[QUOTE=toaster135]So.. have any of you guys heard the Bloodbath album with Mikael on vocals? I've heard it's nothing special, but I want to pick it up. I'd love to hear Mikael growl to some actual death metal.[/QUOTE]

On side projects, fans of Mikael's older, more black metalish vocal style would be best advised to pick up Brave Murder Day by Katatonia.

Nothing like their newer stuff. It's very death doomish.

I can't find that album anywhere....the only albums by Katatonia I was able to find were Viva Emptiness and Today's Decision, which are both very good. I wonder when he joined Katatonia....he released the album with them right after Orchid.

He didn't technically join, he just did guest vocals on it on a few tracks.

[QUOTE=Flynn]Yeah you're right, it makes more sense to play music in a basement only entertaining the band because everyone thinks they suck, eventually becoming penniless because no one will buy their crappy record. You misinterpreted my sentence and I never gave a sh[SIZE="2"]i[/SIZE]t about your respect to begin with.[/QUOTE]
no you didn't get him either. opeth don't ask the fans for what music to do. you know why? because then it will be crap. opeth present their music from different viewpoints like it or not. so it's FOR the fans but it's equally for opeth also. there is sometimes you know, when the artist makes pieces for his developement and you can only look at it or listen to it but your oppinion doesn't count for him at all.

:lol: yes, bands that play basements freaking suck.... wait... I saw Kill Your Idols in a basement.... I saw Mastodon in a basement... I saw Letdown in a basement... I saw Circle Takes the Square in a basement...

One Mikael thing that I want to hear is Crimson by Edge of Sanity: as Dan Swano actually had a large hand in writing the clean vocal melodies on Morningrise (Black Rose Immortal features a lot of Swano-penned melodies and To Bid You Farewell has guest vocals by him during the heavy section I believe), and Mikael apparently does some awesome death screams on that album (which is supposed to be like the greatest death concept album ever anyway), I'd be interested in picking it up.

[QUOTE] yes, bands that play basements freaking suck.... wait... I saw Kill Your Idols in a basement.... I saw Mastodon in a basement... I saw Letdown in a basement... I saw Circle Takes the Square in a basement...[/QUOTE]

Vikingcore, ever since Dargon left and stopped harrassing you about your former worship of Korn, you seem to have been molding yourself in his image by acting like an elitist dick to people and dropping tr00 bands like mad when someone makes the slightest uninformed comment. This is a mistake. Give it a rest and respond to people with intelligently-thought-out arguments instead of asshattery.

Mastodon is definitely not a tr00 band. :lol: Also, he still worships Korn.

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]Mastodon is definitely not a tr00 band. :lol: Also, he still worships Korn.[/QUOTE]

Ugh, you know what I mean though. Someone made a thread in the Pit about wanting more good music and Vikingcore listed like fifty metal bands that are all below mainstream-levels and was like "Here's GOOD music!" :rolleyes: And now he's doing the name-dropping game to intimidate Flynn with his superior knowledge of metal. It's just stupid.

Flynn's point was dumb, but it isn't because Eleventeen saw Mastodon in a basement.

That does sound very interesting...especially if Dan Swano was behind some of the melodies in Black Rose Immortal. I had no idea they'd collaborated with anyone other than Steve Wilson.

[QUOTE=Hells Bells]That does sound very interesting...especially if Dan Swano was behind some of the melodies in Black Rose Immortal. I had no idea they'd collaborated with anyone other than Steve Wilson.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Swano produced Orchid and Morningrise.

So MAYH, Still Life, and GR were the only albums they did completely on their own?

[QUOTE=Hells Bells]So MAYH, Still Life, and GR were the only albums they did completely on their own?[/QUOTE]

MAYH was done by Fredrik Nordström and GR was done by Jens Bogren. Still Life is the only album where Opeth gets sole credit as producers.

[QUOTE=Cain]MAYH was done by Fredrik Nordström and GR was done by Jens Bogren. Still Life is the only album where Opeth gets sole credit as producers.[/QUOTE]
And it has the worst production, whoa.

(still my favorite album though)

[QUOTE]One Mikael thing that I want to hear is Crimson by Edge of Sanity[/QUOTE]

I have the hook up if you'd like. It's good... and long.. maybe too long. Definetly not as good as anything Opeth has done. Sometimes during Swano's clean vocal parts, he adds a power metal accent to some words. That's what I'm calling it anyways.

And if anyone else would like it just petethecowz me an AIM or email [email]petethecow@hotmail.com[/email]

i was reading the booklet for damnation, and i noticed that it says steven wilson does backing vocals on it - for some reason i can never hear him though.. can anyone tell me some points on the album where his voice is prominent?

(i could tell right away that wilson produced the album though, some parts are just so porcupine tree ! :p)

[QUOTE=Jude]And it has the worst production, whoa.

(still my favorite album though)[/QUOTE]

You think so? Morningrise and Orchid have terrible production.

[QUOTE]i was reading the booklet for damnation, and i noticed that it says steven wilson does backing vocals on it - for some reason i can never hear him though.. can anyone tell me some points on the album where his voice is prominent?[/QUOTE]

I can hear him singing the high harmony parts at the end of "Windowpane," and he sings the highest part in the three-part harmony of "To Rid the Disease."

[QUOTE=Pale-Folklore](i could tell right away that wilson produced the album though, some parts are just so porcupine tree ! :p)[/QUOTE]

Blackwater Park, and Deliverance were produced by steven too
I don't hear the "porcupine tree" in damnation, well, I can definately hear it was steven wilson who produced it, but the only musical influence he had was that he wrote the keyboard parts, and the lyrics to death whispered a lullaby.. and the keyboard parts definately doesn't sound like anything I've heard in PT

[QUOTE=Cain]You think so? Morningrise and Orchid have terrible production.



I can hear him singing the high harmony parts at the end of "Windowpane," and he sings the highest part in the three-part harmony of "To Rid the Disease."[/QUOTE]

While the production is thin on Orchid and MR, at least all the instruments are audible. On MAYH, the drum sound is totally muddy. The bass drum can barely be heard, and there's some problem with the cymbals (signal distortion?).

I never liked any of Wilson's singing in Opeth. When he does the harmonies he goes way over the top, it never sounds good. Examples: A Fair Judgement, Windowpane. He was okay in Bleak, but his voice is just really thin and weak sounding overall. It fits well in PT, mind you.

I think they blend amazingly in bleak, but I agree that their voices doesn't match too well on the damnation songs.. (And I don't think they match too well on deadwing either)

I think the worst production is on Still Life, really. It's extremely muddy and I don't like the tone of the acoustics. I do admit that Orchid and Morningrise have fairly ****ty production but I love them the way they are. And MAYH's production is great, very fitting for that album I mean. The drums sound so brutal and everything sounds so cold and dark that it just fits.

[QUOTE=ok lateralus]I think the worst production is on Still Life, really. It's extremely muddy and I don't like the tone of the acoustics. I do admit that Orchid and Morningrise have fairly ****ty production but I love them the way they are. And MAYH's production is great, very fitting for that album I mean. The drums sound so brutal and everything sounds so cold and dark that it just fits.[/QUOTE]


Yeah, I'll have to agree with that. I really like the way My Arms, Your Hearse came out, it fit the entire mood of the album.

I think the production is worst on Still Life mainly because it's so muddy whereas on MR and Orchid, it's at least clear and all the instruments are distinct. While on those first two you could even say they're TOO distinct--the whole sound doesn't mix together so well--it's still better than Still Life where everything's really muddy and mushed together. You can't hear the bass at all, and a lot of the acoustic parts have really bad tone (Face of Melinda is the worst) and on some parts like the acoustic parts of Godhead's Lament the mix is just messy and doesn't sound good.

It's still my favorite album though, like I said. And interestingly the parts I just referred to (FoM and those parts of Godhead) are some of my favorite parts of the album.

[QUOTE=Knifeboy](And I don't think they match too well on deadwing either)[/QUOTE]

I think they match up great on DW, especially on ASBNH. I think Akerfeldt really makes that song better.

[QUOTE=Jude]I think the production is worst on Still Life mainly because it's so muddy whereas on MR and Orchid, it's at least clear and all the instruments are distinct.[/QUOTE]

What? Still Life has very clear production. The only problem is the bassiness of the acoustics on Benighted and Face of Melinda. The electrics are very nicely done, though, as are the drums. Yeah, you can't hear the bass, but the type is so "wall-of-sound" anyway that it hardly matters.

The mix on MAYH is much worse.

[QUOTE=Cain]What? Still Life has very clear production. The only problem is the bassiness of the acoustics on Benighted and Face of Melinda. The electrics are very nicely done, though, as are the drums. Yeah, you can't hear the bass, but the type is so "wall-of-sound" anyway that it hardly matters.

The mix on MAYH is much worse.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, totally. MAYH is way muddier and dense-sounding. In my eyes, Still Life has almost as good production as Blackwater Park.

[QUOTE=Jude]I think the production is worst on Still Life mainly because it's so muddy whereas on MR and Orchid, it's at least clear and all the instruments are distinct. While on those first two you could even say they're TOO distinct--the whole sound doesn't mix together so well--it's still better than Still Life where everything's really muddy and mushed together. You can't hear the bass at all, and a lot of the acoustic parts have really bad tone (Face of Melinda is the worst) and on some parts like the acoustic parts of Godhead's Lament the mix is just messy and doesn't sound good.

It's still my favorite album though, like I said. And interestingly the parts I just referred to (FoM and those parts of Godhead) are some of my favorite parts of the album.[/QUOTE]


About the bass, Mendez joined right in time for the recording of the album, that might have something to do with it. Him getting used to the structure of Mikaels writing. I really wasn't too fond of the recording production on [I]Still Life[/I], but for some reason, I'm glad it turned out the way it did.

[QUOTE=toaster135]Agreed, totally. MAYH is way muddier and dense-sounding. In my eyes, Still Life has almost as good production as Blackwater Park.[/QUOTE]
It sounds good, but very few albums match the production of Blackwater Park. Combine that with amazing songwriting and you've got one hell of a recording.

I used to really love the production on Blackwater Park, but it's worn off on me. The bass drum is fairly inaudible, and the guitars don't sound as good as on GR. I know that's a pretty rare opinion, but I love GR's production.. one of the best I've ever heard.

GR's production is fantastic. It's the first album with Mendez on (excluding Damnation) that you can hear everything he does. Only the vocals take a slight hit because Wilson is a god at vocal production, but everything else is perfect.

I think the production on Blackwater Park is extremely unique and sounds just amazing to my ears, while GR's production is just very good. The thing that strikes me about it is that it's crystal clear.