[QUOTE=rock not roll] They certainly didn't let Ringo write a whole lot. And what Ringo wrote was always awesome.[/QUOTE]

Oh, I doubt Ringo was interested, and no particular reason he should be. "Octopus's Garden" is fun, "What Goes On" (a collaboration with Lennon and/or McCartney) is fine, but "Don't Pass Me By" is pretty tedious (as is much of "The White Album").

[QUOTE=Disconnection Notice]It seemed to me that John and Paul were a pair of blowhards when it came to putting the songs on the records.[/QUOTE]

Very frequently it was producer George Martin who was veto-ing Harrison's contributions. Note also that Harrison got off to a late start. "Don't Bother Me", which appeared on the second Beatles album, was actually the first song he ever wrote in his life.

[QUOTE=Idyll]John Lennon is massivly overrated and is viewed to much like a god or a messiah when he was an abusive father and ignored his first son. I dont think he was a particulary nice person all the time as some people claim.
Oh and Paul Mccartney is far more musical than George Harrison, i mean 47 Instruments and i bet all of them are variations of the guitar....
I can play 5 instruments if you say that, i can play pedal guitar, steel guitar, acoustic guitar, electric guitar, classical guitar etc

Prince is a real underrated musician now he actually can play 40 something different instruments, much like the late Brian Jones.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, largely due to Lennon's upbringing, his mother Julia practically abandoning him and having to live with his strict aunt, he became a destructive and mischevious teenager, smashing street lights, stealing stuff from shops, tormenting and hurting people that were different to him, getting extremely low grades. McCartney when drafted into the Quarry Men assisted in helping turn Lennon's anger and frustration at life into creativity which was instrumental in the Beatles creating the music they did. Harrison was limited musically but he focused hard on learning the guitar which his mother bought for him when just starting off in the Quarry Men. He matured musically and creatively with his indian sitar playing later on in the Beatles career.

[QUOTE=xxxRoCkJuNkiExxx]I once found a quote by Ringo that when he heard another drummer he realized that he was no good....but I think he was just being too hard on himself. plus, the Beatles wouldnt have been the Beatles without Ringo(in my opinion).[/QUOTE]

Oh, I think Ringo was a great drummer. Of course, he wasn't flashy and he had limited technique, but he was always tasteful and he always played what was appropriate for the song, nothing more and nothing less. If you listen to other sixties rock drummers (I'm not talking about Keith Moon and Charlie Watts--they're special cases), especially sixties rock studio drummers, you'll discover that that's saying quite a lot. Two of my favorite Ringo contributions are on "A Day in the Life" and "Come Together".

[b]Here is a story everyone should know:[/b]

As John was growing up, he practised guitar a lot. His aunt Mimi, who was his legal guardian, would often say "Guitar is fine John, but it'll never get you anywhere". When John recieved his MBE (Member of the British Empire) award, he sent it to her framed with the quote "Guitar is fine John, bit it'll never get you anywhere".

[QUOTE=Ulysses] McCartney when drafted into the Quarry Men assisted in helping turn Lennon's anger and frustration at life into creativity which was instrumental in the Beatles creating the music they did. [/QUOTE]

I'm sorry, that's not quite right. McCartney wasn't drafted; he pushed himself in. John Lennon had been creative since childhood, drawing cartoons and poems and starting a parody school newpaper, as well playing the guitar and singing and writing songs, long before he met McCartney.

[QUOTE=clown_phobia][b]Here is a story everyone should know:[/b]

As John was growing up, he practised guitar a lot. His aunt Mimi, who was his legal guardian, would often say "Guitar is fine John, but it'll never get you anywhere". When John recieved his MBE (Member of the British Empire) award, he sent it to her framed with the quote "Guitar is fine John, bit it'll never get you anywhere".[/QUOTE]

And he bought her a house to go with it.

[QUOTE=xxxRoCkJuNkiExxx]
I saw someone say that John never said he was a messiah...He actually did tell Paul that he thought he was Jesus Christ at one time. I just thought that was kind of interesting...[/QUOTE]

Nonsense. Here's the real story: When the Beatles were performing once on a Sunday to a large audience, Lennon quipped (N.B.: that means JOKED) to a reporter, OFF THE RECORD (Lennon was extremely intelligent and by the time reasonably seasoned and media savvy), that the Beatles were more popular than Jesus. The reporter reneged on her word for the sake of a scoop and reported the quip, out of context, and a furor ensued. That's all.

[QUOTE=clown_phobia][b]Here is a story everyone should know:[/b]

As John was growing up, he practised guitar a lot. His aunt Mimi, who was his legal guardian, would often say "Guitar is fine John, but it'll never get you anywhere". When John recieved his MBE (Member of the British Empire) award, he sent it to her framed with the quote "Guitar is fine John, bit it'll never get you anywhere".[/QUOTE]

Hehe, yeah. He pwnz0orz her. I read that in one of the 27658765725 Beatles biographies. I really do need the personal biographies (- Ringo's)

[QUOTE=Ned]Oh, I doubt Ringo was interested, and no particular reason he should be. "Octopus's Garden" is fun, "What Goes On" (a collaboration with Lennon and/or McCartney) is fine, but "Don't Pass Me By" is pretty tedious (as is much of "The White Album").[/QUOTE]

Agreed. I like The White Album, but I definitely think its quite a bit overrated.

I think the White Album deserves as much attention as it already gets.

white albumn is one of my favourites, and i think its fare enough it gets so much attention,

I was reading the DK book on the Beatles "10 years that shook the world" or something, and it had a page about when the song "Something" came out, and naturally, it had an interview with Lennon where he said that in the early days they didn't want ot say anything to George about his songs because they were apperently quite bad. Obviously, he improved

[QUOTE=Walrus Gumboot]I was reading the DK book on the Beatles "10 years that shook the world" or something, and it had a page about when the song "Something" came out, and naturally, it had an interview with Lennon where he said that in the early days they didn't want ot say anything to George about his songs because they were apperently quite bad. Obviously, he improved[/QUOTE]
Yep, they hated George's early songs. But sometimes they helped him improve one.

what are george's earyl songs?

Old Brown Shoe?

[QUOTE=DeusExMachina]Agreed. I like The White Album, but I definitely think its quite a bit overrated.[/QUOTE]

It did sell the best, but I don't think it's overated. It has some great stuff on it. Everything else is just underated ;)

Hahaha. Maybe thats a good way of putting it. I dunno, its got some really good stuff, but I think a lot of it is just filler.

I think the White Album is good, because it's the each individual Beatle putting their own material on it. Remember this album where they didn't really work together on the album, just went and did their own thing

Yeah, but I think it would have been a lot better if they'd gotten rid of some of the tracks, and made it only one disc.

I wish Abbey Road was a longer album

[QUOTE=Ned]Nonsense. Here's the real story: When the Beatles were performing once on a Sunday to a large audience, Lennon quipped (N.B.: that means JOKED) to a reporter, OFF THE RECORD (Lennon was extremely intelligent and by the time reasonably seasoned and media savvy), that the Beatles were more popular than Jesus. The reporter reneged on her word for the sake of a scoop and reported the quip, out of context, and a furor ensued. That's all.[/QUOTE]

That's a whole different story, not the one I was referring to.

[QUOTE=Johnny B. Good]I wish Abbey Road was a longer album[/QUOTE]
they considered doing another one after abbey road, but i' glad they didnt... the beatles ended on a good note,

Her Majesty :lol:

Well, while Abbey Road was the last one recorded, they did release one more album after it. Abbey Road was released in 1969, Let it Be was released in 1970.

yer, they were gonna end on let it be but they felt it wasnt their best and wanted to do better

White Album is my favorite, it has While my Guitar Gentely Weeps and that song is awesome. "So is Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite!" I just heard that song and it is very unique

hmmmm wow fav beatles cd, thats like asking what is better food air or water, i need all to live. I would have to say the white album too i live for revolutions lyrics (though the single version is better)

The White album's a 2 disk so it kind of has an unfair advantage on the other albums.

True... 30+ tracks is an advantage. Don't remember the exact number of tracks... actually, I think its 30 exactly. 17 on disc 1, 13 on disc 2, right?

does anyone like Good morning Good Morning...? (on Sgt Pepper's)
personally i really like the bass line and johns gritty vocals on it

Yeah, its a good song. That whole album is great.

[QUOTE=Ned]I'm sorry, that's not quite right. McCartney wasn't drafted; he pushed himself in. John Lennon had been creative since childhood, drawing cartoons and poems and starting a parody school newpaper, as well playing the guitar and singing and writing songs, long before he met McCartney.[/QUOTE]

McCartney was introduced to the band by Ivan Vaughan who went to the Liverpool Institute and was a long time friend of Lennon's on 6 July 1957while he was playing with the Quarry Men at the Woolton fair. It is true he did write poems when younger, this is emphasised when the first time Mimi saw him cry when his dog Sally was put down because of a row Lennon had had with her that morning before school. He wrote a poem about the dog. McCartney did assist him as they played together facing eachother when the two jammed together and McCartney being the better guitarist at the time taught Lennon which enabled the both of them to progress and grow as the band they were to later become. His songwriting improved as he matured as a musician.

[QUOTE=DeusExMachina]True... 30+ tracks is an advantage. Don't remember the exact number of tracks... actually, I think its 30 exactly. 17 on disc 1, 13 on disc 2, right?[/QUOTE]

Bleh. I forget too. but it's the most on any of their albums.

Yeah. Abbey Road has 17 though, which is quite a bit. More than most Beatles albums. And, Abbey Road > White Album.

mmmm really comes down to personal taste, i like the White Albumn course of all the experimenting with diff styles, and i like Abbey Road course its uber,
the only thing i can say that is better then something else, when talking about the beatles is:

Early Bealtes < Later Beatles

True. Later Beatles definitely owns earlier Beatles.

Agreed and agreed once more. Early Beatles tended to be more pop and later Beatles was more creative and deep.

Yea i'm defenetly glad the beatles changed the kind of music they were putting out because i wouldn't have listened to them if they hadn't put out that good later stuff. And to be denied the beatles is a crime

Yeah, but if you listened to like the melody of some of the older Beatles' tunes (like if you played the vocals part on a piano) it sounds really really nice. Like All my Loving, Please Please Me, etc.

And c'mon....Twist and SHout is the ultimate dance song!

[QUOTE=HempKnight]Yea i'm defenetly glad the beatles changed the kind of music they were putting out because i wouldn't have listened to them if they hadn't put out that good later stuff. And to be denied the beatles is a crime[/QUOTE]

Their music changed when Bob Dylan gave them Marijuana, before Rubber Soul.