]Seriously BRA, this minute long clip that I recorded in about 5 minutes, without any monitoring/whatever at all sounds better in terms of tone than yours.

[url]http://www.mediafire.com/?0tuwtjzmtg5[/url]

Your tone is incredibly abrasive and unpleasing, I find it really hard to believe that compression affects it THAT much.[/QUOTE]
did you do the drums on that clip or was that a drum machine, etc. and i already heard the song anyway but the riff at :44 or so is pretty cool.

I play black metal, dipsh[size=2]i[/size]t.


@ masscows

They were programmed using Cubase and Ezdrummer with the DKFH expansion.