It is a hard decision. But I kinda like the part where they made the transition from old opeth to new opeth.

Like MAYH. Still Life is awesome as well. It was my least favorite album a month ago:D

I think that MAYH was still old Opeth. They didn't make a real drastic change until Blackwater Park, methinks. And that's my favorite album by them, in case you've missed my constant raving about it before. :thumb:

To those of you who heard the interview posts before, did Mikael say if they were making another DVD or did he not? I can't remember.

IF he was making another DVD, He would have to get the copyrights to the older albums [B]if[/B] he was going to play the older ones.

It'd be pretty weird showcasing just one album in a DVD.


I think there was a change in MAYH, listen to Morningrise and Orchid, Mikael screams. Mikael starts to growl in MAYH and theres less leads as well.

[QUOTE=Crysiss]IF he was making another DVD, He would have to get the copyrights to the older albums [B]if[/B] he was going to play the older ones.

It'd be pretty weird showcasing just one album in a DVD.


I think there was a change in MAYH, listen to Morningrise and Orchid, Mikael screams. Mikael starts to growl in MAYH and theres less leads as well.[/QUOTE]
I bet he'd get the copyrights if he needed to seeing as how he's the principle songwriter for the band.

Sure, there's less leads and the screams have changed, but every band changes over time. The first drastic change was with BWP, with which they had superb production and a new musical style.

[QUOTE=Thor]I think that MAYH was still old Opeth. They didn't make a real drastic change until Blackwater Park, methinks. And that's my favorite album by them, in case you've missed my constant raving about it before. :thumb:
[/QUOTE]

Nah, Opeth changed EVERYTHING with My Arms, Your Hearse. They became more dissonant and darker, and moved away from the harmonised gothenburgish sound and came into their own even more. They still use many of the traits today that they first began to use in MAYH.

Blackwater Park didn't change style *that* much from Still Life. The biggest change is Morningrise to MAYH by far.

or Deliverance to Damnation if you're being picky, but that dosn't really count.

I even think there's a fair bit in common between MAYH and Blackwater park, in style.

[QUOTE=Shadius]Nah, Opeth changed EVERYTHING with My Arms, Your Hearse. They became more dissonant and darker, and moved away from the harmonised gothenburgish sound and came into their own even more. They still use many of the traits today that they first began to use in MAYH.

Blackwater Park didn't change style *that* much from Still Life. The biggest change is Morningrise to MAYH by far.

or Deliverance to Damnation if you're being picky, but that dosn't really count.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. I dont really see much of a change from SL to BWP as how morningrise went to MAYH.

[QUOTE=Shadius]Nah, Opeth changed EVERYTHING with My Arms, Your Hearse. They became more dissonant and darker, and moved away from the harmonised gothenburgish sound and came into their own even more. They still use many of the traits today that they first began to use in MAYH.

Blackwater Park didn't change style *that* much from Still Life. The biggest change is Morningrise to MAYH by far.

or Deliverance to Damnation if you're being picky, but that dosn't really count.

I even think there's a fair bit in common between MAYH and Blackwater park, in style.[/QUOTE]
Deliverance and Damnation doesn't count. :p

I guess you're right about MAYH being the biggest change. It's my least favorite album by them, so I can't say that I listen to it that often.

Shadius = yes.

The biggest drastic changes in Opeth's style were from MR to MAYH - the two albums almost sound like they're by different bands - and from Deliverance to Ghost Reveries. One could say Damnation is a sort of transition between Deliverance and GR. The influence of keyboards was a major stylistic change; the other changes since MAYH had mostly been gradual (unless you count the change from crappy production on Still Life to excellent production on BWP, but aside from that the two albums are nearly the same in terms of musical style).

[QUOTE=Thor]Deliverance and Damnation doesn't count. :p

I guess you're right about MAYH being the biggest change. It's my least favorite album by them, so I can't say that I listen to it that often.[/QUOTE]

Go out, at night, for a walk, and while avoiding getting mugged, play that album.

It really is amazing. I'm not into tons and tons of heavy music like a lot of Opeth fans are, and MAHY still really appeals to me, it has this amazing atmosphere. I just love it.

[QUOTE=Jude]Shadius = yes.

The biggest drastic changes in Opeth's style were from MR to MAYH - the two albums almost sound like they're by different bands - and from Deliverance to Ghost Reveries. One could say Damnation is a sort of transition between Deliverance and GR. The influence of keyboards was a major stylistic change; the other changes since MAYH had mostly been gradual (unless you count the change from crappy production on Still Life to excellent production on BWP, [B]but aside from that the two albums are nearly the same in terms of musical style[/B]).[/QUOTE]

Thats what I thought as well.

<---Doesnt count production quality as a change.

Plus, Steven Wilson made quite an impact on Opeth's style in the more modern days.

While MR and MAYH are different, I wouldn't go so far to say that they sound like they're from different bands. Had I have not heard one of the albums and someone was playing it, I would be able to recognize that it was Opeth.

MR is simply fantastic. I just finished Black Rose Immortal and now To Bid You Farewell just came on, which is one of my favorite songs ever. :)

Also, MAYH had more flow to it than the previous albums.

BRI is amazing, I like the part where he whispers "Black Rose Immortal".

[QUOTE=Thor]While MR and MAYH are different, I wouldn't go so far to say that they sound like they're from different bands. Had I have not heard one of the albums and someone was playing it, I would be able to recognize that it was Opeth.[/QUOTE]

Hmmm.. Even though his growling is much deeper and sounds very different?

And the songs became darker and more chord based and dissonant rather than being melodic. And the fact that guitar harmonies were pretty much dropped entirely? And the song structures being totally different?

The only link in terms of style is possibly Mikaels clean voice being recognised, or the fact that they still use the clean/heavy thing... which, a lot of bands do.

Retrospect is a wonderful thing.

Pretty much everything changed between MR and MAYH, aside from the basic "long songs that switch between death metal and classical acoustic" premise. The guitar playing went from Gothenberg style with lots of guitar harmonies to a heavier, dissonant style...the drumming and bass playing styles changed pretty much completely (due of course to the loss of De Farfalla and Nordin) and the clean vocals took on a larger part while the growling style became much deeper. Not to mention MAYH took the first steps towards the "actual song structure" direction as opposed to just "play a riff for a while then go on to another and never replay the first" style of the first two albums.

[QUOTE=Jude]Pretty much everything changed between MR and MAYH, aside from the basic "long songs that switch between death metal and classical acoustic" premise. The guitar playing went from Gothenberg style with lots of guitar harmonies to a heavier, dissonant style...the drumming and bass playing styles changed pretty much completely (due of course to the loss of De Farfalla and Nordin) and the clean vocals took on a larger part while the growling style became much deeper. Not to mention MAYH took the first steps towards the "actual song structure" direction as opposed to just [B]"play a riff for a while then go on to another and never replay the first" [/B]style of the first two albums.[/QUOTE]

Thats what I didnt really like about the first two albums.

[QUOTE=Crysiss]Thats what I didnt really like about the first two albums.[/QUOTE]

Me too, but some people seem to love it.

Agreed.

np. Into the frost of winter

[QUOTE=Shadius]Me too, but some people seem to love it.[/QUOTE]
Well, I love Morningrise, but it's in spite of that, not because of it.

[QUOTE=Jude]Pretty much everything changed between MR and MAYH, aside from the basic "long songs that switch between death metal and classical acoustic" premise. The guitar playing went from Gothenberg style with lots of guitar harmonies to a heavier, dissonant style...the drumming and bass playing styles changed pretty much completely (due of course to the loss of De Farfalla and Nordin) and the clean vocals took on a larger part while the growling style became much deeper. Not to mention MAYH took the first steps towards the "actual song structure" direction as opposed to just "play a riff for a while then go on to another and never replay the first" style of the first two albums.[/QUOTE]
It's true, the original songs didn't have as much structure as the new ones did, but I don't see much of a problem with that. They were younger and not as experienced musicians. They've all become alot better and know much more about how to write a song that would keep a listnener hooked alot more.

New Opeth is alot easier on the ears than the older material was. It's less confusing if you ask me. But don't get me wrong, the older material is still fantastic stuff. They've just gotten better with time.

[QUOTE=Crysiss]Thats what I didnt really like about the first two albums.[/QUOTE]
I honetsly like that because is keeps the songs fresh, and say alot about their creativity, but all that is just my opinion.

[QUOTE=Diabolus in Musica]I honetsly like that because is keeps the songs fresh, and say alot about their creativity, but all that is just my opinion.[/QUOTE]
It keeps them fresh, but at some points they don't seem like songs. At times it sounds like just a bunch of separate riffs piled together.

I still like it though, but the structure a bit slack.

[QUOTE=Thor]It keeps them fresh, but at some points they don't seem like songs. At times it sounds like just a bunch of separate riffs piled together.

I still like it though, but the structure a bit slack.[/QUOTE]
For some reason I don't get that sense.

[QUOTE=Diabolus in Musica]For some reason I don't get that sense.[/QUOTE]
I don't get it on most of their songs, but there are a few times on Orchid and Morningrise where the song does a total 360 on me and it confuses me a bit. It doesn't anymore because I know the songs very well, but for a first time listener I could see them thinking that the songs could be a bit random at times.

[QUOTE=Thor]I don't get it on most of their songs, but there are a few times on Orchid and Morningrise where the song does a total 360 on me and it confuses me a bit. It doesn't anymore because I know the songs very well, but for a first time listener I could see them thinking that the songs could be a bit random at times.[/QUOTE]
I get what you're saying now, basically that they take a complete change in the feel and sound in the middle of the song.

Yeah, now you're getting what I'm saying. Do you agree, or do you just now comprehend what I was trying to tell you?

Finally got my lamentations DVD last week. :D I was impressed. They play great live.

[QUOTE=Futuro]Finally got my lamentations DVD last week. :D I was impressed. They play great live.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I just got mine yesterday and I've been watching it alot.

While the performance is fan-freakin-tastic, I still wish there were older songs on there. But you can't have everything.

[QUOTE=Futuro]Finally got my lamentations DVD last week. :D I was impressed. They play great live.[/QUOTE]
The only problem is they really don't change anything from on the albums...they just play the songs exactly as recorded. I guess now with Per they rearrange things for keyboards, but not on the DVD.

[QUOTE=Thor]It's true, the original songs didn't have as much structure as the new ones did, but I don't see much of a problem with that. They were younger and not as experienced musicians. They've all become alot better and know much more about how to write a song that would keep a listnener hooked alot more.

New Opeth is alot easier on the ears than the older material was. It's less confusing if you ask me. But don't get me wrong, the older material is still fantastic stuff. They've just gotten better with time.[/QUOTE]

I still love Morningrise and Orchid alot, Its just that I prefer to have a flow to the song. And yes, I know about the points you've made.

and congrats on the DVD coming in:thumb:

I think that it was Thor that I was discussing with about the DVD.

[QUOTE=Thor]Yeah, now you're getting what I'm saying. Do you agree, or do you just now comprehend what I was trying to tell you?[/QUOTE]
I personally love there early stuff because of that fact, so no I don't agree but comprehend what you are saying:thumb: .

[QUOTE=Thor]Yeah I just got mine yesterday and I've been watching it alot.

While the performance is fan-freakin-tastic, I still wish there were older songs on there. But you can't have everything.[/QUOTE]

I know what you mean. For awhile I was wondering why there wasnt the older stuff on there til I realized they had different labels.

[QUOTE=Crysiss]I know what you mean. For awhile I was wondering why there wasnt the older stuff on there til I realized they had different labels.[/QUOTE]

Apparently they played Demon of the Fall as an encore at the show, but it obviously wasn't put on the DVD.

*sigh*

Label reasons. Opeth's label at the time didn't own the rights to any of their pre BWP stuff.

Which is funny because without knowing that and watching the DVD, it looks like they just dicked the crowd despite all the "Demon" chants :lol:

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]Label reasons. Opeth's label at the time didn't own the rights to any of their pre BWP stuff.[/QUOTE]

Really? Man, I always thought they just dicked the crowd, like you^ said. I feel a bit better about it now.

Which one's better, My Arms, Your Hearse or Blackwaterpark? I actually sat here for like 5 minutes debating and I can't pick. They both have so much good songs on them.

MAYH in personal opinion.

Last night was a slight let down for me setlist wise, (Sydney Opeth show)

Ghost of perdition
White cluster
The amen corner
The baying of the hounds
Closure
Under the weeping moon
The grand conjuration
The Leper affinity

I would've prefered to see some tracks like

Moonlapse Vertigo
April Ethereal
Bleak
Advent
Atonement
Demon of the fall
windowpane

But that's just my preference, it was a decent show though:).

No Demon of the Fall?

[QUOTE=UpperDecker]Which one's better, My Arms, Your Hearse or Blackwaterpark? I actually sat here for like 5 minutes debating and I can't pick. They both have so much good songs on them.[/QUOTE]
I'm going with MAYH.

A tough one indeed... BWP I have more history with, but MAYH has the consistency that BWP doesn't have, so I'll give it to MAYH. Though I think the song BWP is better then anything on The Hearse.

Ehh...I think BWP is better than Hearse in terms of overall quality AND consistency.