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Jude 01-20-2006 01:33 PM

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]Really? Those seem to be the most common CDs in retail stores.[/QUOTE]
Those two, GR, and BWP are everywhere.

Once in a while I see Orchid or Morningrise. I have NEVER seen MAYH or Still Life. And I'm talking about FYE, Tower, etc.

Stormrider 01-20-2006 01:51 PM

[QUOTE=Jude]Those two, GR, and BWP are everywhere.

Once in a while I see Orchid or Morningrise. I have NEVER seen MAYH or Still Life. And I'm talking about FYE, Tower, etc.[/QUOTE]

Ive seen MAYH once if i remember right. Never saw Orchid, or Still Life though.

The most common around here is Deliverance and Ghost Reveries.

pyroseraphin 01-20-2006 03:54 PM

I'm afraid I must ditch the accent for this post. It isn't as much fun but sometimes it just has to happen.

Which guitarist plays which parts? I am guessing Peter plays the more complex solos that usually have a dirtier tone like the second solo on Wreath and Mikael plays the ones with a lot of triplets like the first on Wreath.

Darkness 01-20-2006 04:53 PM

^It's actually the other way around.

Toaster 01-20-2006 05:16 PM

Yeah, you can pretty much tell who plays what solo because Peter sounds like he composes his solos a lot, while Akerfeldt sort of sticks to his old licks. If you listen to enough Opeth you'll be able to distinguish them easily.

i am the robots 01-20-2006 05:59 PM

I like Peter's style more than I like Mikael's (not really, just wanna spark discussion).

vashts80 01-20-2006 06:00 PM

Peter's solos are usually more sweep-oriented. Mike's are usually with a lot of cool sounding bends and vibrato for emphasis, afaik

ok lateralus 01-20-2006 06:04 PM

you can tell if you listen to the solo in When (Peter's) and the solo in Ghost of Perdition (Mikael's) that their styles are very different

Kaiwaz 01-20-2006 06:05 PM

[QUOTE=The Cynic]So did I, and re-bought all the ones that had bonus tracks.[/QUOTE]


That's awesome, very loyal. :thumb:

Toaster 01-20-2006 06:06 PM

My favourite example is Deliverance. The first solo is clearly Peter, becuase it's very notey and technical. The last solo, with the sans band at the end, is Mikael.

i am the robots 01-20-2006 06:07 PM

[QUOTE=Jude]Those two, GR, and BWP are everywhere.

Once in a while I see Orchid or Morningrise. I have NEVER seen MAYH or Still Life. And I'm talking about FYE, Tower, etc.[/QUOTE]
I tend to see MAYH and Still Life whenever I'm at borders, but then I realize that I already have both of them so I get less excited.

EDIT: about Mikael and Peter's style, I just realized I actually do seriously like Peter's more, I think he's got a really cool atmospheric style, you know?

Kaiwaz 01-20-2006 06:18 PM

[QUOTE=I Am Vikingcore]I tend to see MAYH and Still Life whenever I'm at borders, but then I realize that I already have both of them so I get less excited.

EDIT: about Mikael and Peter's style, I just realized I actually do seriously like Peter's more, I think he's got a really cool atmospheric style, you know?[/QUOTE]

Yeah he's awesome. I wonder what happened to Johan DeFarfalla? He was very talented on bass.

i am the robots 01-20-2006 06:23 PM

They kicked Johan out because he was an alchoholic, and Anders quit because he got married and moved to Brazil.

Kaiwaz 01-20-2006 06:26 PM

Seriously? That's lame. I wouldn't of cared if he was an alcoholic, at least he wasn't a Meth-head.

denboy 01-20-2006 06:29 PM

[QUOTE=Flynn]Seriously? That's lame. I wouldn't of cared if he was an alcoholic, [/QUOTE]


So you wouldn't care even if he was messing up all the time because of it?

Kaiwaz 01-20-2006 06:32 PM

[QUOTE=Knifeboy]So you wouldn't care even if he was messing up all the time because of it?[/QUOTE]


His performance on Morningrise was flawless. Listen to that album sometime, you might appreciate it more now that you'll be trying to hear the bass. :chug:

[QUOTE=Jude]
I am beginning to like Morningrise almost as much as Still Life, and it has already surpassed Blackwater Park. However Orchid isn't nearly as good as it. Morningrise is incredibly dark and eerie and beautiful.[/QUOTE]


I'm happy to hear that. :chug: Morningrise, ...nevermind, you guys already know my feelings on that album.


N.P. Nectar ~ [I]Opeth[/I]

ok lateralus 01-20-2006 06:36 PM

[QUOTE=Flynn]His performance on Morningrise was flawless. Listen to that album sometime, you might appreciate it more now that you'll be trying to hear the bass. :chug: [/QUOTE]

His playing on Morningrise is great, indeed, but they probably kicked him out after the recordin-, he was probably always ****ed up and I could see how that could be reason enough.

Kaiwaz 01-20-2006 06:41 PM

[QUOTE=ok lateralus]His playing on Morningrise is great, indeed, but they probably kicked him out after the recordin-, he was probably always ****ed up and I could see how that could be reason enough.[/QUOTE]


Yeah I guess I can see that.

Darkness 01-20-2006 06:54 PM

Mikeal did [U]not[/U] like his playing style. He knew he was good and stuff, but he liked it when bass was kept bass and nothing more. He didn't like the whole lead bass fills and stuff. That's why Mandez is perfect for the band and Mikeal.

denboy 01-20-2006 07:27 PM

[QUOTE=Flynn]His performance on Morningrise was flawless. Listen to that album sometime, you might appreciate it more now that you'll be trying to hear the bass. :chug:
[/QUOTE]

... I was talking about live

Kaiwaz 01-20-2006 07:31 PM

[QUOTE=Dunkelheit509]Mikeal did [U]not[/U] like his playing style. He knew he was good and stuff, but he liked it when bass was kept bass and nothing more. He didn't like the whole lead bass fills and stuff. That's why Mandez is perfect for the band and Mikeal.[/QUOTE]


I kinda like how Johan played, I like his technique..it's rare.

[QUOTE=Knifeboy]... I was talking about live[/QUOTE]


How do you know what he sounds or sounded like live? That's just what you immagine.

Pale-Folklore 01-20-2006 07:35 PM

[QUOTE=Dunkelheit509]Mikeal did [U]not[/U] like his playing style. He knew he was good and stuff, but he liked it when bass was kept bass and nothing more. He didn't like the whole lead bass fills and stuff. That's why Mandez is perfect for the band and Mikeal.[/QUOTE]

the bass sounds great on morningrise.. :( the lead bass fills make the songs better IMO

some great bass parts on morningrise:

in advent when the song gets really intense at 9:34, the little jazzy bits he does sound great with the heavy guitars

in nectar at 3:14, the bass break with the effect (i don't even know what effect it is) is pretty wicked IMO :)

in black rose immortal, the bass sounds so friggin heavy in the first riff

and basically the bass is great in all of to bid you farewell

i am the robots 01-20-2006 07:44 PM

Yeah, it's unfortunate that Johann is no longer in the band, but Martin is good too, just much more reserved.

denboy 01-20-2006 07:50 PM

[QUOTE=Flynn]How do you know what he sounds or sounded like live? That's just what you immagine.[/QUOTE]

I was asking a question, you said throwing someone out because they're alcoholic isn't something you'd do.. But most alcoholics are horrible live because they mess up all the time due to being... drunk!

gmoneyguy 01-20-2006 07:51 PM

[QUOTE=Knifeboy]I was asking a question, you said throwing someone out because they're alcoholic isn't something you'd do.. But most alcoholics are horrible live because they mess up all the time due to being... drunk![/QUOTE]
that and addictions usually = distracions.

Deth 01-20-2006 08:47 PM

I would say that the Martins' are better than the previous rhythm section though.

Darkness 01-20-2006 08:57 PM

[QUOTE=Deth]I would say that the Martins' are better than the previous rhythm section though.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Johans tone still bugs me.. he's still really good though, obviously.

Det_Nosnip 01-20-2006 08:58 PM

I strongly agree. They're alot tighter, and their sense of groove and feel is impeccable. This is best experienced live, but alot of the tracks on the Dam nation record really showcase that ability. "To Rid the Disease" would be an excellent example of how to groove [i]hard[/i]...if you listen, both Martins are really far behind the beat (guitars in front), yet they're tighter than things that cannot be spoken of on a forum that bleeps naughty words. ;)

[QUOTE=Dunkelheit509]Mikeal did [U]not[/U] like his playing style. He knew he was good and stuff, but he liked it when bass was kept bass and nothing more. He didn't like the whole lead bass fills and stuff. That's why Mandez is perfect for the band and Mikeal.[/QUOTE]

Although Johan's style was alot flashier and more technical, Mendez's approach is more advanced in some ways. Mendez's approach is more jazz orientated, and he interacts and responds with the other musicians while providing a solid rhythmic foundation and really bringing out the feel of the song. He's clearly got chops (as I recall, they pretty much play the Morningrise stuff as is), but he's more precise and thoughtful in how he uses them. Although I can see why Johan would be more interesting from a bassist's perspective, Mendez is more interesting, in my opinion, from a musician's standpoint.

Darkness 01-20-2006 09:00 PM

^ I imagine thats because you're a drummer. :p

But even from my guitar player point of view, I totally agree.

[size=1]I hate bassists who try to out do you...[/size]

Deth 01-20-2006 09:03 PM

[QUOTE=Dunkelheit509]
[size=1]I hate bassists who try to out do you...[/size][/QUOTE]
I hate you.


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