I'd imagine Tom to be a fairly decent guitarist, I mean he's only been playing for like 15 years..

Mmm, not really. I've been playing for 3 years now, and at one stage, after about 2 and a half years of playing I didn't pick up a guitar for over a week or two, I was just out everyday, but when I finally did, I sucked ***. I was worse than I was when I'd been playing for like 6 months. I've improved alot since then though, I can actually play guitar pretty decently now. :eek:
Anyways, the point of this little anecdote was that even if you've been playing a long time, if you stop for a while, you tend to lose [I]alot[/I] of skill, and I doubt Tom plays guitar everyday, and pratices scales and what-not.
Same thing goes for skateboarding... I just found that out today, I'm pathetic now, haha. Anyways...

[QUOTE=10571z;13267111]Tom may be a "bad" guitarists.. But barely any1 can make riffs and songs like him... His creativity is by far a larger asset then all those people in guitar forum playing "skilled music" which i believe sounds **** compared to toms little riff and 4 chords..[/QUOTE]

As someones already stated.

Mark wrote a hell of a lot of the riffs...

I'm almost in agreement with pppp. But it's best if you mix it up. Simple effective riffs and blistering crazy mad skill leads, you know?

Hmm. I've been playing guitar for about 10 years, and I'm not great but not bad either. If I don't play guitar for a few weeks I find my skill doesn't change massively, and it only takes 5 mins to pick it up again.

Yeah, I doubt Tom learns anything new about guitar. I doubt he gets a book or a teacher to teach him stuff that he doesn't know.
I have to say that even if songs are less complicated, and if they are power chord riffs they can sound awesome.
Just listen to the outro of Valkeryie Missle-however you spell that-

Indeed, as has been said countless times before; some of the best riffs are also the simplest.

Rage Against The Machine are a classic example of a band that has lots of awesome riffs, but for the most part they're real simple to play. Some of the solos though... wow. Hardness.

Again, Dammit would be a pop-punk example. Real simple, but real effective.

I wonder how many times I (and others) have posted that in this thread...

Mark wrote the Dammit riff

[QUOTE=Bad Blood;13268408]Mark wrote the Dammit riff[/QUOTE]

Yup.

Mark wrote all of Dammit in fact.

You all lose.

I win.

You lose.

I win.

[QUOTE]Tom may be a "bad" guitarists.. But barely any1 can make riffs and songs like him... His creativity is by far a larger asset then all those people in guitar forum playing "skilled music" which i believe sounds **** compared to toms little riff and 4 chords..[/QUOTE]
Dude he has like no creativity, it's not difficult at all to write a simple riff like he does :/

yes, we get it, you know everything.

Because Brandon does. Duh.:rolleyes:

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pre-order the Plus-44 album?

Nah, I'm never pre-ordering a CD again.
I pre-ordered WDNTW, and it came 2 weeks after the release date.
I'll just buy the +44 album when it hits stores.

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[QUOTE=I<3Jess;13269087]Dude he has like no creativity, it's not difficult at all to write a simple riff like he does :/[/QUOTE]

Are you stupid... You cant pull out riffs like that from nowhere... There easy to play but you need creativity... If its so easy why isnt everyone famous like blink 182...

[QUOTE=10571z;13272338]Are you stupid... You cant pull out riffs like that from nowhere... There easy to play but you need creativity... If its so easy why isnt everyone famous like blink 182...[/QUOTE]

Poor marketing, bad agents, etc.



Yeah, you do have to have a certain brand of creativity to write blink-esque music.

You need creativity to play any type of music.

I pull riffs like Blink-182 out all of the time.

ugh you don't need creativity to play music

stop kidding yourself

You don't need it to play music, but you to need it to write music.

It takes creativity to write so many decent songs using only a few diffferent power chords, and changing them up some.

Look at Green Day. Those guys play in the same key on a huge amount of their songs, and how many great songs do they have? Its tough to do that.

And you dont play guitar for 15+ years, and only know how to play power chords. I'm sure Tom can play other stuff. But why do that, when the music you're playing doesnt need it?

[QUOTE=cobert;13272521]

I pull riffs like Blink-182 out all of the time.[/QUOTE]

No you dont. You might think they are... But chances are there not as good. Record some songs?

wtf

how do [I]you[/I] know if he can?

riffs [I]like[/I] Blink 182 aren't riffs the same as, as if he has thought them up from scratch. Who are you to say something like that, it's not difficult to pull riffs out like that.

you wouldn't think any were as good because you've heard the Blink ones so many times, and they're as popular as they are.

G - D - E - A

There, I just wrote a Blink 182 chord progression. I'm a genius.

mn,
 

[QUOTE=MattSharpIsCool;13274416]G - D - E - A

There, I just wrote a Blink 182 chord progression. I'm a genius.[/QUOTE]

Yer now make a riff out of those notes.. THen make a whole song... wright lyrics.. record and send :)!

Uhm, he said chord progression, not notes.

It's simple to make a song out of just those four chords, Blink did it all the time with just 4 chords.

You must be some sort of idiot if you think you [I]need[/I] more chords than that in a pop punk song to make it sound relatively like a Blink song.

Learn how to spell too.

[QUOTE=10571z;13274778]Yer now make a riff out of those notes.. THen make a whole song... wright lyrics.. record and send :)![/QUOTE]


This man is a genius.

G5 - D5 - E5 - A5

you forgot about power chords duh

---Blink182 Song---
1. Simple riff to open
2. Palm muted verse
3. Chorus (same as verse but no muting)
4. Repeat 2 and 3 once
5. Bridge
6. End on a chorus

So simple, yet real effective. They weren't particularly original, and they weren't particularly clever, but they had some good catchy songs and did what they were supposed to.

But let's face it; they were hardly creative geniuses. They just had a bit of luck and were good on stage (humour worked well) so they went far.

I think Mark and Tom's real talent was their songwriting, not so much their musical abilities. Like I said earlier, its tough to take the same 4 notes and write a bunch of songs using those notes. You have to find ways to change them up and keep it different, even though its the same. And they were always pretty decent at writing lyrics.

A lot of very good bands only used a few chords. Everybody slobbers on AC/DC's collective knob, yet they only used a few power chords in pretty much every song they wrote. Ya, they had solos, but the main structure of the song was built on power chords.

A song doesnt have to be complex to be good. Blink's songs are easier as piss to play, but they're still good. Thats really what matters.

That song on Dude Ranch called "Boring" would be pretty hard to play while singing, like Tom does.