[QUOTE=Sablate McNuff;18243926]As far as which one you should sell, play them both and decide which you like better. From the tube options & 2-ohm functionality, I'd save the TW and sell the Ampeg. However, I don't have enough experience with either to really make that judgment call.[/QUOTE]

I have played both rather extensively and like the two of them equally... although odds are good I won't just pick up a TubeWorks as easily as another Ampeg. might make more sense to sell the Ampeg in that case. Either way, I've got a guy lined up who wants to buy a bass and amp from me depending on whichever one he likes more, so we'll see what happens. Many thanks for the input, Sir.

Hooray! Our album is out and we've got a handful of shows lined up. Everything's comin' up H!

:thumb:

Opening? headlining?

[QUOTE=FlamingCouch;18246645]:thumb:

Opening? headlining?[/QUOTE]

There are a couple that we've booked and are organizing, so I guess that would probably make us headliners?
Then a couple more that we've been asked to play. One is an opening slot, the other is kind of headliner-ish... we're the 3rd of 4 bands playing.

Right on man, good to hear. How soon?

Did you listen to any of my youtube poop yet?

[QUOTE=FlamingCouch;18246687]Right on man, good to hear. How soon?

Did you listen to any of my youtube poop yet?[/QUOTE]

Nov. 5
Nov. 19
Dec. 5
Jan. 7

And we might have one on Nov. 11.

I checked out some of it, yeah. I can't remember song names, but I really liked a couple of them. It didn't totally grab me, but I enjoyed it. The Fugazi cover was pretty sweet.

Eff yeah, my new pickup should be here sometime next week.

Well, I bought myself a Blue Encore 200 mic.

Looking at the charts:
[img]http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/MI/prod/B002SQJLA4-3._V214890778_.jpg[/img]

It's similar to the SM58 with respect to the low end presence. I just sold off my M-Audio USB interface, so I wont be able to record with it until I find a decent firewire interface and buy it. I'll test it through my PA tonight, though. It gets some decent reviews, it's a Blue product, and it was cheaper than a 58. Swizzle!

using it for vocals or bass?

[quote=fatbandit;18251299]using it for vocals or bass?[/quote]

Vocals.

Do you happen to know what mic has the most ridiculously good feedback rejection for live use? Quiet stage volume is killing me, and I have quite a trebly sensitive vocal mic :(

[quote=fatbandit;18251882]Do you happen to know what mic has the most ridiculously good feedback rejection for live use? Quiet stage volume is killing me, and I have quite a trebly sensitive vocal mic :([/quote]

Not at all, but Joel might.

From what I've learned in all my rehearsal vocal issues it's that you can't hear yourself well enough in the monitors, forcing you to turn up the gain/volume and therefore get feedback. If you can raise the monitor up closer to your ear, you can generally escape the issue.

Also, a noise gate might help.

really can't go wrong with an SM 58

I'm not really a 58 fan for my voice, but I'm not sure why :/ I'm not picky enough that I won't use one. It's probably what my singing is always through at shows if I don't have my own mic, but if I can find something I like better, I'll go with it.

To be honest, I don't use stage monitors at all. I prefer them to be turned off unless we're playing bigger shows. Because of the occlusal effect, I can hear my voice echoing round my skull when I sing anyway, and it blocks out the monitors pretty much. And bass through monitors sounds absolutely poop. If it's a big/loud enough show, I like a bit of kick/snare/hi-hats (if the hats are mic'd anyway) through the monitor but that's it.

[quote=fatbandit;18251919]I'm not really a 58 fan for my voice, but I'm not sure why :/ I'm not picky enough that I won't use one. It's probably what my singing is always through at shows if I don't have my own mic, but if I can find something I like better, I'll go with it.

To be honest, I don't use stage monitors at all. I prefer them to be turned off unless we're playing bigger shows. Because of the occlusal effect, I can hear my voice echoing round my skull when I sing anyway, and it blocks out the monitors pretty much. And bass through monitors sounds absolutely poop. If it's a big/loud enough show, I like a bit of kick/snare/hi-hats (if the hats are mic'd anyway) through the monitor but that's it.[/quote]

Tell the sound guy to stop running your bass through the monitors.

If you don't sound good through a 58, you never will ;)

We got a Shure Beta 58A recently. It sounds awesome... way better than the POS mic we had going before (which is now being used as the backup vocals mic, sigh).

Joel, how to vocalists keep that low-end punch when screaming and getting really loud? If I stay close to the mic for proximity, I clip the signal. If I step away, it sounds like my balls are being stepped on.

Loads of people don't actually scream very loud, but cup the mic to give loads of low end. It's a horrible technique though and doesn't translate well to recording.

[quote=fatbandit;18253088]Loads of people don't actually scream very loud, but cup the mic to give loads of low end. It's a horrible technique though and doesn't translate well to recording.[/quote]

That seems so counter-intuitive to me. I can't actually scream, but making my voice raspy/grungy definitely requires a bit of a volume boost to stay controlled.

I also tend to sing loudly anyway. It's all my years of learning to project.

Apparently Chino in Deftones is actually really quiet, and there's just a hell of a lot of compression on him. I actually need to learn to scream pretty quick without fucking my voice up :/

[quote=fatbandit;18253148]Apparently Chino in Deftones is actually really quiet, and there's just a hell of a lot of compression on him. I actually need to learn to scream pretty quick without fucking my voice up :/[/quote]

He's so breathy - it makes sense.

Whenever I listen to "Passenger," I always get annoyed with his voice. It sounds way less controlled and present than Maynard's, and I don't think they contrast nicely in that song.

Other than that, I like the Deftones.

Not gonna lie, this is pretty sick 8-string playing:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKR0RJ7E8Bc&feature=related[/url]

[quote=FunkMetalBass;18252811]Joel, how to vocalists keep that low-end punch when screaming and getting really loud? If I stay close to the mic for proximity, I clip the signal. If I step away, it sounds like my balls are being stepped on.[/quote]
With recording, they probably use an SM7 or SM7b through a really nice pre. Usually good pre's drive well, or they have a pad so if it's instantaneously too hot without any gain on the pre, you can pad that down. Still probably means the mic isn't going to be happy but meh, it usually doesn't make much difference.

So yeah, get a better preamp and use a pop shield.

P.s. Tosin never ceases to amaze me. Favorite guitarist in that style easily.

[quote=Convectuoso;18253348]With recording, they probably use an SM7 or SM7b through a really nice pre. Usually good pre's drive well, or they have a pad so if it's instantaneously too hot without any gain on the pre, you can pad that down. Still probably means the mic isn't going to be happy but meh, it usually doesn't make much difference.

So yeah, get a better preamp and use a pop shield.[/quote]

I love my pop filter.

Since I'm still investigating halfway decent mic pres, will using a compressor help out?

Haha I was just coming here to suggest that.

In studios they probably go mic, mic pre then to a nice compressor or limiter, then to the AD converters. So yeah if I was to suggest a cool little rig for you I'd go with:

GAP Pre-73. It's a reasonably priced Never 1073 clone, but with out the EQ section. It's heralded as one of the best bargains in audio.

Then get a FMR RNC (Really nice compressor) it's quite cheap and I think it's stereo. Very clean compression, but very quick attack times too.

Honestly, if you ever picked up a SM7b with that combo, and you don't sound good, it's either then the converters, which is unlikely, or it's you.

P.s. you'll still need and interface after that.

That video has some cool riffs, but the tone is horrible :( And I'm 99% sure that he could have played that on a 7 string. I haven't watched his other videos, maybe he uses the F# in them, but I don't think it's a good example of 8 string playing.

As for Chino sounding less controlled and present than MJK, I'd take that as a given? MJK has a great voice, and Chino really can't sing, haha. I'm not sure they're the best vocal pairing ever, but I do like the song better than probably half of the rest of White Pony regardless.

[quote=Convectuoso;18253532]Haha I was just coming here to suggest that.

In studios they probably go mic, mic pre then to a nice compressor or limiter, then to the AD converters. So yeah if I was to suggest a cool little rig for you I'd go with:

GAP Pre-73. It's a reasonably priced Never 1073 clone, but with out the EQ section. It's heralded as one of the best bargains in audio.

Then get a FMR RNC (Really nice compressor) it's quite cheap and I think it's stereo. Very clean compression, but very quick attack times too.

Honestly, if you ever picked up a SM7b with that combo, and you don't sound good, it's either then the converters, which is unlikely, or it's you.

P.s. you'll still need and interface after that.[/quote]

Gap Pre-73 is reasonably priced. I'll keep an eye out for a used one. The RNC is one of my favorite compressors. So simple.

I'd love a Shure SM7b, but I have some pretty high hopes for this Blue to serve me very well for studio usage.

I really need to work on my vocals, though. A pitch pipe is next on my agenda. Hello pitch-practice singing in the car.

Yeah I mean for what you get, it's an amazing price. It's on my list for my eventual dream home setup.

Yeah SM7b's are pretty overpriced to be honest, they just have a reputation so Shure can charge more than it's worth. Same with 421's.

You should be able to get a GAP on eBay if ya lucky. I have no hope over here, I can never find good gear on the second hand market :(

[quote=Convectuoso;18254405]Yeah I mean for what you get, it's an amazing price. It's on my list for my eventual dream home setup.

Yeah SM7b's are pretty overpriced to be honest, they just have a reputation so Shure can charge more than it's worth. Same with 421's.

You should be able to get a GAP on eBay if ya lucky. I have no hope over here, I can never find good gear on the second hand market :([/quote]

If shipping and imports weren't so damn high down there, I'd gladly be an intermediary for you.

By the way, I just got a .wma track back from a studio session that I did a few months ago. If you're interested, I can email it to you. From what I can tell through my sh**ty desktop speakers, the bass turned out pretty well.

[quote=FunkMetalBass;18254753]If shipping and imports weren't so damn high down there, I'd gladly be an intermediary for you.

By the way, I just got a .wma track back from a studio session that I did a few months ago. If you're interested, I can email it to you. From what I can tell through my sh**ty desktop speakers, the bass turned out pretty well.[/quote]
Yeah I've always thought about asking someone on here to hook a brother up, but you're right you get fucked by customs usually.

Sure man, send it on through, be glad to hear it.

[quote=Convectuoso;18254959]Yeah I've always thought about asking someone on here to hook a brother up, but you're right you get fucked by customs usually.

Sure man, send it on through, be glad to hear it.[/quote]

email?

So a good friend and I drank a bottle of wine each whilst watching Goodfellas last night, then decided to go on a Fallout-esque scavenging raid through some local construction and industrial sites.

I got a bottle of sunscreen, a traffic cone, a fake echidna and a bell.

While we were in one of them we saw some other people, there was this sort of awkward moment when our silhouettes and their silhouettes were starting at each other. Then we sort of moved slowly away and hid behind a shitload of empty pallets, found a shovel and got the hell out of there.

Cool story.

[QUOTE=FunkMetalBass;18254970]email?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Convectuoso;18188647]Did you not get my email the other day? Sent it to your nps vampire acc or whatevs.


it's: my first name + halford at windows live dot com[/QUOTE]

And Ryan, that's actually a really cool story. Especially "found a shovel and got the hell out of there." I had to laugh at the idea of random dudes finding other randon dudes and then... "fuck we better bolt... oh hey a shovel!" *gank*

I used to love scavenger hunts, especially construction site scavenging. Damn that brings back memories.

anyways I just came in to tell the bass forum that after nine days dead, my truck is now back up and running. 31 kilometers into the franken-engine. Had to combine my dead engine and the salvaged one to build the mecha-omni-destructo-superbeastro-engine. But so far, so good. :D

I'm a bit unsure as to why you quoted me there. :lol:

Ryan, you make my life look boring as sh*t.

[QUOTE=FunkMetalBass;18255669]I'm a bit unsure as to why you quoted me there. :lol:

Ryan, you make my life look boring as sh*t.[/QUOTE]

Just to give ya a hard time. :P

You wanna go, mo'fo?

Woah, woah woah. Do a fellow bass forum chum a favor and now I'm being [I]threatened?[/I]

Well. How we doing this. If it's a bass-off I immediately concede defeat.

If it's a swear-off, I'm French-Canadian so I can come up with some radical shit, [I]mon tabarnacle[/I].

that's all I've got. :lol: