[QUOTE=Cain]Right on, I bet you anything expectations were what caused negative opinions. On the other hand, let's face it, the true Opeth fan, IMO, shouldn't really expect anything. I love Morningrise, but they're never going to do that again. Even Still Life and Blackwater Park's styles are things of the past, and I grew to love Opeth on those albums. I had already accepted that nothing on Ghost Reveries was likely going to contain anything I most wanted to see. With that, I was able to enjoy the direction they DID take.[/QUOTE]


That's a good point. When I first heard Damnation I thought to myself ''what the hell is this?'' Now, admittedly, it's been in my car CD case for over 3 months and listen to it frequently. [B]O[/B]peth is really good at coming up with something new upon each release, which is very healthy for a band especially in this genre. Who wants to listen to the same style 9 albums in a row? Not I. I also grew to love Blackwater Park and Still Life, yet at first, I didn't care for them. They grew on me like vines.

I wonder if other Opeth albums were bashed as much as GR when they first came out? I'm sure in about a year or two, when their next album comes out, the general opinion on GR will be higher.

[QUOTE=MidnightRider]I wonder if other Opeth albums were bashed as much as GR when they first came out? I'm sure in about a year or two, when their next album comes out, the general opinion on GR will be higher.[/QUOTE]

MAYH caused an uproar in Opeth's first fans. SOOO many people hated it at first, from what I can tell.

The thing that kills me is that as they get lighter, they're more open to accusations of "selling out." Even if it's to gain a wider audience, that's not a bad thing, and I hate that people treat it that way.

[QUOTE=MidnightRider]I wonder if other Opeth albums were bashed as much as GR when they first came out? I'm sure in about a year or two, when their next album comes out, the general opinion on GR will be higher.[/QUOTE]

Yeah did anyone compile a list of forum members who liked Ghost Reveries shortly after its release? I'm currently starting an elitest circle called the "Longterm Opethites who liked Ghost Reveries First Club". </sarcasm>

Anyway, I found the progression on Ghost Reveries to be very natural--especially the clean vocals (I mention them because they factor into the "lighter" more "accessible" sound Cain's talking about). The vocals on many of the tracks simply weren't possible until now. Mikael's grown as a vocalist since Opeth's beginnings, its only logical that he's going to explore the new territory that goes along with such growth. I think similiar logic can be applied to many of the other concerns about GR.

I also remember Cain was initially dissappointed in GR since it wasn't quite a quantum leap in terms of sound and development. And although I think he was expecting too much, his feelings were also right--GR isn't exactly a radical departure from the Opeth sound we all know too well. I'm still surprised so many single it out as remarkably poor.

*Completely Unrelated* I'm currently really enjoying Pain of Salvation right now.

[QUOTE=ElectricalStorm]Yeah did anyone compile a list of forum members who liked Ghost Reveries shortly after its release? I'm currently starting an elitest circle called the "Longterm Opethites who liked Ghost Reveries First Club". </sarcasm>[/QUOTE]

Count me in. I've always been a defender of that particular faith. :)

[QUOTE]Anyway, I found the progression on Ghost Reveries to be very natural--especially the clean vocals (I mention them because they factor into the "lighter" more "accessible" sound Cain's talking about). The vocals on many of the tracks simply weren't possible until now. Mikael's grown as a vocalist since Opeth's beginnings, its only logical that he's going to explore the new territory that goes along with such growth. I think similiar logic can be applied to many of the other concerns about GR.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, totally.

[QUOTE]I also remember Cain was initially dissappointed in GR since it wasn't quite a quantum leap in terms of sound and development. And although I think he was expecting too much, his feelings were also right--GR isn't exactly a radical departure from the Opeth sound we all know too well. I'm still surprised so many single it out as remarkably poor.[/QUOTE]

Hmmm, I don't think I was ever disappointed in it, to be honest. I remember claiming that there was little difference in sound back when I was arguing with Flynn over whether or not it was the worst Opeth ever did, in which I used comparisons that may have led you to believe that I was disappointed, which was not the case. I have always from the moment I first heard it been quite taken with it (you may remember that I initially liked it more than I liked "Deliverance" when I first got that) and enjoy it even more now.

I was blown away first time I heard GR.. And still love it

When I listen to Opeth, it takes me somewhere else. I'm listening to Ghost Reveries right now (I'm at The Baying of the Hounds at the moment...KILLER SONG) and I can't get enough of them, I want more, like you (Flynn) said it'll do to you. I also own Still Life and Blackwater Park. I didn't start listening to them until about 4 months ago. I loved Blackwater Park and Still Life, but I didn't have the lyrics for them, so I could only understand the singing. But then I bought Ghost Reveries with some of my Christmas money, and OMG. The lyrics are wonderfull. Mikael Akerfeldt is a f*cking genious. He's such a great vocalist too. He has a beautiful singing voice, and deep monsterous growls. I'm hopein to see them next month in concert. Tickets are only $20. I have the money, but the only problem is, the place is about 1 hour and 15 minutes away from my house, and I need to find a ride there. If I find a ride, I'm going without a doubt. If you haven't listened to Opeth before, go get an album ASAP.

[QUOTE=Flynn] But he has to understand, music isn't for the band, it's for the fans. Without us, bands wouldn't exist leading to why certain forms of criticism is and always will be utterly important to bands worldwide.[/QUOTE]

You just lost all my respect for posting that.

That way of looking at music should be reserved for britney spears fans

The Walrus Of OCTOBER!!!
The Night and The Silent Fart

[QUOTE=ElectricalStorm]Yeah did anyone compile a list of forum members who liked Ghost Reveries shortly after its release? I'm currently starting an elitest circle called the "Longterm Opethites who liked Ghost Reveries First Club". </sarcasm>

Anyway, I found the progression on Ghost Reveries to be very natural--especially the clean vocals (I mention them because they factor into the "lighter" more "accessible" sound Cain's talking about). The vocals on many of the tracks simply weren't possible until now. Mikael's grown as a vocalist since Opeth's beginnings, its only logical that he's going to explore the new territory that goes along with such growth. I think similiar logic can be applied to many of the other concerns about GR.

I also remember Cain was initially dissappointed in GR since it wasn't quite a quantum leap in terms of sound and development. And although I think he was expecting too much, his feelings were also right--GR isn't exactly a radical departure from the Opeth sound we all know too well. I'm still surprised so many single it out as remarkably poor.

*Completely Unrelated* I'm currently really enjoying Pain of Salvation right now.[/QUOTE]

I liked GR from the start :p

I don't see why people think that they're selling out with this album. Actually I think it's kind of ironic, because it isn't any more accessible than their previous releases, so there's no guarantee that it would appeal to a wider audience, and I'm sure they knew that they'd be pissing of a whole lot of old fans...in short they were going against the grain in every way. They were appealing to no one's taste but their own.

I do like mikaels growling on GR, I can understand the lyrics with out having to read them.

Ghost Reveries <3

Oh, and GR is a little more accessable than their other albums. It'd say it was way more accessable than something like Orchid or MAYH.

I liked GR more before I heard other stuff by Opeth :\ but I don't dislike it now.

How does going lighter make Opeth sellouts? I find some of their lighter stuff even harder and more complicated to listen to than their heavier stuff.

GR is still, imo, one of their greatest albums.
I mean, it doesn't quite compare to Still Life or Blackwater Park, but its a stonker of an album in its own right!

[QUOTE=Shattered_Future]How does going lighter make Opeth sellouts? I find some of their lighter stuff even harder and more complicated to listen to than their heavier stuff.[/QUOTE]
Some people will call their favorite bands sellouts just for lack of anything better to do. Look at In Flames. All they did was start to suck and all of a sudden everyone's bitching about how they sold out.

[QUOTE=Knifeboy]You just lost all my respect for posting that.
That way of looking at music should be reserved for britney spears fans[/QUOTE]

Yeah you're right, it makes more sense to play music in a basement only entertaining the band because everyone thinks they suck, eventually becoming penniless because no one will buy their crappy record. You misinterpreted my sentence and I never gave a sh[SIZE="2"]i[/SIZE]t about your respect to begin with.

[QUOTE=Flynn]roflmao, it's probably not really him. Like he would have the time to come on a Forum just to explain that little detail to one individual? Even so, I don't bash that album, It is simply my least favorite of Opeth's recordings...that's all.[/QUOTE]

Yes, it's definitely Mike...M-Lo used to post there anonymously, Lee B. (their old tour manager) posted under Lee B., Anders Nordin posted there under ante.

[QUOTE=Flynn]Yeah you're right, it makes more sense to play music in a basement only entertaining the band because everyone thinks they suck, eventually becoming penniless because no one will buy their crappy record. You misinterpreted my sentence and I never gave a sh[SIZE="2"]i[/SIZE]t about your respect to begin with.[/QUOTE]
*Gets out of the way*

[QUOTE=Jude]Some people will call their favorite bands sellouts just for lack of anything better to do. Look at In Flames. All they did was [B]start to suck [/B]and all of a sudden everyone's bitching about how they sold out.[/QUOTE]

I love StYE. They definitely changed to a more alternative-influenced sound, but it doesn't mean they got any worse.

[QUOTE=vashts80]Yes, it's definitely Mike...M-Lo used to post there anonymously, Lee B. (their old tour manager) posted under Lee B., Anders Nordin posted there under ante.[/QUOTE]


That's kinda cool, it shows he cares a lot about what the forum community has to say. BTW, I had your back in that [I]one[/I] thread the other day. They were being complete jerks; You know what I'm talking about.

[QUOTE=Flynn]That's kinda cool, it shows he cares a lot about what the forum community has to say. BTW, I had your back in that [I]one[/I] thread the other day. They were being complete jerks; You know what I'm talking about.[/QUOTE]
What are you guys names on that forum? I'm also Jude on there.

[QUOTE=Jude]What are you guys names on that forum? I'm also Jude on there.[/QUOTE]

I'm NicholasDWolfwood

[QUOTE=Jude]What are you guys names on that forum? I'm also Jude on there.[/QUOTE]


I'm not a member there, I was reffering to the Metallica Inc. thread here.

[QUOTE=Flynn]I'm not a member there, I was reffering to the Metallica Inc. thread here.[/QUOTE]
Oh ok.

[QUOTE=Flynn]Yeah you're right, it makes more sense to play music in a basement only entertaining the band because everyone thinks they suck, eventually becoming penniless because no one will buy their crappy record. You misinterpreted my sentence and I never gave a sh[SIZE="2"]i[/SIZE]t about your respect to begin with.[/QUOTE]

Opeth didn't start out making music to become famous. They didn't start out making Orchid to please anyone but themselves. It was sheer luck that anyone actually thought they had made good music. Everytime Opeth changes it is to please noone but themselves, and that's how good music comes about, good music doesn't come from trying to please the fans, usually if you try to please the fans, crappy music emerges. I can't believe any Opeth fan could even think the thought that Opeth owes them something, how incredibly arrogant.

So.. have any of you guys heard the Bloodbath album with Mikael on vocals? I've heard it's nothing special, but I want to pick it up. I'd love to hear Mikael growl to some actual death metal.

[QUOTE=toaster135]So.. have any of you guys heard the Bloodbath album with Mikael on vocals? I've heard it's nothing special, but I want to pick it up. I'd love to hear Mikael growl to some actual death metal.[/QUOTE]

its allright, but his growls are very different from opeth.

[QUOTE=toaster135]So.. have any of you guys heard the Bloodbath album with Mikael on vocals? I've heard it's nothing special, but I want to pick it up. I'd love to hear Mikael growl to some actual death metal.[/QUOTE]

I didn't even know that he did the vox for Bloodbath...

[quote=Jack Daniels]its allright, but his growls are very different from opeth.[/quote]

Yeah I'd expect he'd change his style a bit to fit the music...how are they different?

It's a good album. Very old school death.

I still say that Nightmares Made Flesh is a better album.