I don't think Behemoth is that technical, except for the drums. The guitars are actually quite simple..

Who gives a ****, bands like this are much better:
[url]http://www.myspace.com/nazoultimatewarriors[/url]

Man this thread has been pretty gay lately.

Yeah its becuz u havnt been postin

[QUOTE=masscows;15612254]Read the past 3 pages for my position on the topic. Obituary is horribly generic, bland as hell, musically untalented and can't write more than one type of song.

Do you know why Cause of Death and Slowly We Rot are the only Obituary albums anyone cares about? Not because they're the best, but because they repeated the [b]same exact thing[/b] for 20 years after that. And the worst part is they aren't even good at what they do.[/QUOTE]


You know what? Ignoring the absolute bollocks about Behemoth being anything other than second-rate, I almost agree with this. Obituary HAVE released the same album six or seven times. And they're not that original because they're just downtuned Celtic Frost riffs.

BUT (and it's a big but) downtuned Celtic Frost riffs are automatically cool. And Obituary are ace.

Since when Death Metal HAS TO BE technical (like in the discussion of behemoth)?!

i liked Obituary for several weeks and yeah, they are good, but i'm NOT an expert(!) to say if they are talented or not... i just don't have death-knowledge.

i prefer the new Death Metal bands like Necrophagist and of course the more Melodic bands like, behemoth - they aren't "melodic" in the sense of DT or IF, but i just don't like the BR00TAL sound of those death metal bands, out there... i get bored pretty soon.

[QUOTE=repcak;15616986]Since when Death Metal HAS TO BE technical [/QUOTE]

Thank you!

[sic].

But yeah I hate when technicality is a point of emphasis. I love it, to a point, but you need actual songs to carry the focus.

I like techy bands that...sound good. Atheist and Anata come to mind.

Yea, bands that use it to accent their music rather than to hide their lack of songwriting ability.

It's the equivalent of thesaurus abuse in writing. Dweedly weedly.

The capacity of human intelligence seems to limit the capabilities to expand upon any possible creative aptitudes. Indeed, if one cannot even notice the facets that the ingenuities around him are comprised of, how can he be expected to fashion a beast of his own? This inveterate sense of constraint is a great blow to the veracity of mankind’s abilities. It restrains us and holds our minds to the ground below, averting any possibility of rising above ourselves to something greater; something not fathomed by the conventional mind. This concept of seeking to go beyond one’s self, known as “transcendence”, is essentially a gateway to unlocking pieces of ourselves that can lead to some of the most elaborate and significant creations of our world. For many, this quest to transcend and form creations that were once considered unthinkable and overwhelming consumes life. Certainly it is rare to find such people, but when they are found, creative barriers are destroyed.

[QUOTE=Cocaine;15617153]Yea, bands that use it to accent their music rather than to hide their lack of songwriting ability.

It's the equivalent of thesaurus abuse in writing. Dweedly weedly.[/QUOTE]

I conflict, I ponder utilising the glossary in prose is seamlessly satisfactory and does not revolutionize the implication at all.

You must spread some reputation around before giving it to pate again.

The reviews on anus.com are far worse though. Not necessarily thesaurus abuse, but I'd equate it to tech metal in its effect.

For relevance sake, this is taken from the Cause of Death review:

[QUOTE]Feathering movements of chords dive into large conclusions and race through changes to explode into their antithesis, a vengeful recursion of an opening theme in its backward logic affirming all of the negative spaces previously cordoned off by the directionality of melody.[/QUOTE]

tl;dr The music changes a lot.

their black metal reviews are even more ridiculous

Ridiculous reviews for ridiculous music.

YEAH I WENT THERE

Obituary reviews can't be anything like that.

They should just be something like "CRUSHING RIFFS AND JOHN TARDY = HEADBANGING" and I'm good to go.

I believe it is a natural human phenomenon to solidify preconceptions, thus creating "systems" as a way of rationalizing forms of knowledge without having to experiance them. This translates to having theoretical knowledge, rather than practical knowledge. Both are necessary for maximum relatability for art forms, but may only restrict the "art" to it's origins. One has to transcend his/her own pretense as mentioned before. What this means in this day and age is something wholly impractical to those looking to maintain the standards of their instituitions and the standard of society. Art form that comes with no reference point would only be seen in a cynical light.

I'd say that Martyr - Warpzone is a good tech death album. It does all the twisty-turny widdly "swallow" my own riff up and crap it out in an intricatly shaped coil; all seemingly on their own terms.

I'd really like Martyr if both their vocalists didn't suck.

[QUOTE=Deth;15617197]They should just be something like "CRUSHING RIFFS AND JOHN TARDY = HEADBANGING" and I'm good to go.[/QUOTE]

Because that's all they are ffs.

And DM doesn't have to be technical, I explained why I like Behemoth pages ago and if anyone has any good reasons (none so far) that would prove they aren't good, I'll consider not liking them (or something?).[QUOTE=Angmar;15615004]Hey lol, you know Behemoth is so innovative and original. OMG we wear corpse paint and are Br00tal!!! Obituary is original, just deal with it, they have an incredibly awesome sound with perfect vocals. You don't have to like it but saying is Obituary is less creative and innovative than Behemoth is like saying Darkthrone are unoriginal and Dark Funeral are much more innovative. Sorry but you crossed the line sir! :evil:[/QUOTE]Pretty good point, but I never said Behemoth were more innovative for one. I said they were musically ahead of Obituary, ie, they write better songs and play better riffs, and while they do add their own unique twist to things, they aren't reinventing the genre by any means.

I see Darkthrone as being better than Dark Funeral though, I don't think I need to explain why (Dark Funeral is "brutal" black metal bullshit...)

[quote=Cocaine]The reviews on anus.com are far worse though. Not necessarily thesaurus abuse, but I'd equate it to tech metal in its effect. [/quote]

Anus.com is horrible.

[quote=Martyr]I'd say that Martyr - Warpzone is a good tech death album. It does all the twisty-turny widdly "swallow" my own riff up and crap it out in an intricatly shaped coil; all seemingly on their own terms.[/quote]

Martyr sucks ***. If anyone remembers my comment in the "\m/" thread about a band getting pissy at the crowd for clapping instead of throwing horns and moshing, it was them.

Their bassist/low growler was an interesting guy though.

[QUOTE=pate;15617320]Anus.com is horrible.



Martyr sucks ***. If anyone remembers my comment in the "\m/" thread about a band getting pissy at the crowd for clapping instead of throwing horns and moshing, it was them.

Their bassist/low growler was an interesting guy though.[/QUOTE]

No doubt, they are french canadian. Besides that I'd say that their music especially on warpzone hovers over new ground, but there's obvious moments where their music is just hinting at something good. I really couldnt care what kind of people they are though, since I'm not a fanboy.

Also yeah their vocalists suck, but most vocalists suck. And in the case of Martyr it works well because they sound like robots who happen to be constipated. I'd say there are few vocalists around who actually try something other than the typical growls.

I'd also recommend listening to OLD - Lo Flux Tube. It's a very unique album, especially for its time.

I dont know what them being french canadian has to do with them allegedly sucking *** because if there's one thing quebec has going for them it's their music scene.

[QUOTE=Cocaine;15617368]I dont know what them being french canadian has to do with them allegedly sucking *** because if there's one thing quebec has going for them it's their music scene.[/QUOTE]

I meant that they're probably a little pompous.

*waits for epic reply*

[QUOTE=pate;15617150]I like techy bands that...sound good. Atheist and Anata come to mind.[/QUOTE]

slipknot

If anything being French Canadian just means
- They can't drive, and never should
- They probably smoke too much
- They allegedly hate the English, yet even their "native" "French" is dependent on it.

Y'know.

[QUOTE=dick suck mayhem;15617383]slipknot[/QUOTE]

Nah they;'re too technical and wanky.