[QUOTE=enter natman]

i also hope that Matt manages to start screaming more efficiently, so as not to blow himself out every gig. but while doing this it would be good if he maintains his great sounding voice.[/QUOTE]

There's going to be less screaming like it is now. it's going to be more gritty vocals methinks.

thats allright. matt does some decent grittyness on Declaration. but then again i dont like the harcore "bear witness to me" part.

I'm pretty excited about the knew CD actually.

yea, who isn't. The Crusade, isn't it? as i said earlier that i hope that they eradicate their hardcore element.

[QUOTE=enter natman]yea, who isn't. The Crusade, isn't it? as i said earlier that i hope that they eradicate their hardcore element.[/QUOTE]

Hmmm. Give an example? Which songs in particular?

Dying In Your Arms. and other vocal bits like when he sings "bear witness to me" on Declaration. although there are some really good vocals on that track besides.

^I forgot to say except dying in your arms! But nah, i'd definetly class them as a metal band.

they're officially metalcore, but they're at the far-metal end of the, shall we say, metalcore spectrum. what i'm saying is that they should convert wholly to metal and lose the hardcore hintage. i said before that i hope that they dont take the unfortunate success of DIYA too seriously.

DIYA is a hundred times better live! But i don't think anyone has really noticed the DIYA video. It's seems to be fading out.

ive seen it, and ive seen them do it live. its a good song, just not for me. i really dont like hardcore. it's for the ladies. indeed, when Trivium played in Exeter, England when i watched them, Matt actually said "and this one is for the ladies." before playing it. ilmao.

^lol. i saw them in Cardiff last friday it was amazing IMO. Did they say "this is our last song" when they played it? And then they did an encore.

same here. i saw them last saturday lol. i was so pissed off when they said DIYA was the last but i forgot about encores. our encore was pull harder... yours??

they also did seek and destroy, MOP, Walk, Domination, etc. truly brilliant.

what does IMO mean?

Yeah they did piss take green day covers and all them you listed. IMO means 'in my opinion'.

yea lol same in exeter. they started playing punk and everyone gave the middle finger, and Matt was like "what, you didn't like that??"

[QUOTE=enter natman]yea lol same in exeter. they started playing punk and everyone gave the middle finger, and Matt was like "what, you didn't like that??"[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't call Green Day punk.

i wasn't referring to Green Day.

^ they didn't play any punk.

not in cardiff, no, but i didn't go to cardiff did i?:rolleyes: i'm talking about in exeter, where they played some definate punk.

[QUOTE=enter natman]not in cardiff, no, but i didn't go to cardiff did i?:rolleyes: i'm talking about in exeter, where they played some definate punk.[/QUOTE]

A specific example?

no idea what it was as i don't listen to punk, but it was obviously punk.

[QUOTE=enter natman]no idea what it was as i don't listen to punk, but it was obviously punk.[/QUOTE]

Ok i can't really argue seen as i wasn't at that show, but at every other date on that tour they didn't play any punk.

how would you know that? and those parts are just "crowdplay", and aren't necessarily listed.

Ffs i'm not arguing about something pointless anymore.

you questioned it.

^Whatever

The only metalcore part of Trivium is the screams, and that's what influences a lot of people's views on bands. Vocals. Hence they get put under that a lot.

However, it should never put them under the metalcore label. They have little to no other resemblance to metalcore aside from vocals. It's like saying Cryptopsy became metalcore when they picked up DiSalvo.

have you heard the japan CD of ascendancy? with the Storm and Sworn?

[QUOTE=Huber]The only metalcore part of Trivium is the screams, and that's what influences a lot of people's views on bands. Vocals. Hence they get put under that a lot.

However, it should never put them under the metalcore label. They have little to no other resemblance to metalcore aside from vocals. It's like saying Cryptopsy became metalcore when they picked up DiSalvo.[/QUOTE]
except for DIYA, which is iconic Metalcore. and i thought it was the singing that was metalcore, not the screams. only in certain parts, though.

Clean singing like Heafy's isn't unique to only metalcore. What the clean contributes to the metalcore category is the mixture of Jamey Jasta-esque scream with clean singing.

That's besides the point anyways. I'm trying to say that the vocals really shouldn't dictate what kind of music they play. The songs they composed are metal songs.

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Whoa whoa, DIYA metalcore? That song is more of a pop-punk with the Trivium sound mixed in. There isn't much metalcore about it.

I think you're definition of metalcore is kind of blurred. Listen to Avenged Sevenfold's Sounding the Seventh Trumpet. I personally think that album did a great job of mixing Hardcore Punk with metal style very well.

Metalcore is a hybrid genre, a hybrid of hardcore and metal.

Trivium's music consists completely of metal, aside from like a few vaguely hardcore influenced moments on Fugue (A Revelation), and then the very minor hardcore influence there is in thrash.

Let's break it down:
-Vocals; don't define genres, but his are harsh, normally found in metal
-Guitars; melodic thrash metal/post-thrash
-Bass; metal
-Drums; metal

EDIT: Dying In My Arms is not metalcore either, that's just a really bad power-pop song.

[QUOTE=Eleventeen]Metalcore is a hybrid genre, a hybrid of hardcore and metal.

Trivium's music consists completely of metal, aside from like a few vaguely hardcore influenced moments on Fugue (A Revelation), and then the very minor hardcore influence there is in thrash.

Let's break it down:
-Vocals; don't define genres, but his are harsh, normally found in metal
-Guitars; melodic thrash metal/post-thrash
-Bass; metal
-Drums; metal

EDIT: Dying In My Arms is not metalcore either, that's just a really bad power-pop song.[/QUOTE]

Yep, skip my post and read this one.

Trivium have a really big thrash influence. Especially in the decieved.

[QUOTE=SimonCore]Trivium have a really big thrash influence. Especially in the decieved.[/QUOTE]

Or Pull Harder, When All Light Dies, and Pillars of Serpents.

The melodic death metal influence is really prominent on Requiem, Like Light To Flies, When All Light Dies, and Suffocating Sight.

^IMO the biggest melodic death influence is in "Washing away me in the tides" and kinda in "Departure".

[QUOTE=SimonCore]^IMO the biggest melodic death influence is in "Washing away me in the tides" and kinda in "Departure".[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Departure has some pretty strong melodeath influence, mostly all of it's the Gothenburg style though, so it's not full-fledged melodeath, it's kind of power metal and goth metal influenced too. I've never heard that other song, so I can't be sure, I only have Ember To Inferno and Ascendancy.

It is an amazing song. Seriously download it.

I will right now.

I'm really into Ember and Inferno now it's grown on me alot. The self title track is possibly the best. And Requiem and Burn the eye follow.

Off of Ember To Inferno, I'm gonna go with When All Light Dies and Ember To Inferno.

I really want trivium to reinvent them selves but more along the lines of ETI than ascendancy