[QUOTE=Moses]You wrote the lyrics before the music? I always do that afterwards.[/QUOTE]
We write a little different than most. Sometime one of us will have a riff idea and well build on it. What we usually do is talk about what we want the song to be about and describe the emotions involved with it. Then well chart these emotions and start putting them to music.

Example. Say your writing about someone getting pissed off.

You would think of all the emotions involved with it. You have the feeling of normalcy before the event happens so this is where the song starts. You then have the act of what it is that pisses you off, that goes into the realization of what happened. You now have the reaction, which can be violent or aggressive. After this you have regret for what you did (if your regretful) or you have an elation of emotion from being happy by how you responded.

It all depends on how you want the song to flow and what you are writing about. We will chart out the above process and make these emotions come out through our instruments. So, you would have normalcy, suprise, violence or aggression, regret or elation, and however you want to end the song.

Lyrics are written for 2 purposes. We select the wording in ways to compliment the song with the harmonics of the words. THe 2nd edge of the lyrics is to give some clues as to what the song is about.

It's a long process but in the end I think people will really be able to connect with the music.

Do we get to hear crutch yet ken?

Here's some lyrics I've been working on last night.



Moonlight Shining Past The Pitch Black Diamond

Softly
Like a seeping stream
The moonlight
Dances by the
Opaque and black
Looking back to the ignorance
Missing out on
Such a gem

Calumny was predicted
They don’t see you as the true paragon
Acquaintances from past times
They misread the signs from the start.

My bet is no.

[QUOTE=Moses]Moonlight Shining Past The Pitch Black Diamond

Softly
Like a seeping stream
The moonlight
Dances by the
Opaque and black
Looking back to the ignorance
Missing out on
Such a gem

[B]Calumny[/B] was predicted
They don’t see you as the true paragon
Acquaintances from past times
They misread the signs from the start.[/QUOTE]

Good lyrics.

What is that word? Does it exist?

clumny=calumnia. yes tis a word :)

What does it mean?

[url]http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=calumny[/url]

there you go

[QUOTE=Maynard James Keenan]Good lyrics.

What is that word? Does it exist?[/QUOTE]
It means someone purposely hurting someone or somthing's reputation dishonestly. Look it up if you want a better explanation.

Okay, then.

Great lyrics anyways! :thumb:

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Moses]It means someone purposely hurting someone or somthing's reputation dishonestly. Look it up if you want a better explanation.[/QUOTE]

And ironically, a term used in catholic matters. So good link to tool :thumb:

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]And ironically, a term used in catholic matters. So good link to tool :[/QUOTE]
:confused: explain thattt

[QUOTE=Mr Herb]:confused: explain thattt[/QUOTE]

Schism, another term that is used in religious terms, mostly catholic/protestant though.

Calumny is another example of a word that is used by the catholic faith. Dont ask em what the special significance is though

I see. Schism pertains ti the grt separation between the orthodox church and the chatolic church.

fun stuff

I actually wasn't thinking of that when I wrote it but that's pretty interesting.

[QUOTE=Moses]I actually wasn't thinking of that when I wrote it but that's pretty interesting.[/QUOTE]

Maybe your subconscious did?

Maybe....

Hi guys.

I tried doing an Astral Projection last night. Too bad I failed. I was listening to Lateralus, and right when the "Spiral Out...Keep....Going" started, I started getting that feeling of Sleep Paralysis. I had it in my hands and lower legs. I felt really light, and wasn't worrying about anything. I need to keep trying. Its a good sort of meditation, and maybe one day I'll be able to have some OBE.


Don't you find it weird that when you try to concentrate and 'project', you focus around your Third Eye?

I posted up some Crutch recordings a while ago, we have some new stuff recorded. Lemme get it mastered this evening and I'll post up some. BTW, the guy that sings in Crutch, whom everyone says sounds like Maynard, is starting to post some on the forum.

I'd really like to hear them.

[QUOTE=Moses]I'd really like to hear them.[/QUOTE]


We'll see if we get to hear them I am curious to see what they sound like myself.

Alot of what I will post up is merely stuff in the process of being made, it is REALLY cool stuff. I have to run and buy some stuff for the beach, I'll be back later.

Anyone heard of this guy named Criss Angel who levitates on the A&E channel? I've seen some of that crap, and it's weird. Almost... believable?

I've been gone for thirty pages. Nothing new?

erm. There are strong indications there might be a realse on august 16th, posibly a dvd. Q magazine from Austrilia even has sort of an article about it but Blair aint said anything about it so its jsut rumors really

"[Tool's] new material sounds great....with twists like Lateralus but more immediate and punchy too, very dynamic"

Oi where did you get that quote from...tell before i kills ya!

It's from an anonymous source, but I think it's someone who knows Danny Carey. I don't really know to be honest, I just stumbled across it somewhere.

Where did you get it from, Kage?

You didn't need to actually hear their new material to know that that's what it's going to sound like. Danny Carey was quoted as saying, "it still has quirky tempo changes", i.e. little twists. And we already know it's heavier. So this could have come from anybody.

[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo]Where did you get it from, Kage?[/QUOTE]

Hehe Jake takes over the interrogation.

Are you under the impression that it may be their best work yet?

Yeah...details, please, I want to know who said that.

[QUOTE=Dried Muffin Remnants]Are you under the impression that it may be their best work yet?[/QUOTE]

It would be one of the greatest accomplishments in musical history to make Lateralus, an album considered the best of our time if not the actual best, and then make something even better.

Something does tell me however this album will be nothing short of amazing, though I'm trying not to be optimistic because no matter how good it is I'm going to have to listen to it multiple times to get into it. If I get my hopes up my first impression might be bad and I might dismiss it right away.

Man, if it's not better than Lateralus, these last few torturing months of waiting should would be worthless. :lol:

Well, maybe not worthless, but still, a letdown nonetheless.

[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo]Man, if it's not better than Lateralus, these last few torturing months of waiting should would be worthless. :lol:

Well, maybe not worthless, but still, a letdown nonetheless.[/QUOTE]

I'd say hoping it's better than Lateralus is keeping hopes way to high. All bands have their peak, and that was most likely Tool's. Doesn't mean they can't make phenomonal music still though.

I'm slightly optimistic. Tool have not disappointed in the past, and I'm just excited to be a fan right now.

Lateralus was actually a dissappointment to me, at first... surprisingly enough. I thought that Aenima was perfection and then I heard Schism and was VERY dissapointed. Schism is actually one of my favorite songs now. Maybe the new Tool album will have that same effect.

I hope they don't do the 5 epic song thing, though. While I enjoy Frances the Mute at times, I can't listen to it for too long. I need some contrast with shorter, more melodic songs.

I rate aenima higher than lateralus, because aenima progresses through the album.

You have your really rocky song like stinkfist eulogy and H. then it moves through to really pregressive epics like Push!t and third eye. But you hardly notice the change, it flows so well.

Whereas lateralus seems to start heavy, then drift away. It then comes back and hits you with parabol/a and ticks before fading away with D/R/T

If that makes any sense.

I know it has been mentioned, but everyone should check out the following bands that sound kind of similair.

Oceansize - manchester based prog. Their debut 'Effloresce' is quite frankly great. I hits you on first listen, but still retains replay value. Vocals are intersting and musicianship is great. The band make a very dreamy sound, without drifting into meaningless prog, they keep their songs as songs, unlike some bands take floyd for example...

Cog - Australian based rock/prog. Their Just visiting EP's are available on their sit. [url]http://www.cog.com.au[/url] (i think), and their album, released this year, titled 'the new normal' is hot stuff too. Cog are heavier than oceansize and more 'to the point' if you will. However they are slightly different from your normal listenings. Again vocals are top stuff, guitar work is pretty riff based and reminds me alot of jones' work.

I will do uploads if required, though not tonight :)

The thing that sucked about FtM was the fact that about 1/4 of it wasn't actually music, so I would sit there through the 70 minutes, and be bored out of my mind by the end because most of it wasn't even that stimulating. :-/

[url]http://www.cog.com.au[/url]

Fix'd the link. :) Cog is an amazing band. If you want to download any of their songs go to that site, then click on music, then scroll down to [I]Just Visiting[/I], that's where the mp3s lie. :-D I just review their album yesterday on Sputnik, too.