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robo2448 04-16-2006 02:11 PM

Thanks I got it. I've been waiting so long to hear this.

/party

robo2448 04-17-2006 10:51 AM

This is awesome! Thanks so much for this. Of course, it can't touch Live At Leeds (nothing ever will IMO), but I love hearing The Who perform songs from Who's Next live. The performances are great and it's cool to hear later classics live. Good stuff.

np- Young Man Blues

Lunch 04-17-2006 10:52 AM

The version of Young Man Blues is awesome from that Young Vic set. And it's definitely cool to hear most of the newer stuff live. We also got the rare "Time is Passing", so that was cool to try to see more of the whole Lifehouse project.

robo2448 04-17-2006 11:13 AM

[QUOTE=Lunch]The version of Young Man Blues is awesome from that Young Vic set. And it's definitely cool to hear most of the newer stuff live. We also got the rare "Time is Passing", so that was cool to try to see more of the whole Lifehouse project.[/QUOTE]

Moon and Entwistle are so amazing on Young Man Blues. Actually, the whole band is amazing. Daltrey's singing is so powerful and Pete has a pretty good solo in there, but Moon and Entwistle steal the spotlight. But Keith and John just propel that song forward. Such a loud and powerful rhythm section. I never thought I'd hear anything more energetic than Young Man Blues off of LaL, but this competes with it.

Lunch 04-17-2006 11:14 AM

One thing I don't think I'll ever get tired of is the pure energy and force created by Entwistle in Moon in the middle of some of their songs. Young Man Blues is an excellent example, along with Heaven and Hell especially.

robo2448 04-17-2006 11:21 AM

Yeah nobody will ever be able to match The Who in terms of live volume and power. I don't know how they did it. Their performances never let up for a solid 2 and a half hours. I remember in the LaL linear notes Pete said something about them needing a break from touring because their shows required them to be fit and athletic and they had all been drinking too much to keep it up. But I seriously can't imagine giving performances that powerful and energetic every single night.

Lunch 04-17-2006 11:23 AM

I get tired trying to keep up with Moon through one or two songs off Live at Leeds, so I definitely get what you're talking about. I don't understand where the energy came from.

JohnXDoesn't 04-17-2006 03:59 PM

The Young Vic performance is great. Just typical Who, amirite? We are spoiled by such a high standard of rockiness. :chug:

Yes, they are still working out Who's Next. Roger messes up Bargain, and Won't Get Fooled Again is weird. It's really great they figured to shut up at the synth break toward the end of WGFA.

Pure And Easy comes through, though. As does Getting In Tune and Love Ain't For Keeping. And of course the rest is superb. I feel this album also captures Monn at the height of his power. Some say he just wailed. Well, not true. Listen to this album, he is [i]on the beat[/i]. He's the time keeper [I]and[/I] the band leader. This was the best rock drummer of his or any other day. He didn't play drums, he played an instrument as part of a song. Not showing off like a lot of others. He was on drums what Entwhistle was on bass. And they were perfect for one another. They were a special band, no doubt about it.

/cranks up Pure and Easy.


EDIT: Thread turns 1000. :smoke: :chug:

robo2448 04-17-2006 04:55 PM

The performance of Water off that is like sex. Daltrey's singing is so powerful and Townsend has some really good guitarwork in there. And Moon and Entwistle are great as always.

I'm listening to the cd for the second time today now.

np- My Generation

Lunch 04-17-2006 08:29 PM

I actually really like Water. I'm starting to dig the songs from this era more, like that, I Don't Know Myself, Time Is Passing, Pure and Easy, along with the obvious greats like Bargain and Naked Eye.

Seafroggys 04-17-2006 09:26 PM

Moon will prevail in the polls.

JohnXDoesn't 04-17-2006 10:25 PM

^Silly drumming polls. Or perhaps silly voters. Can you imagine [I]anyone[/I] so deaf, dumb, and blind that they would even consider a different drummer? That would make them stupid, too, WTF?

*shakes head in pity*

Lunch 04-18-2006 11:01 AM

Moon will have a hard time beating Peart, because all metal fans like Peart too.

JohnXDoesn't 04-18-2006 12:05 PM

Peart is useless outside of Rush. What a cliche. Neil Peart, lol. The guy is a good drummer. But flash and technique is not everything in rock n roll. And here again lies one of the main arguments in rock n roll once again. Does superior technical ability make you a better musician then those without the same level of it. IMO, no, it does not. Is Joe Satriani a better guitarist then Chuck Berry? Is Neil Peart a better drummer then Keith Moon? Not in their wildest wet dreams. Unfortunatly the reasons for this are lost on many. Especially metal fans who think it's all about speed, accuracy, and precision. How very boring.....


EDIT: It's great to see all the Who thread regulars giving Moon a boost in the voting. United we are strong. And I'm breaking out my alt accounts for final voting. :p

Lunch 04-18-2006 12:15 PM

I have a great deal of respect for some of these incredibly technical drummers (Carl Palmer, for example), but in general I agree with you. As I said in the voting thread, a great deal of people with some ability can pick up sticks and practice rudiments, theory, counting, etc. until they become great drummers. No one can pick a pair of sticks and become Keith Moon.

JohnXDoesn't 04-18-2006 12:24 PM

Moon had flair, style, and originality. I've been listening to the Young Vic album and his playing is amazing. And yes, even on a technical level. His drummimg is superb. It's loose, it swings, it rises and falls, it becomes an intricate part of the song without getting in the way of the song. Keith Moon was more then those things you mention in your above post. More then rudiments, theory, and counting. He was in fact a brilliant drummer, and rare for a drummer, a [I]musician.[/I] He was like a jazz drummer in a rock band. Free flowing, improvisational, and yet with a method to his madness. I really can't say enough about him. And the Young Vic recordings just do more to convince me.

PinkFreud 04-18-2006 12:29 PM

....I voted for Jarzombek...

But only because I knew Moon would go through and Jarzombek has a chance to get the fifth spot and he deserves it.

That Young Vic performance is tops though. Absolutely great.

JohnXDoesn't 04-18-2006 12:34 PM

^We need your vote in the finals, man. :(

PinkFreud 04-18-2006 12:37 PM

Oh when push comes to shove, I'll vote for Moon. For sure.

MidnightRider 04-18-2006 01:59 PM

I went with Moon, I think he really deserves it. Like Lunch said, there'll be plenty more technically skilled drummers to come, but there'll never be another Keith.

Lunch 04-18-2006 02:11 PM

Even if based on nothing else, Moon would deserve his spot among the top just because of his stamina, energy, force, and drive. I've never heard anything like that, so powerful and so constant.

Tusk 04-18-2006 09:59 PM

Yea.. cause thats exactly what it is that seperates the gods of rock drumming from the players Lunch. Moon was just... superior.. he had raw power, poise, ingenuity.. a lot of drummers can claim to being fast and 'technical.' But could they claim to filling stadiums with over a hundred thousand people? Doubt it.. could they claim to aiding the founding of an entire genre? Not likely... (unless his name is Bonham, of course ;))

Peart is fantastic.. he really is, upper eschelon. He just doesnt have that finite, indescribable quality that Moon had.

Lunch 04-19-2006 11:07 AM

You have to give a serious nod to a guy like Moon who generates as much, if not more, percussive drive than the two drummers from Allman Brothers.

robo2448 04-19-2006 08:23 PM

I voted Moon and I'll be voting him through all the way. Ginger Baker gives him some competition, but I think I'll be going Moon all the way because I've been really listening to The Who obsessively recently. I love to completely ignore Pete, John, and Roger and just listen to Moon. Live At Leeds is just amazing drum fill after amazing drum fill for 2 and a half hours. And Moon never lets up. Just amazing.

I've been really listening to The Who a lot lately. Last week I had 100 listens of them on my computer which is the highest total that I've ever had for one band in a week. And this week I've been listening to the Young Vic and Leeds a lot to compare them so I expect a similar total.

Oh yeah and Sparks off Live at Leeds is amazing. Amazing Journey > Sparks leaves me speechless every time.

Lunch 04-19-2006 08:25 PM

I always listen to them too much, although my Last.fm doesn't usually show it. I usually listen to the Who while driving.

robo2448 04-19-2006 08:26 PM

[QUOTE=Lunch]I always listen to them too much, although my Last.fm doesn't usually show it. I usually listen to the Who while driving.[/QUOTE]

Yeah Live At Leeds is one of my top driving albums. I feel like such a rebel blasting it out. But then again, I also drive while listening to Simon and Garfunkel all the time too, so my driving music tastes are pretty weird.

I'm listening to Leeds right now and I'm happy.

Lunch 04-19-2006 08:32 PM

While driving I usually listen to the Who, or jam bands. Both make my favorite driving music. The Who just tend to be so awesome and a[SIZE="2"]s[/SIZE]s-kicking that it's great rock 'n roll to drive too.

Edit: Haha I'm listening to the Young Vic show :[SIZE="2"]o[/SIZE]bsessed:

robo2448 04-19-2006 08:37 PM

For some reason, I really, really love driving to Simon and Garfunkel. It makes absolutely no sense. Simon and Garfunkel are awesome, but I don't think anyone thinks of them as typical "driving" music. But I love listening to them in the car. Pretty weird.

But after them, my favorites are probably Live At Leeds and Cream/Canned Heat/other blues-rock band.

*Listening to 16 minute My Generation:cool:*

Roger is one of the few singers who is actually better live than in the studio. His raw power live is awesome. Especially on this song.

JohnXDoesn't 04-19-2006 08:40 PM

[QUOTE=Tusk]Yea.. cause thats exactly what it is that seperates the gods of rock drumming from the players Lunch. Moon was just... superior.. he had raw power, poise, ingenuity.. a lot of drummers can claim to being fast and 'technical.' But could they claim to filling stadiums with over a hundred thousand people? Doubt it.. could they claim to aiding the founding of an entire genre? Not likely... (unless his name is Bonham, of course ;))

Peart is fantastic.. he really is, upper eschelon. He just doesnt have that finite, indescribable quality that Moon had.[/QUOTE]
I feel the same way. Moon was a gifted drummer. What's interesting to me is I appreciate drummers who stay out of the way. When it comes to rock n roll drummers I'm as much a Charlie Watts/Ringo Starr "less is more" kind of guy as anything else. I also like Martin Chambers from The Pretenders, Clem Burke from Blondie, Bill Berry (formerly of REM) Dave Grohl, and Billy Bonebrake from X. Those are busier drummers then Watts and Starr, of course. But you get the picture. They are not annoying and intrusive. They are not "look at me" style drummers.

Moon on the other hand would seem to be the exact type of drummer that would annoy me. But he doesn't. No soloing, no grand standing, no showing off or explosive displays of virtuosity. He just got behind the kit and played. And he did it brilliantly. Always finding his place in the song, flailing away like a madman, and staying out of the way. He was indeed the perfect drummer.

On another note, here is a site I came across that concerns itself with everything Who when it comes to specifics about instrumentation and equipment and what not. Also has some nice photos and a lot of interesting reads and information, technical and otherwise:

[url]http://www.thewho.net/whotabs/index.html[/url]

Lunch 04-19-2006 08:42 PM

I've found that site before, they had so much information on the drumsets Keith used over various points in the group's career. And the pictures are great.


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