[QUOTE=KingofDudes]Yes, I dont expect money making execs to know what the hell they are talking about, especially with metal. Alternative metal is not a genre. Like I said it is pretty much a misc. garbage bin for genres that dont fit in the basic mainstream ones.

Adema is numetal
Korn is numetal
Taproot is numetal

Let me check Metal-archives.com(A Trustworthy site) for alternative metal.

Black ~ Death ~ Doom ~ Electronic ~ Folk/Viking ~ Gothic ~ Heavy/Traditional ~ Orchestral/Symphonic ~ Power ~ Progressive ~ Speed/Thrash

Nope, no alternative.

Bottom line, it is Bull crap.[/QUOTE]

dude, that website was probably made by people like the people who post on this website. ONCE MORE, YOU DON'T KNOW MUSIC BETTER THAN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY.

don't even say Adema is nu-Metal, I bet you;ve never even heard them, Korn is not nu-Metal, they have a FEW nu-Metal songs, Taproot isn't nu-Metal anymore.

Alternative-Metal is a genre, once more, check out websites that STREAM MUSIC, that were made by THE MUSIC INDUSTRY.

[QUOTE=kornedbeef]don't even say Adema is nu-Metal, I bet you;ve never even heard them, Korn is not nu-Metal, they have a FEW nu-Metal songs, Taproot isn't nu-Metal anymore.

Alternative-Metal is a genre, once more, check out websites that STREAM MUSIC, that were made by THE MUSIC INDUSTRY.[/QUOTE]

I have heard many songs by them, my brother had the CD, and my friend played them on his radio station all the time. I also have Taproots 2nd CD and heard much of their first. Korn pretty much created Numetal. Get out of your denial.

THE MUSIC INDUSTRY IS COMPLETE BULL SH[COLOR=White]I[/COLOR]T, I and many people choose to disagree with it because they dont know jack squat about metal. Can you even make an argument besides "uhh welll the record companies say that so im gonna be a dumb tool and believe it"?

[QUOTE=KingofDudes]I have heard many songs by them, my brother had the CD, and my friend played them on his radio station all the time. I also have Taproots 2nd CD and heard much of their first. Korn pretty much created Numetal. Get out of your denial.

THE MUSIC INDUSTRY IS COMPLETE BULL SH[COLOR=White]I[/COLOR]T, I and many people choose to disagree with it because they dont know jack squat about metal. Can you even make an argument besides "uhh welll the record companies say that so im gonna be a dumb tool and believe it"?[/QUOTE]

your the dumb tool for falling into the internet nerd arrogance that says "i know better than all"

[QUOTE=kornedbeef]your the dumb tool for falling into the internet nerd arrogance that says "i know better than all"[/QUOTE]

Since you didnt even bother answering me, I am guessing it is true that you are gonna follow the record industries words without questioning them. You would make a perfect "Yes Man".

Like I said, I know better than a bunch of rich executives who dont even listen to metal.

[QUOTE=KingofDudes]Since you didnt even bother answering me, I am guessing it is true that you are gonna follow the record industries words without questioning them. You would make a perfect "Yes Man".

Like I said, I know better than a bunch of rich executives who dont even listen to metal.[/QUOTE]

go on to any search engine and type alternative-metal. then tell me it's a fake genre.

[QUOTE=kornedbeef]go on to any search engine and type alternative-metal. then tell me it's a fake genre.[/QUOTE]

I can do a search on Santa, and get results. It doesnt mean he is real.

one word describes you:

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[QUOTE=kornedbeef]your the dumb tool for falling into the internet nerd arrogance that says "i know better than all"[/QUOTE]

You're something else, man. How many posts does King have?

Maybe you've become accustomed to the faulty terms used everywhere. Just cause it's used, doesn't make it correct. :thumb:

King knows his fair share of music, for sure. :naughty:

Buddy, just hang on for a year longer and find out for yourself. :thumb:








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[QUOTE=extreme_191]You're something else, man. How many posts does King have?

Maybe you've become accustomed to the faulty terms used everywhere. Just cause it's used, doesn't make it correct. :thumb:

King knows his fair share of music, for sure. :naughty:

Buddy, just hang on for a year longer and find out for yourself. :thumb:








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Thank you :thumb:

My basic argument against his:


These record companies, dont care about the music, they dont care about metal, they dont listen to metal, they only care about the money so they just throw on some quick label. A website like metal-archives.com is a website made by metalheads, for metalheads, and they dont get paid to do it. I think a website with people who actually care about metal has more legitimacy pointing out metal genres than some greedy record company.

Money makes the world go round.

[QUOTE=kornedbeef]dude, that website was probably made by people like the people who post on this website. ONCE MORE, YOU DON'T KNOW MUSIC BETTER THAN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY.[/QUOTE]

Dude, let me tell you what the music industry knows about music.

1. They know what hook will make a good radio single.
2. They know how to find the "money note."

That's about it. The execs know jack **** about playing an instrument, musical theory, artistic integrity, or anything overall about being a musician. They only know what sells. I suggest you take a lesson in mass communication and learn how modern corporations in the recording industry function.

[QUOTE=KingofDudes]I can do a search on Santa, and get results. It doesnt mean he is real.[/QUOTE]

:lol:

Don't bitch about the music industry, it works and nobody has corrected it. None of your hero's seem to give a ****. C'mon, if people with money stood up and decided to do it themselves it would change. But since nobody has done this, this proves you wrong..

[QUOTE=KingofDudes]I can do a search on Santa, and get results. It doesnt mean he is real.[/QUOTE]

:lol: best analogy I've heard in a while.

Kornguy, what you are saying, or what it sounds like to me is that you don't want there be a "nu-metal" genre. You just want the name to be changed to alternative metal. Nu and alternative are sort of interchangable prefixes for the genres of metal.

[QUOTE=procreationb]Don't bitch about the music industry, it works and nobody has corrected it.[/quote]

Take a class in mass media, dude. The recording industry works... at making money! It's a business that sells art, it is not an art itself... God, that sounded so pretentious. But, in literal terms, music is an artform and business is not because it doesn't create things of aesthetic value, it exists to acquire money.

[quote]None of your hero's seem to give a ****. C'mon, if people with money stood up and decided to do it themselves it would change. But since nobody has done this, this proves you wrong..[/QUOTE]

What the hell are you talking about?

Edguy's Hellfire Club is metal or power metal?

Cheers man!
Being new to metal I didn't know any of these.

[QUOTE=kombucha mushroom mofo]:lol: best analogy I've heard in a while.

Kornguy, what you are saying, or what it sounds like to me is that you don't want there be a "nu-metal" genre. You just want the name to be changed to alternative metal. Nu and alternative are sort of interchangable prefixes for the genres of metal.[/QUOTE]

its not the same **** thing, they are two established genres and people on this forum don't realize that nu-metal is RAP METAL. that's why I say new taproot is alternative-metal. their old stuff is RAP METAL. Alternative Metal is completely different. and half those bands I listed sound nothing like nu-Metal. they are not interchangable prefix #1 and #2 some of the bands sound nothing like nu-metal. the main point i made was that most alternative metal is melodic, which is the major difference, and alt metal bands dont rap. some alt metal bands arent extremely melodic, but they are still melodic
(IE The Melvins, Korn, Rayne). they are different genres and nobody seems to realize it on this forum cause they don't listen to either of them.

Nu-metal doesn't have to have rap in it as an element. Alt. metal is just another name for nu-metal which came about because of the negative connotations attached to nu-metal. I garuntee that numerous websites on the internet will list the same bands as both Nu and Alt. metal.

great list way to put the time in to the best genre of music

[QUOTE=RivFader]Edguy's Hellfire Club is metal or power metal?[/QUOTE]

Metalarchives has it them listed as power metal, but I have never heard them so Im not too sure.

From what I've heard of Edguy, they're definitely Power Metal.

[QUOTE=Iai]From what I've heard of Edguy, they're definitely Power Metal.[/QUOTE]

I second that.

wow... impressive.
and to anyone who is interested in more info like this i really suggest picking up the book: The History of Heavy Metal

You should have seen it today. My freind was telling me that slipknot was death metal...this set him straight

[QUOTE=The Digital Pimp]Yeah they aren't very creative, but I've seen some worse 'just the band performing' music videos (especially down here in New Zealand where budgets are very very thin for new bands), at least Finger use some interesting sets and camera angles/visual effects.

The absolute worst music vids are ones of a band playing in concert, while the CD-quality single plays over it. *shiver*[/QUOTE]

I agree with this, however, Finger Eleven really isn't metal in general. They have some songs like nu-metal, but overall they're really just plain rock. Basically, i think they have a pretty set style, and then they have these few random songs that don't fit with the rest of it. like one thing has weird bongo-drums and it's all really soft. And then they have Drag You Down where he goes kinda crazy, and such, with the weird lyrics.
I dunno.

P.S. Yeah, I HATE those videos! they just have the band playing in concert and that's it. Ugh.
I agree, finger eleven music videos aren't very creative but, once again, i'm agreeing, they have neat camera angles and that.

Grindcore is very beautiful, makes me cum my pants.

Dude, I'm a bit unsatisfied with your definition of black metal. I got myself into black metal mainly because of the brutal blasting and riffing of bands like Mayhem... and you said blast beats are not very utilized in bm or something like that. In my opinion bm is a more extreme and developed form of extreme music than death metal. A lot of death metal is stuck with simpler and very familiar riffing/drumming with the exception of a few bands like Hate Eternal. Even if the death or grind bands blast, they dont sound as brutal as bm blasting. The diffenence is that the death bands like to emphasize the low end alot in vocals and instrumentwise resulting in a cartoonish brutality. On the other hand, bm bands dont boost the low end in their records and dont play around with the efxs or the production that much.

Are you retarded? Black Metal bands play around with the production alot more than Death Metal, their stuff sounds like it was recorded on a telephone answering machine.

Don't get me wrong, I like black metal, but still. Have some sense.

[QUOTE=evil ernie]I second that.[/QUOTE]
I third it

[QUOTE=BornFedSlaughterd]Grindcore is very beautiful, makes me cum my pants.[/QUOTE]
...nice :naughty:

[QUOTE=LordDargon]Are you retarded? Black Metal bands play around with the production alot more than Death Metal, their stuff sounds like it was recorded on a telephone answering machine.

Don't get me wrong, I like black metal, but still. Have some sense.[/QUOTE]

What sort of bm bands are you talking about. Are you saying they delibrately play around with production just for the sake of atmosphere(this might be true for Emperor)? I thought they(mayhem, darkthrone etc) are just being low budget.

[Quote]Are you retarded? Black Metal bands play around with the production alot more than Death Metal, their stuff sounds like it was recorded on a telephone answering machine.[/quote]

Having just listened to Under A Funeral Moon by Darkthrone for the first time.....quoted for truth. :)

Budget, shmudget. They purposely eliminate the bottom end.

And yeah Iai, that has probably the worst/rawest production of any band I've ever heard, maybe except for Nunslaughter or Demoncy.

It's certainly the rawest I've heard. St. Anger probably takes the award for worst.

Still, quality stuff though. (Darkthrone, not Metallica)

Emperor production is great imo, having the vocals in the backround and making them blend in like another instrument. Do Darkthrone even have bass and if so does Nocturno Culto play it?

by he way metallica under thrash metal, its kill em all- justice

any1 listen 2 into eternity?

what kind of metal besides progressive would you categorize opeth as?