[QUOTE=Cain]I guess I wouldn't either, to be honest.

I'm just sick of people acting like Morningrise is some fully-formed masterpiece never to be surpassed by anybody anywhere. It's awesome within its own paradigm, but come on. It's so amateur. You've got to look at Morningrise in more contexts than its individual quality. Flynn sees Morningrise in terms of a bare-bones musical standpoint, and has a great love for it that borders on fanboyism. That's great and valid, because much of the musical content of Morningrise is excellent and even downright beautiful, but as a composer of similar music who has grown from his beginning attempts to emulate his influences, and who appreciates growth in skill of the same sort in other groups, I see Morningrise in terms of Opeth's later output, and I see endless signs of compositional adolescence. And that's valid too.[/QUOTE]
I got one thing to say to that




Burn

[QUOTE=guitrguy]I got one thing to say to that




Burn[/QUOTE]

I'm not trying to be overly harsh. :( I sound like a bit of a know-it-all, that's not my intention. My opinion nevertheless stands.

In other words, it wasn't exactly directed at you or anybody in particular so I hope you don't take offense.

I agree with you for the most part. I think that one thing you are discounting, however, is the spirit of experimentation. Many of the (admittedly) awkward transitions in Morningrise were probably intentional...the band was at the point where they were tired of hearing what other bands had been doing at that point, and were trying to do something different. The progression, in my eyes, was to actually making this unpredictability FLOW, which was achieved on later albums. Morningrise stands for what it was, and, especially, when it was.

[QUOTE=Cain]I'm not trying to be overly harsh. :( I sound like a bit of a know-it-all, that's not my intention. My opinion nevertheless stands.

In other words, it wasn't exactly directed at you or anybody in particular so I hope you don't take offense.[/QUOTE]
You put your opinion eloquently, and I understand and agree with it. There's nothing wrong with Morningrise, but Opeth's later stuff[I] is[/I] more complex, and displays a shift in the level of understanding of what they wanted to achieve.

Why i oughtta, when im less tired ill make a good point on why morningrise is so great.
Come to think of it, my favourite album is now still life.
Omg hahahaha

I was also wondering something else just awhile ago.

What is black rose immortal about? People say its about vampires or satan.
I havent dug too deep into the song to fetch my own interpretation of the song.

[QUOTE=Cain]When the twenty minute song is made up of two-minute cycles it means that somebody forgot to hire an editor, not that "it works." :p[/QUOTE]


I don't know about you, but i'd rather [I]not[/I] listen to the same riff played over and over and over, especially for 20 minutes. They didn't forget anything, it's called good songwriting.

[QUOTE=Flynn]I don't know about you, but i'd rather [I]not[/I] listen to the same riff played over and over and over, especially for 20 minutes. They didn't forget anything, it's called good songwriting.[/QUOTE]

I was being facetious.

Cain you raise some good points, and I don't want to challenge any of them. I agree 100% with you.

And you have the hottest avatar I've seen in a while. :D

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]I agree with you for the most part. I think that one thing you are discounting, however, is the spirit of experimentation. Many of the (admittedly) awkward transitions in Morningrise were probably intentional...the band was at the point where they were tired of hearing what other bands had been doing at that point, and were trying to do something different. The progression, in my eyes, was to actually making this unpredictability FLOW, which was achieved on later albums. Morningrise stands for what it was, and, especially, when it was.[/QUOTE]

I agree with this. This is probably why I still enjoy Morningrise anyway. :)

[QUOTE=Cain]I guess I wouldn't either, to be honest.

I'm just sick of people acting like Morningrise is some fully-formed masterpiece never to be surpassed by anybody anywhere. It's awesome within its own paradigm, but come on. It's so amateur. You've got to look at Morningrise in more contexts than its individual quality. Flynn sees Morningrise in terms of a bare-bones musical standpoint, and has a great love for it that borders on fanboyism. That's great and valid, because much of the musical content of Morningrise is excellent and even downright beautiful, but as a composer of similar music who has grown from his beginning attempts to emulate his influences, and who appreciates growth in skill of the same sort in other groups, I see Morningrise in terms of Opeth's later output, and I see endless signs of compositional adolescence. And that's valid too.[/QUOTE]
I actually totally agree with you. It's like they had great ideas but didn't organize things that well.

[QUOTE=aphotic__713]

What is black rose immortal about? People say its about vampires or satan.
I havent dug too deep into the song to fetch my own interpretation of the song.[/QUOTE]

i always thought the whole album was about losing a loved one or something. yeah :P i haven't dug too deep into the lyrics either

[QUOTE=Cain]I guess I wouldn't either, to be honest.

I'm just sick of people acting like Morningrise is some fully-formed masterpiece never to be surpassed by anybody anywhere. It's awesome within its own paradigm, but come on. It's so amateur. You've got to look at Morningrise in more contexts than its individual quality. Flynn sees Morningrise in terms of a bare-bones musical standpoint, and has a great love for it that borders on fanboyism. That's great and valid, because much of the musical content of Morningrise is excellent and even downright beautiful, but as a composer of similar music who has grown from his beginning attempts to emulate his influences, and who appreciates growth in skill of the same sort in other groups, I see Morningrise in terms of Opeth's later output, and I see endless signs of compositional adolescence. And that's valid too.[/QUOTE]
It's actually kind of eerie how you often articulate my exact opinion perfectly. This has happened several times before.

[QUOTE=Cain]I guess I wouldn't either, to be honest.

I'm just sick of people acting like Morningrise is some fully-formed masterpiece never to be surpassed by anybody anywhere. It's awesome within its own paradigm, but come on. It's so amateur. You've got to look at Morningrise in more contexts than its individual quality. Flynn sees Morningrise in terms of a bare-bones musical standpoint, and has a great love for it that borders on fanboyism. That's great and valid, because much of the musical content of Morningrise is excellent and even downright beautiful, but as a composer of similar music who has grown from his beginning attempts to emulate his influences, and who appreciates growth in skill of the same sort in other groups, I see Morningrise in terms of Opeth's later output, and I see endless signs of compositional adolescence. And that's valid too.[/QUOTE]

I concur. Especially with the transitions between electric and acoustic parts, the fade-ins/outs, and the odd tempo changes, that album, along with Orchid, is a lot more awkward compositionally than all of Opeth's later albums.

Kage, I was thinking the exact same thing.

:)

Thanks guys, that's a nice thing for you to say.

I agree with Cain, but I still love Morningrise.

[QUOTE=Cain]Flynn sees Morningrise in terms of a bare-bones musical standpoint, and has a great love for it that borders on fanboyism.[/QUOTE]

I love Morningrise because of it's complexity, intricacy and superb songwriting which was ahead of it's time when it came out. I see Morningrise from a musician standpoint that borders on years of playing. I like the style displayed on it and that's my opinion on this subject.

I just got 3 tickets to Opeth on March 8th. :D

This rawks.

[QUOTE=Flynn]I love Morningrise because of it's complexity, intricacy and superb songwriting which was ahead of it's time when it came out. I see Morningrise from a musician standpoint that borders on years of playing. I like the style displayed on it and that's my opinion on this subject.[/QUOTE]

Don't worry, I like it too, I was just trying to showcase a different perspective. The "fanboy" thing was a bit mean-sounding, I'm sorry.

[QUOTE=Dunkelheit509]I just got 3 tickets to Opeth on March 8th. :D

This rawks.[/QUOTE]

I just got three tickets as well. I'm seeing them on February 28th, got the tickets for my birthday.

:) Extremely excited.

[QUOTE=Cain]Don't worry, I like it too, I was just trying to showcase a different perspective. The "fanboy" thing was a bit mean-sounding, I'm sorry.[/QUOTE]


It's all good, I understand. I [I]do[/I] agree with a lof of what you've typed though, I can see your points and respect your opinion. :)

[QUOTE=Dunkelheit509]I just got 3 tickets to Opeth on March 8th. :D

This rawks.[/QUOTE]


I would love to see that show, DT and [B]O[/B]peth would be tight.

[QUOTE=toaster135]I just got three tickets as well. I'm seeing them on February 28th, got the tickets for my birthday.

:) Extremely excited.[/QUOTE]
My mom said I can't go unless I bring my chem mark up. :mad:


Looks like I'm not going after all. :upset:

Damn you organic chem... :p

[QUOTE=toaster135]I just got three tickets as well. I'm seeing them on February 28th, got the tickets for my birthday.

:) Extremely excited.[/QUOTE]


Where's it at?

London, ON. Some place called The Drink Nightclub. I'm really hoping there's no age restriction, though I've been to a few other nightclub concerts and it's been all ages.

Anyone know how I could contact the band via email?

The points made about Morningrise are good, but it still achieves a consistent feel throughout, which no other Opeth album can touch. While each song may suffer from poor transitions, the entire album stays together in terms of the mood it creates.

I cannot stand to listen to any song besides BRI alone. They just aren't that good. But from back to back, they blend perfectly together. The album reaches its climax during the buildup right before the solo is unleashed in BRI at around 16:30 with TBYF ending the musical journey flawlessly.

I don't care that each song is lacking in certain areas, it's the entire listen that I care about. Listening to Morningrise in the pitch black is one of the most enjoyable experiences I've ever had.



I'm so lucky as to have Opeth come within two hours TWICE on this tour. But I also only have one friend who likes them. Unfortunately, he doesn't want to go. It might be too much money (wtf yeah $20ohhhhahnono).

I'm faced with a choice of going alone, or not going at all. Seeing Opeth alone might be fun, but Sigur Ros would probably be much better (alone).

Hmm... what to do.

The band? No idea.. why would you contact them? Couldn't you e-mail the venue?

Actually, I just wrote a music ISU on Mikael Akerfeldt that I'm particularly proud of. I figure I'll send it to the band, tell them how much I enjoy their music, and politely request a backstage pass. It can't hurt.

[QUOTE=Dunkelheit509]Cain you raise some good points, and I don't want to challenge any of them. I agree 100% with you.

And you have the hottest avatar I've seen in a while. :D[/QUOTE]

I dunno...Zakath has found some pretty nice ones, and a guy had this one up of Raven Riley that was hot as hell.

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]I dunno...Zakath has found some pretty nice ones, and a guy had this one up of Raven Riley that was hot as hell.[/QUOTE]

Zakath also posted about his heterosexuality by backing it up with a picture of a transvestite. :-\ That was the manliest jawline I've ever seen. And those wrists!

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]I dunno...Zakath has found some pretty nice ones, and a guy had this one up of Raven Riley that was hot as hell.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, I forgot about that one he had of that wonderfull a[I]s[/I]s... :naughty:

That was good...

/zones out

I was in another Opeth forum and they were making new names that sound like their song names that were funny. I came up with "The Walrus Of October". lol what can you come up with?