About lachrimology:
as far as I know, the commonly held veiw is that its a hoax concoted by the members of tool - no one has been able to find any record of the reference books they mentioned in relation to it.
BUT - the thing is, it seems a great theory to me: advancement through tears? its like saying "no pain, no gain"; like the native American Indian sweat lodge rituals of placing yourself in discomfort in order to bring the world to a better blace, like some eastern mediation forms...
Is it a case of tool being so good at bull****ting that even when they do, they stumble across something deep?
or is it true, and the reason no one can find the books is because danny/blair found it (he's a rare book collector so has access to resources others don't)

Or does it matter either way? I got something out of it, i think its a valid idea, and whether its invented by tool in 98 or some author in 28, or some other time entirely, that doesn't change my response.

Flabbit: what was your reaction to the presumable sensory overload of 2 new tool albums within a week? its like trying acid and mushrooms, for the first time, on the same night!

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I bought the second string tribute album this weekend, and the results vary i must say. Most of the Undertow songs are really well done, but some of the more complex sounding songs (stinkfist, Lateralus) lose it a bit. Anyone else got it, or the first one?

I would send you something, but it would take a while, each of my tool tracks are 30MB as I wanted them down in their best quality. But i did send a live one over Gmail a while ago, so I could send it again

The live one is a lot smaller, as it was one I downloaded from a site. Ill add you now in any case.

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I bought the second string tribute album this weekend, and the results vary i must say. Most of the Undertow songs are really well done, but some of the more complex sounding songs (stinkfist, Lateralus) lose it a bit. Anyone else got it, or the first one?[/QUOTE]

I've got both of them, but the first one is the better of the two. For some reason, maybe the one you stated, the second just didn't hook me like the first one did. Maybe I'll listen to it later and find out.

[QUOTE=BurtonChancellor]Well, if you want to understand the meaning behind that, just listen closely to the lyrics of the song, or look them up and take a read. The entire song is a Maynard rant against LA/California, and his wish that the entire state will be "flushed away". If you actually have the album (Ænima), then lift up the CD and look underneath it. It's a hologram of California disappearing off the map under the ocean.[/QUOTE]


Yeah, and the oklahoma panhandle is inaccurate. It's weird how maynard hates LA/California, when he lives in LA.

From what I know, most people who live in LA hate LA


Even though I live in England, I can tell LA is the sell out phoney capital of the world, arguably

Oh man. I want Tool to tour soon. Relevance Factor - 1

[QUOTE=Medopalis]30 MB? How the hell did you manage that? :amaze: Do you have AIM/MSN anyway? If you do, and you want to, just add me. My names are in my profile, as I don't think Gmail works for that large a file does it?[/QUOTE]

dude im sure that the GB of space gmail provides is enough for 30MB or even an intire album of 30mb tracks...

to me, LA is a symbol for all that glitters but is not gold...
everything there seems a facade from here in sydney...like a movie set - you've got a regular looking place, but walk round the back and its just a fake front...

hmmm n string tributes....i'm a classical muso, and i didn't really love either of the cds...but there's enough good ones over 2 cds to make one good compilation, so i think i will do so...

I just bought Lateralus last week, having heard almost no Tool before, except for H and Schism occasionally on the radio. I have to say it's an incredible album.

^^ Yeah, Lateralus is infact a great album....you should really try to get Aenima also. That is my personal favorite Tool album followed by Lateralus....I'm more than sure you'll really like it.

[QUOTE=Cort2003]Yeah, and the oklahoma panhandle is inaccurate. It's weird how maynard hates LA/California, when he lives in LA.[/QUOTE]

The best way to write something is from experience.

to the guy that wanted someone to send him tool stuff...
i can send u an album if u still need it ...but do u know which one u want? i dont have salival (of course not) and i dont have opiate. but i have the rest so im me on aim whenever im on (im on almost everyday) whenever u want me to send the album

[QUOTE=Eonsunset]I haven't seen this mention yet...Lachrymology "the sheading of tears." Supposedly this is what TOOL's music is really about, not just about their views of how un-compassionate religion is these days. But in the lyrics Maynard tries to get across that putting yourself in a vulnerable position, and learning and growing from the pain that has come your way. He mentions about crucifying the ego, which deals with meditation, also when he says, "the moon tells me a secret, your confident." Where does the moon get its light from? The sun...where does your confidence get its light from your ego. And to truly step aside from individuality (in my opinion seems hard) and to connect yourslef with everything around you. To understand better of 46 & 2 and everything TOOL is trying to get across watch the movie. Pi -faith in chaos-

TOOL- the band decided to name themsleves this because they wanted to teach the listerners (us) about Lachrymology, they wanted to be a tool (shed)

-peace-

p.s. yes TOOL is brillant, but their not everything, all you...go outside and do something productive.[/QUOTE]

Theres a whole section on Lachrymology on Tool's official page, actually its at the page where you can choose between the "Dissectional" art site, and the official real site, you know, the page with the brain. The section on Lachrymology is hidden on that page, but it shouldn't to hard to find for the rest of you puzzle solving Tool fans. :)

i def. agree with you on that one!!! Ænema is good if you havent actually sat and had the great experience of listening to Maynards voice....on the other hand Lateralus is so deep and i love it! but every TOOL album is kick @$$ is my opinion...

i have a really stupid question...but is it Ænima or Ænema? its spelt both ways on the cd itself...i put it Ænema...but...i dont really know! everyone else that i have seen put it...Ænima! can someone please explain....!!!!

it really does bother me as well when ppl sa they are TOOl fans when they only know one or two songs. on the other hand...im a serious TOOL fan. i own all of their cds even the string tributes. i have every **** poster and underground **** that Maynard did way back in the day (C.A.D and The TexAns) i have like 3 TOOL backpacks and all of TOOLs necklaces/rings/hats/beanies/sweatshirts/t-shirts its crazy how bad my room is....im the biggest TOOL freak around...

[QUOTE=TOOLphreak_46and2]it really does bother me as well when ppl sa they are TOOl fans when they only know one or two songs. on the other hand...im a serious TOOL fan. i own all of their cds even the string tributes. i have every **** poster and underground **** that Maynard did way back in the day (C.A.D and The TexAns) i have like 3 TOOL backpacks and all of TOOLs necklaces/rings/hats/beanies/sweatshirts/t-shirts its crazy how bad my room is....im the biggest TOOL freak around...[/QUOTE]

You can be a fan without buying everything with the word "tool" on it, you know.

[QUOTE=TOOLphreak_46and2]i have a really stupid question...but is it Ænima or Ænema? its spelt both ways on the cd itself...i put it Ænema...but...i dont really know! everyone else that i have seen put it...Ænima! can someone please explain....!!!![/QUOTE]


Both are correct for Tool titles, one is the album title, the other is the song title.

Ænima = Album
Ænema = Song

Any news on the TOOL album?

Any news on the SEARCH function?

No news, new APC album will come out first.

[QUOTE=TOOLphreak_46and2]it really does bother me as well when ppl sa they are TOOl fans when they only know one or two songs. on the other hand...im a serious TOOL fan. i own all of their cds even the string tributes. i have every **** poster and underground **** that Maynard did way back in the day (C.A.D and The TexAns) i have like 3 TOOL backpacks and all of TOOLs necklaces/rings/hats/beanies/sweatshirts/t-shirts its crazy how bad my room is....im the biggest TOOL freak around...[/QUOTE]



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[QUOTE=clearvision]Any news on the SEARCH function?

No news, new APC album will come out first.[/QUOTE]

Clever :thumb:

But why do those type of posts always appear after my posts?

i asked this in the Undertow review thread, but it got little response. Does anyone else find their copy of Undertow is 'quieter' than the other albums. Im relating to general noise rather than musical composition. I always find I have to turn up more when listening to it.

TOOLphreak,
we've had the "i'm the most true fan" "no, [B]i'm[/B] the true-est fan" debate for so long now....
i think we can just let everyone be as much or as a little a fan as they like, and if someone who's only heard one song thinks they're a fan, it really doesn't damage my standing as a tool-o-phile...
do i sound like a cranky old bastard? probably...
but if you read the last 10 pages or so, you'll understand that we've debated the topic so many times....

yes, i think I agree with AJ is God
Undertow is a little compressed compared the dynamics on Aenema, and especially Lateralus.
For ages I stopped enjoy undertow because I didn't like the mix...I still don't love sylvia massey's production on that album...however
I put on 4 degrees the other day.......my god, it blew my away again. how awesome!

I have also noticed that Undertow is quieter. I need to listen to that album more. And on the tool fan argument, just let it go. we r all tool fans here. No one cares whose the bigger tool fan. Once again i shall say that we are here to discuss tool not ourselves. Also on the lachrymology thing. Does anyone hear cry when listening to Tool? I haen't cried when listening to Tool, but i haven't put myself in that vulnerable state either. I'm gonna try it though.

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Never Spam this thread again b!tch..

Has anyone read any books that relate to some of tools philosophys? Im reading through that cool occult story on danny's website, intresting stuff. What do you guys make of it?

[url]http://dannycarey.org[/url] if you haven't seen it

Ive read several of the books. I would suggest Holy Blood Holy Grail to anyone interested in the Saunierre mystery. It is come interesting stuff and definiatly will give a person more options to consider in the grand scheme of things......