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I'm a bariton-tentative tenor. does anyone kno any r&B / pop singers with this vocal range
i cant seem to fine any.

Dont worry about vocal categorization; it's pointless unless you're doing classical. Work on some Seal songs; they are all pretty challenging even though they don't sound like it. Baritone/Tenor would cover basically everyone, but again it doesnt matter. I'm sure all of your favorites would be considered either tenor or baritone, most are baritone though.

Hello people,

I am looking for some critique/advice on my vocals, I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, but it sure looks like it to me...lol

A bit of background: I picked up singing a few months ago and try to sing in a classic metal style (Dickinson/Conklin/Tate etc..) I have had no formal training apart from basic solfege when I was a kid lol, and I'd be grateful if someone could point me to books/methods, whatever that I could use to improve my technique for this particular style of singing.

Here's a song of mine to check out:

[url]http://download.yousendit.com/517068376F1DC7A7[/url]

If thats your voice you need to be putting your energy into getting on tour on something. Dont worry about singing. Just stay hydrated, eat well, warm up and warm down.

But if you really want to read then start here....[url]http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911[/url]
Merkabas Voice-Help Hotline - Music & Musician Forums

And check out Mark Baxter [url]http://www.voicelesson.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=Screamin_Demon_Auz;14096840]Dont worry about vocal categorization; it's pointless unless you're doing classical. Work on some Seal songs; they are all pretty challenging even though they don't sound like it. Baritone/Tenor would cover basically everyone, but again it doesnt matter. I'm sure all of your favorites would be considered either tenor or baritone, most are baritone though.[/QUOTE]

I somewhat disagree. With rock, its so edgy it doesnt matter as much. but if youre a baritone and youre trying to sing even a high bartione or tenor song it will more than likely suck when you record it with quality mics. Hell I would love to cover circa survive live, but in the studio it would suck. The tone and quality will sound pinched and the ear can tell. But in general go for whatever. Your voice will let you know after a while anyways. Record it acapella too, anything you work on record it without the music and see how you really sound.

Pop and R&B especially, you can change the key around quite a bit to suit your voice. In rock/metal, most singers just push the hell out of their voice because more than likely the band isnt going to change the key to better suit your voice since in most rock/metal, the voice isn't really the main focus.

In pop and r&b, it is the main focus so anything can be adjusted. Even if you don't want to change the key, you should still be able to get away with just changing it around a bit. Seal for example, one of my favorite singers in the world but he doesn't have much range. Its his tone thats difficult to match, so you can do your own version of any of his songs but either ina different key or with a totally different tonal approach.

The categorization does matter to an extent, but basically as long as you train you are going to develop the ability to sing any note in your range however you want it to sound. Once you have that kind of control over your range, the possibilites of what you can sing are pretty much limitless.

[QUOTE=Merkaba;14149709]If thats your voice you need to be putting your energy into getting on tour on something. Dont worry about singing. Just stay hydrated, eat well, warm up and warm down.

But if you really want to read then start here....[url]http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911[/url]
Merkabas Voice-Help Hotline - Music & Musician Forums

And check out Mark Baxter [url]http://www.voicelesson.com/[/url][/QUOTE]

lol, thanks man but I feel I'm nowhere near as good as I could be if I followed a structured practice regime.

Thanks for the links, I'll check them out. :thumb:

hi,
i am, like many other as i can see, working on my screaming...
i do it for about 2 or 3 months but it didn't improve too much during the last month... i had one week were is was perfectly able to produce the sound i am looking for without the feeling of hurt or hoarsness or anything... but after that week it was gone again and now i am really frustrated..
so i read a lot in forums like this and began asking myself that this could be because of wrong food because i am really into cheese, what means i eat it like all day... so would it be worth a try to not eat any milkproducts for lets say 2 weeks or is it sure not to work because i just dont do it right (the screaming)? my singing was always good (i had lessons for some time..) and i never got into problems with this but like i said before, i am really frustrated... i started with a new band and we are doing this pop metal thing with 3 voices... two of us shouting/screaming at some parts.. the other screamer was able to scream in a good way very fast (infact he gets hoarse and cant do the singing parts after screaming, but he doesn't care... can't force him to be carefull) while i scream extremly quiet in comparison with my singing voice.

so enough of my ****... 1. will changing my nurtition help with screaming
and 2. when i record something and post it here, will someone who knows what hes saying listen to it and provide me with tips? ;)

greats and thanks in advance, zorgblaubaer

[quote=zorgblaubaer;14175073]hi,
i am, like many other as i can see, working on my screaming...
i do it for about 2 or 3 months but it didn't improve too much during the last month... i had one week were is was perfectly able to produce the sound i am looking for without the feeling of hurt or hoarsness or anything... but after that week it was gone again and now i am really frustrated..
so i read a lot in forums like this and began asking myself that this could be because of wrong food because i am really into cheese, what means i eat it like all day... so would it be worth a try to not eat any milkproducts for lets say 2 weeks or is it sure not to work because i just dont do it right (the screaming)? my singing was always good (i had lessons for some time..) and i never got into problems with this but like i said before, i am really frustrated... i started with a new band and we are doing this pop metal thing with 3 voices... two of us shouting/screaming at some parts.. the other screamer was able to scream in a good way very fast (infact he gets hoarse and cant do the singing parts after screaming, but he doesn't care... can't force him to be carefull) while i scream extremly quiet in comparison with my singing voice.

so enough of my ****... 1. will changing my nurtition help with screaming
and 2. when i record something and post it here, will someone who knows what hes saying listen to it and provide me with tips? ;)

greats and thanks in advance, zorgblaubaer[/quote]

Sounds like your doing it wrong. I really don't think food affects you. If you eat too much cheese, then just drink some water before you scream. Make sure you warm up, do little grunts and stuff for awhile, it will affect the sound of your scream greatly.

[QUOTE=HereticX;14147212]Hello people,

I am looking for some critique/advice on my vocals, I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, but it sure looks like it to me...lol

A bit of background: I picked up singing a few months ago and try to sing in a classic metal style (Dickinson/Conklin/Tate etc..) I have had no formal training apart from basic solfege when I was a kid lol, and I'd be grateful if someone could point me to books/methods, whatever that I could use to improve my technique for this particular style of singing.

Here's a song of mine to check out:

[url]http://download.yousendit.com/517068376F1DC7A7[/url][/QUOTE]

Pretty badass for that style, man. Cool band, too.

[QUOTE=King_Of_Terrors;14185866]Sounds like your doing it wrong. I really don't think food affects you. If you eat too much cheese, then just drink some water before you scream. Make sure you warm up, do little grunts and stuff for awhile, it will affect the sound of your scream greatly.[/QUOTE]Tell me one thing that food doesnt affect.....

[QUOTE=zorgblaubaer;14175073]hi,
i am, like many other as i can see, working on my screaming...
i do it for about 2 or 3 months but it didn't improve too much during the last month... i had one week were is was perfectly able to produce the sound i am looking for without the feeling of hurt or hoarsness or anything... but after that week it was gone again and now i am really frustrated..
so i read a lot in forums like this and began asking myself that this could be because of wrong food because i am really into cheese, what means i eat it like all day... so would it be worth a try to not eat any milkproducts for lets say 2 weeks or is it sure not to work because i just dont do it right (the screaming)? my singing was always good (i had lessons for some time..) and i never got into problems with this but like i said before, i am really frustrated... i started with a new band and we are doing this pop metal thing with 3 voices... two of us shouting/screaming at some parts.. the other screamer was able to scream in a good way very fast (infact he gets hoarse and cant do the singing parts after screaming, but he doesn't care... can't force him to be carefull) while i scream extremly quiet in comparison with my singing voice.

so enough of my ****... 1. will changing my nurtition help with screaming
and 2. when i record something and post it here, will someone who knows what hes saying listen to it and provide me with tips? ;)

greats and thanks in advance, zorgblaubaer[/QUOTE]
Read through some of the hotline ifyou havent.

[url]http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911[/url]
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Then post a sample Auz or I or some one knowledgeable will get to you not to mention many others who might say "dude you suck!" I sometimes am not around for few days but will get to you eventually.

You need to understand that singing itself is a workout, screaming is like a tour de france. Your cords are mucus membranes and they will attempt tp recover and protect themselves by covering up in mucus. Sometimes you may think youve lost it or something because your voice isnt doing its usual but its only too much mucus. This can be the case many times. And dairy yes, creates more mucus because in general you cant digest it well. I'm not saying that youll be super or even see a difference but you owe it to yourself to try without dairy for a while. Its not the end of the world. And any vocal teacher worth their salt will tell you the same. You also need to warm up by singing normally I would say for thirty minutes, slowly increasing the difficulty. This is when it pays to have a broad range of musical tastes. Over time you can decrease or increase warmup by being able to tell what your cords are ready for.

And warm down by at least normally lightly singing low vowels.

oke thanks. i will warm up now and than post something recorded...

i use the warmup cd that came with the zen of screaming dvd. is this enough of a warmup or should i try another one?


so i recorded something now...

[url]http://download.yousendit.com/03139E9012549ED7[/url]

[quote=Merkaba;14187008]Tell me one thing that food doesnt affect.....[/quote]

Eyesight, Hearing, Penis size, Songwriting abilities...

carrots and stuff improve eyesight (beta-carotin)

[QUOTE=King_Of_Terrors;14207300]Eyesight, Hearing, Penis size, Songwriting abilities...[/QUOTE]

Carrots effect eyesight.

I imagine anything that promotes general body health will HELP your hearing.

Penis size could be effected. There's one vitamin that will take across curves in a penis, but shorten it a tad as well. I forget which it is or which foods it's in.
If you eat and drink a ton of dairy, you'll grow "moobs" and have a smaller penis because of the excessive estrogen hormones in dairy.

I know you're in HS, but you'll learn this stuff in any basic health class or study.

As for song writing, it's everything. If you eat healthy, your body will feel great. You're have a longer attention span; you'll have a more energy and so forth. I could keep going and going, but you get the idea.

I eat a lot of dairy, that would explain my man boobs.

Ok, I'm a singer and a fukking chain smoker, wtf can I do?
I'll stop smokin in march, so how can I prepare myself for that?
and how can I improve my vocals while I quit smoking?
thx

[QUOTE=King_Of_Terrors;14207300]Eyesight, Hearing, Penis size, Songwriting abilities...[/QUOTE]

Eyesight: Carrots, green leafy vegetables, anything with lutein

Hearing: "As far back as 1978, research showed that vitamin A is essential in inner-ear morphogenesis (development of the structure). Benefits have been seen in the hearing-impaired who have taken vitamin A supplements, including those with noise-induced hearing loss. The best form for the body is Beta-Carotene since the retinol forms can create toxic levels if too much is taken. The beta-carotene form will not do this no matter how much is taken. The only side effect if too much is taken is the skin will turn an orangey colour."

so Carrots, green leafy vegetables anything with Bvitamins,C,D,E... Theres about twenty others but for lack of time and passion I left them out.

Penis size : red meat helps increase testosterone, foods with arginine which helps with nitric oxide production which is what you need to get engorged, and lean foods that make it harder to gain weight since extra fat around the middle can interfere with you suspensory ligament which means your dick wont hang as far.

Song writing: Anything nutritious, raw fruits and veggies, and the food called being clever and well versed.

[QUOTE=Crickets Hail The Goat;14218780]Carrots effect eyesight.

I imagine anything that promotes general body health will HELP your hearing.

...[/QUOTE]

Right, and everything else.

And anything that promotes body deterioration will harm your hearing, and anything else.

Thanks for getting the point

[QUOTE=Merkaba;14234222]
Song writing: Anything nutritious, raw fruits and veggies, and the food called being clever and well versed.
[/quote]

Food for thought? :p [/cheesy]

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip;14239216]Food for thought? :p [/cheesy][/QUOTE]

I like cheese!

Cheese is bad for singing though, isn't it? :(

So I bought a cheap microphone and have been practicing scales and whatnot with it...yikes! It seems I'm still having trouble keeping my voice 100% in unison with the piano...I guess I need to work on hearing myself better. Any advice for that?

Dairy products are only bad for your voice if they cause excess mucus. Which they do in some people, but not in others.

Kristina

I think I've made improvement on my vocals since I last recorded.

Recording from July:
[url]http://www.myspace.com/ofthedyingbreed[/url]

Recording from last weekend:
[url]http://www.myspace.com/karlmarxgrind[/url]

I stopped using distortion too :D.

What do you guys fink?

[QUOTE=Eleventeen;14252246]I think I've made improvement on my vocals since I last recorded.

Recording from July:
[url]http://www.myspace.com/ofthedyingbreed[/url]

Recording from last weekend:
[url]http://www.myspace.com/karlmarxgrind[/url]

I stopped using distortion too :D.

What do you guys fink?[/QUOTE]
It does sound a bit stronger. The high stuff in mudkip and trading spaces sounds spot on. The low stuff I've never been a fan of because it all sounds the same to me but whatever. keep it up dude.

merkaba could you comment what i have recorded and posted a bit earlier? XD


edit: ok forget it i made great steps forward and recorded some stuff...
maybe some tips? (other than "stop it, flute" XD)

in breast voice:
[url]http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=6A69DAB223118C80[/url]

in head voice:
[url]http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=B80EADC9191C8184[/url]

in falsetto:
[url]http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=C1EF5DD435A5CE14[/url]

Now it's time to put ME in the fire...
 

Hi there folks!

Long time lurker, i finally could record something with my new band, and here i come to ask you guys to take a listen and tell me what you think, in an overall view, and technically:

1) About the song;
2) About my singing.

If you think the singing is too bad, remember i recorded the guitars also, so maybe i should shut up...:p

I play guitar for almost 10 years, and started singing with POOR ability maybe 7 years ago (i'm 23 now), but not so often. Last may i bought Melissa's Zen of Screaming, and that's basically my approach (although i have some more dvds and stuff). These vocals were recorded this year.

It's most clean singing, and i wasn't 100% that day, but that's pretty much me. In the "heavier" choruses (before and after the solo) i wanted to get a bit more agressive. What lacks for me now?

Feel free to tell your opinions, and thanx a lot in advance! (Voice recorded through a Behringer xm8500 into protools).

Here's the song:
[url]http://trig.com/samsara-maya[/url]

Alexandre
Macapa-Brazil

C'mon people...it's been a few days since me (and specially the guy before me) have posted...

...won't you comment?

=)

Give us the honour, please.

Alexandre

the man is right ;)

I have a question. I tend to increase my volume when i sing high notes. Is this a good practice? I read that your volume should be kind of constant unless thats the effect you want to give.. Please share your views.