It is a crutch to raise volume each time you sing higher. If your doing it for the effect like you said its good, but if you have to sing louder to sing higher, its bad technique. Sing high stuff as softly ( it will be falsetto ) as possible at first, then gradually add your volume.

[QUOTE=Alexcrex;14362475]C'mon people...it's been a few days since me (and specially the guy before me) have posted...

...won't you comment?

=)

Give us the honour, please.

Alexandre[/QUOTE]

I listened a few days ago but never got around to posting. You need to sing a bit harder. More support more umph. I think it sounds a bit talkative. You voice sounds fine though but I think youre lacking emotion and power, even in a lighter song you still need some power. However the melody gets stuck in my head though. Would be good if it was more powerful.

Zorg, yours has expired! Sorry! Repost.

ok, so in hope someone gets it intime XD

breast: [url]http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=73B217B32D155A1A[/url]

head:
[url]http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=4D6669543878B525[/url]

falsetto:
[url]http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=7F8F5D2062BF6AEC[/url]

thanks...

[QUOTE=Merkaba;14373269]I listened a few days ago but never got around to posting. You need to sing a bit harder. More support more umph. I think it sounds a bit talkative. You voice sounds fine though but I think youre lacking emotion and power, even in a lighter song you still need some power. However the melody gets stuck in my head though. Would be good if it was more powerful.[/QUOTE]

Sad sound of truth...:thumb:

Thanx a lot, Merkaba!

I kinda don't know what should be the level of power. I think i listen so much to ppl saying "don't push" that i just don't go for it.

Well, so the thing to work on is breathing/support? Any special recommendation?

Thanx again, and anyone can drop his/her opinion, please.

Just work on projecting your voice.

Say the way you sing now is talking; you just wanna talk loudly

[QUOTE=Alexcrex;14390407]Sad sound of truth...:thumb:

Thanx a lot, Merkaba!

I kinda don't know what should be the level of power. I think i listen so much to ppl saying "don't push" that i just don't go for it.

Well, so the thing to work on is breathing/support? Any special recommendation?

Thanx again, and anyone can drop his/her opinion, please.[/QUOTE]

Well its not bad. Just needs to be a bit more singy. Do lip trills/motor boats to get a feel for diaphragm support. If you dont know what they are you just make the motor/ motor boat/engine sound with your lips fluttering. Practice doing single notes and vowels...yes you can still shape the cords for the vowels...ay,ee,I,Oh, and also do glisses(fluid slides) up and down and feel the shifts it takes to keep the lips fluttering while in different parts of your range.

Feedback anyone?

[url]http://media.putfile.com/Unrepentant-with-music[/url]

[url]http://media.putfile.com/The-Only-with-music[/url] (this is only meant to be 3 mins long. if it runs any longer it'll be that one ^ after)

[url]http://media.putfile.com/Run-To-The-Hills-30[/url]
Ironically enough the last one is probs the best and that was recorded when I had a cold (ie this morning)

[QUOTE=BlackFire_;12866587]Does anyone know how to do pig-squeal like grindcore vocals? I heard that you have to inhale scream when doing this but when I do, it sounds like a whisper compared to my death metal growls. Any help on how to properly do them/get them louder?[/QUOTE]


I had the same problem at first, the thing is you have to tighten your what throat a bit and really go for it! i started of with a simple briie while i where drunk so you can imagine the sound of it. but just keep pushing it and you will get their!

[QUOTE=zorgblaubaer;14382575]ok, so in hope someone gets it intime XD

breast: [url]http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=73B217B32D155A1A[/url]

head:
[url]http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=4D6669543878B525[/url]

falsetto:
[url]http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=7F8F5D2062BF6AEC[/url]

thanks...[/QUOTE]




im sorry man but that was quite weak accordingly to me! add me and i will send you some real pig squeals!

[QUOTE=Grumma;14394089]Feedback anyone?

[url]http://media.putfile.com/Unrepentant-with-music[/url]

[url]http://media.putfile.com/The-Only-with-music[/url] (this is only meant to be 3 mins long. if it runs any longer it'll be that one ^ after)

[url]http://media.putfile.com/Run-To-The-Hills-30[/url]
Ironically enough the last one is probs the best and that was recorded when I had a cold (ie this morning)[/QUOTE]

sweat! but im more the pig squeal inhale kind of guy!

[QUOTE=bloodsplattered;14410594]sweat! but im more the pig squeal inhale kind of guy![/QUOTE]
Here's a little inhale tutorial I made. I didn't have time to warm up before I did this, so the screams aren't that great, but it explains it.
[url]http://media.putfile.com/Inhale-Tutorial[/url]
In the song Brehe I am inhaling. They sound better, but still not as good as the in the car screams do.
[url]http://www.myspace.com/theavaracomplex[/url]

btw Merkaba you can link to it on your thread if you want to.

[QUOTE=bloodsplattered;14410578]im sorry man but that was quite weak accordingly to me! add me and i will send you some real pig squeals![/QUOTE]

thanks but i don't like piqsqueals, i am trying to learn "real" screams and shouts.. and telling me it sucks doesn't help me a bit... i need to know what i am doing wrong! but thanks for listeing XD

Pig squeels are more of an effect thing, and if it's all you do, you're an idiot. Sorry to burst your bubble, Waking The Cadaver kid.

Also, Fuzzy hair, your gutterals sound great, but your squeels are off. Try putting your toungue to the roof of your mouth, round where your upper teeth are, and doing the inhale from the base of your toungue.

Example:
[url]http://www.myspace.com/karlmarxband[/url]

Thart be me.

[QUOTE=Eleventeen;14422597]Pig squeels are more of an effect thing, and if it's all you do, you're an idiot. Sorry to burst your bubble, Waking The Cadaver kid.

Also, Fuzzy hair, your gutterals sound great, but your squeels are off. Try putting your toungue to the roof of your mouth, round where your upper teeth are, and doing the inhale from the base of your toungue.

Example:
[url]http://www.myspace.com/karlmarxband[/url]

Thart be me.[/QUOTE]

What about the ones on [url]http://www.myspace.com/theavaracomplex[/url]? Are they off too?

hello all:wave:

I would just like to borrow a moment of your time and ask for some critique on my singing. Personally i don't think its good at all so if someone out there could give me some pointers it would be much appreciated :)

[url]http://media.putfile.com/These-Colours-Dont-Run-52[/url]

[url]http://media.putfile.com/The-Arms-of-Sorrow-90[/url]

[url]http://media.putfile.com/Detonation-88[/url]

[url]http://media.putfile.com/Aces-Higheh[/url]

thanks in advance :)

[QUOTE=tobius;14428502]hello all:wave:

I would just like to borrow a moment of your time and ask for some critique on my singing. Personally i don't think its good at all so if someone out there could give me some pointers it would be much appreciated :)

[url]http://media.putfile.com/These-Colours-Dont-Run-52[/url]

[url]http://media.putfile.com/The-Arms-of-Sorrow-90[/url]

[url]http://media.putfile.com/Detonation-88[/url]

[url]http://media.putfile.com/Aces-Higheh[/url]

thanks in advance :)[/QUOTE]
You don't seem to be singing, just speaking. Try projecting your voice more.

[QUOTE=fuzzyhair;14422990]What about the ones on [url]http://www.myspace.com/theavaracomplex[/url]? Are they off too?[/QUOTE]

Yes. They just sound like kind of piggy gutterals, not a bad thing, but if that's what you're trying to distinguish as a pig squeel... I dunno, it just seems off... try going a bit higher in pitch and emphasizing the "e" vowel a bit more.

[QUOTE=Eleventeen;14434846]Yes. They just sound like kind of piggy gutterals, not a bad thing, but if that's what you're trying to distinguish as a pig squeel... I dunno, it just seems off... try going a bit higher in pitch and emphasizing the "e" vowel a bit more.[/QUOTE]
Okay cool. Thanks.

Pretty much I want to sound like a destroyer robot when I inhale. I'm still working on it. I heard some guy doing them and they highs were soooo high and the lows were gutteral as hell.

Yeah, some people just have the range. I can't get very low, but I can push pretty high.

[QUOTE=fuzzyhair;14428549]You don't seem to be singing, just speaking. Try projecting your voice more.[/QUOTE]

+1

On Detonation and Aces High the original singers (Heafy and Dickinson) really do belt it out. The way you're singing sounds weak, you don't need to yell. Just try and project out more

[QUOTE=tobius;14428502]hello all:wave:

I would just like to borrow a moment of your time and ask for some critique on my singing. Personally i don't think its good at all so if someone out there could give me some pointers it would be much appreciated :)

[url]http://media.putfile.com/These-Colours-Dont-Run-52[/url]

[url]http://media.putfile.com/The-Arms-of-Sorrow-90[/url]

[url]http://media.putfile.com/Detonation-88[/url]

[url]http://media.putfile.com/Aces-Higheh[/url]

thanks in advance :)[/QUOTE]
You have zero support. Go here and look at the threads on coming from the gut. [url]http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911[/url]

Allrighty, here's my story:
My friends used to have a band. They played hardcore/screamo/grindcore type stuff. They eventually broke up (Which crushed me, I loved going to their shows), but have recently *kind of* gotten back together. The drummer and bassist are out of the picture, and the old vocalist has gone to the bass (And the guitarist is still playing guitar). They found a new drummer, but now they need a vocalist. Since they want to keep the band to a friends only thing, and the old bassist/drummer are definitely not coming back, they have asked me to do the vocals.
I'd love to be in the band. I've never been in a decent band (I was in one before, but it was just for fun. We mostly just covered other bands songs), and I've never really done any singing/screaming. I consider myself a halfway decent singer (I just sing along to music in the car when I'm by myself :thumb: ), but I'm completely lost when it comes to screaming. Since it's still a hardcore/screamo/grind band, a majority of the vocals will be done in a scream. I'd really appreciate any tips I can find.

Most of the tips I've seen consist of "Stop reading about it on the internet and just do it.", so that's what I did. I went out for a drive and turned on some music and tried to scream along to it. And boy, I didn't think I'd be so bad at it. I just couldn't get out a true scream. It was more like enthusiastic yelling. I guess "enthusiastic yelling" could pass in a band like that (Assuming I'm able to get a bit better at it. The passion is there, but it just doesn't sound that good), but I'd like to be able to actually "scream". I'm not too interested in growls (Deep growls seem to come naturally and easily for me, so I figure I can practice those without much instruction.), but I'd like to get some mid and high pitched screams in there.

Some of my inspirations include From Autumn To Ashes (Sounds more like enthusiastic yelling than screaming, but I think it sounds amazing), Saetia (I just love that high pitched scream. The vocalist also has a great presence live. I was able to see him with the band he went to after Saetia at Koo's in LA) and Atreyu (I'm not really sure what to say about them, but some of their songs just have such a nice energy to them).
Yeah, I know, not a very impressive list. I'm just really attached to these bands, since they were the ones that really got me into music. Some people have told me that some of my music taste makes me seem like a 14 year old with no taste in music (Though those people may just be elitist music snobs), but I'm actually a 20 year old with a pretty broad taste in music. I just love listening to music that reminds me of easier and more carefree times :-D

So anyway, does anyone have any specific tips? Maybe some different exercises that focus on screaming? Some people say "Practice, practice and more practice.", but I've also heard people say that if you do it wrong you could just thrash your vocal cords. I'd love to practice, but I'd like to find way to do it without making myself a permanent mute by the time I'm 25 :-D. Also, I'm far too broke to be able to afford any type of lessons (If there are even lessons for screaming. I kind of doubt it, heh.). Oh, I've been told to "scream from the gut rather than the throat". Now, this sounds simple enough, but does anyone have any tips for actually doing this? Or is it just one of those things you have to learn on your own?

Anyway, I'd really love some input. I'm planning on asking the bassist of the band for some help, since he was the vocalist in the old band, but I'm sure extra information can't hurt!
Thanks for reading my lengthy post :)

Edit: Been doing a bit more research and came across "Melissa Cross". So, is she really as good of a teacher as it sounds? Or is it just hype? I can't afford lessons, but I'm sure I can afford a DVD (Maybe >_>). If the DVD is really as good as it seems, it might be a good investment. So, what do you guys have to say about it?

Anyway of collapsing that into a post that people can be bothered reading?

[QUOTE=Grumma;14476729]Anyway of collapsing that into a post that people can be bothered reading?[/QUOTE]

Yea, long post. But I can get long winded too, but usually its describing something, not a situation. :)

Regardless of the story that goes with them, vocal cords are simple and are only capable of about 2 things.

And yes, one of the important things in vocals is "coming from the gut". You have to have that support. That and keep the throat area loose and relaxed. Alot of people tense up the throat in order to get a good sense of pressure because they dont have good pressure from the diaphragm. Once you start closing off the throat youre going farther into no'mans land. Plenty of tips around here. And if youre serious you'll just bookmark and read. You can read a few pages here and there everyday. A general rule of thumb is that you should never get hoarse and never have pain. Either of those and youre not vocalizing properly. You can get a nice sound without pushing too hard and screams in bands dont have to be "I'm about to get hit by a car" true screams. You can get a good scream with about 70 percent max push, or less. Once you push too much your cords will just lose air and not vibrate as much so volume and tone may start to diminish anyway. Go here and get started...


[url]http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911[/url]
Merkabas Voice-Help Hotline - Music & Musician Forums

I have the melissa cross dvd. hmmm. it wont teach u to scream. I actually learnt to scream and growl properly from a few minutes of a radio interview that she did. I would advise you to learn the technique of screaming first, then getting the DVD to help you stay strong. Basically what you have to do to scream is:
1. make a tiny kitten noise, or a frog noise. This should be easy and natural. Just try and talk as low and quiet as you can and you should feel the gentle rumbling in the roof of your mouth.
2. try and either put falsetto or a yawn underneath the rumbling sound. This is the hard bit. You will find that you can unite the rumbling and yawn, but only for a few seconds. Learn to find the balance and sustain it.
3. Once you can balance and sustain, build volume by pushing more noise out and using the diaphragm (thats the muscle that you pull when you try and exhale forever).

Hope this helps.

That's actually a really good description, well put.

yallo
 

hey guys im new to this
my friend is in a band
[url]www.myspace.com/signalthefiringsquad[/url]
he said not to inhale when you do squeels
so ive sterted doing them exhailing
the only thing is that it doesnt sound like a clean brreeeee
its brroiii haahahah
weird aye
anyways i was wondering if anyones got any pointers?
cheers :chug:

I do exhaling squeals. The trick is not to say bree. You should say briiihh, and stick your lips out. It might also help if you press the tip of your tongue against the roof of your mouth. Record the sound on your phone and you should hear a high pitched whistling noise which means your doing it right.

I kind of go, "quee."

lol. that might work. I find when I use an ee noise, I lose that magic whistling noise.