[QUOTE=FuryInArt]I don't understand why there is so much GR bashing...is it just because Opeth tried something new? I personally enjoy that album very much, especially Ghost of Perdition and The Grand Conjuration. I love it when bands try new sounds, even if it's [U][I]not to the best of their ability[/I][/U]. They just need some polishing up with that new sound of theirs.[/QUOTE]

I think you just answered your own question. It wasn't as good as it could have been.

I only have Blackwater Park and Ghost Reveries, but I think they're both amazing. I love how the songs go from so heavy to an acoustic part in a matter of seconds.

[QUOTE=Werny]So they made one album of Opeth's sound (focusing neither on heavy or light) and another album focusing on Porcupine Tree's sound.[/QUOTE]
I understand your point completely, but, be it Opeth's sound or not, I love Damnation.

[QUOTE=Werny]DAMN YOU STEVEN WILSON.
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*Frantically searches for neg rep button*

*fails*

10,000 POST BITCHES!

[QUOTE=Werny] and another album focusing on Porcupine Tree's sound.[/QUOTE]

No way... Damnation doesn't sound anything like Porcupine Tree
(.. In fact Damnation doesn't sound like anything I've ever heard before)

the song Blackwater Park was the first Opeth song i ever heard and is still my favorite. I love the whole Damnation album too, i think its awesome that they tryed something like that and did it amazingly. I havent really gotten into Ghost Reveries yet..

[QUOTE=matt4]There is one song on Damnation that is 100% old school opeth, I think: Closure. Very "medieval" if you will. Lot's of chromaticism and tritone sorta stuff. Incredible to play. And those tabla drums...*drool*:amaze:[/QUOTE]

It doesn't really sound medieval to me. Exotic, dark...yes...but medieval? They're using chords and phrases that probably would have been considered sinful and punishable by death in the Middle Ages. :lol:

Oh, and those aren't tablas. Martin played that section on this drum he called a "Tambourine" (not the instrument normally associated with the word) that comes from his native Uruguay. You can see him playing it on the Lamentations DVD...I remember it looked kinda like a Djembe.

[QUOTE=Werny]I didn't say it should. But I [b]am[/b] annoyed that Mikael said there was going to be one album focusing on Opeth's heavy side, and another focusing on their lighter side. Instead they make one focusing on their heavy sound and lighter sound and another focused on another sound completely. So they made one album of Opeth's sound (focusing neither on heavy or light) and another album focusing on Porcupine Tree's sound.[/QUOTE]

Damnation sounds nothing at all like Porcupine Tree, it's far too different, but you're right, that wasn't Opeth's soft sound... when I got it I was expecting stuff like Benighted, Credence, and To Bid You Farewell, instead I got a different treat.

Can someone recommend Opeth songs that are dark and evil sounding, and some that are heavy with clean vocals. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Forlorn Hope]Can someone recommend Opeth songs that are dark and evil sounding, and some that are heavy with clean vocals. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]

Dark and evil sounding.... The Moor, Advent, Demon of the Fall, Karma
Heavy with clean vocals.... Harlequin Forest, The Drapery Falls, Bleak

Can anyone tell me what Nectar's about?

ahh, i think an evil sound one is number 5 on BWP, im not too sure what its called but ill check.


EDIT: Dirge For November

Well, Nectar sounds like He has lost someone and she comes to him in the form of a ghost. But he cant accept shes gone.

"I lament this heritage
Cannot bid farewell
The pale face...you went as far as you could
And from that moment
I witnessed your beauty, fealt your death"

Pale, y'know...ghostly?

Anyways, some people i've talked to say its about a nightmare mikael has about a girl that comes to him as a ghost.
Thats my two cents

[QUOTE=aphotic__713]ahh, i think an evil sound one is number 5 on BWP, im not too sure what its called but ill check.[/QUOTE]

Dirge For November, one of the best on the cd.

Evil sounding?

Blackwater Park.

Serenity Painted Death.

Godhead's Lament.

Deliverance.

By the Pain I See in Others (esp. the beginning)

The Grand Conjuration.

(in order I though of them)

[QUOTE=aphotic__713]ahh, i think an evil sound one is number 5 on BWP, im not too sure what its called but ill check.


EDIT: Dirge For November

Well, Nectar sounds like He has lost someone and she comes to him in the form of a ghost. But he cant accept shes gone.

"I lament this heritage
Cannot bid farewell
The pale face...you went as far as you could
And from that moment
I witnessed your beauty, fealt your death"

Pale, y'know...ghostly?

Anyways, some people i've talked to say its about a nightmare mikael has about a girl that comes to him as a ghost.
Thats my two cents[/QUOTE]

Nice Interpretation, I suck at figuring out what lyrics mean.

[QUOTE=UpperDecker]Nice Interpretation, I suck at figuring out what lyrics mean.[/QUOTE]

Same here. Most of the time, the only reason i know what a song means or the story behind a concept album is, is becuase I read it somewhere.

Heavy with clean vocals- A Fair Judgement

That and Deliverance are the two best songs on the album IMO...

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]It doesn't really sound medieval to me. Exotic, dark...yes...but medieval? They're using chords and phrases that probably would have been considered sinful and punishable by death in the Middle Ages. :lol:
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Haha, yeah...there actually was a mode with diminished 5th which the Church thought sounded too evil because of it's dissonance, and banned people from using it...I think it was the Locrian. I can't remember whether Opeth uses it though.

[QUOTE=Werny]I didn't say it should. But I [b]am[/b] annoyed that Mikael said there was going to be one album focusing on Opeth's heavy side, and another focusing on their lighter side. Instead they make one focusing on their heavy sound and lighter sound and another focused on another sound completely. So they made one album of Opeth's sound (focusing neither on heavy or light) and another album focusing on Porcupine Tree's sound.[/QUOTE]


I have no clue what you're talking about.
Deliverance = heavy
Damnation = light

...and Damnation sounds nothing like anything done by Porcupine Tree.

why is everyone criticizing damnation/ghost reveries just because of the fact that theyre not like the old opeth?

[QUOTE=opeth.com]As you all know, it is sometimes very hard to put your finger on what makes a band original and unique. I am not trying to boast here, but in my point of view there is no other band just like Opeth. Personally I appreciate when bands shock you, when they take unexpected turns in their music that you couldn´t see coming. [B]That is somewhat the essence of Opeth,[/B] and I think it is something that is present on all our albums. See, when we started up as Eruption we were more or less a ordinary (pretty bad) death metal band, but somewhere along the road we found something that made Opeth what Opeth is today. It might be our interest in symphonic and progressive music which to me is the ultimate form of music. We have come to the point where [B]we don´t care at all what kind of music we are playing, there are no boundaries at all! [/B]

The strange thing is that it´s not intentional. [B]I don´t doubt one second that we´d be a bigger band if we did what was good for Opeth[/B]..but we just don´t! [B]The day we would limit ourselves [/b]or adapt to the music scene, [b]would be the day Opeth dies. [/B]

Certainly, there are some parts on our albums that was kind of daring. With "Morningrise" we incuded a balladlike track in "To bid you farewell" right in the midst of the rising Black metal trend.

Don´t you think we´d be better off if we had blastbeats and satanic lyrics instead? Now, afterwards, "To bid you farewell" has done many good things for us, as we have now been accepted to be a bit odd. That´s just the way we like it!

Opeth started up in 1990 I wrote all the material myself with suggestions from the former vocalist, David. When Peter joined in late 1991 I found someone that I could write together with. I had written a track called "Poise into Celeano" and it turned out way different from the things we had done before, and when Peter came in the picture, me and him started to re-arrange all the stuff we had. It was our most creative period, and we rehearsed 6 days a week at times. Eventually we had achieved a sound of our own. Twin guitar harmonies, loads of acoustic parts, no blastbeats, long, long tracks, even some normal singing. Eventually Candlelight wanted to do an album with us. That was "Orchid". [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Whale and Wasp]why is everyone criticizing damnation/ghost reveries just because of the fact that theyre not like the old opeth?[/QUOTE]


I have [I]never[/I] criticised Damnation. And I have [I]never[/I] criticised Ghost Reveries because it's not like ''old [B]O[/B]peth''. It just bored me, there wasn't enough...there was something missing, I can't explain. It didn't excite me. I like Deliverance, and that's nothing like Old [B]O[/B]peth. In fact, I might put that in now...

I agree with Flynn, to an extenet. I find Damnation totally mind-blowing and Ghost Reveries to be just "good". I definitely enjoyed their newest release, and hope they progress further with their new sound. If they stick with it, the next release should prove to be amazing.

[QUOTE=Flynn]I have [I]never[/I] criticised Damnation. And I have [I]never[/I] criticised Ghost Reveries because it's not like ''old [B]O[/B]peth''. It just bored me, there wasn't enough...there was something missing, I can't explain. It didn't excite me. I like Deliverance, and that's nothing like Old [B]O[/B]peth. In fact, I might put that in now...[/QUOTE]
oh, i just remember reading the thread this morning and seeing posts like that; i didnt mean it at you, sorry for not clarifying it

[QUOTE=Whale and Wasp]oh, i just remember reading the thread this morning and seeing posts like that; i didnt mean it at you, sorry for not clarifying it[/QUOTE]

Oh, cool. Yeah I know what you're saying though. It's all good. :chug:










[I]
''and I woke in chains and shackles tear my flesh
and blood that flows from these wounds flows black as night
your lies consume me with every breath I burn
and now the past that must be kept haunts me at night''[/I]

[QUOTE=FuryInArt]I agree with Flynn, to an extenet. I find Damnation totally mind-blowing and Ghost Reveries to be just "good". I definitely enjoyed their newest release, and hope they progress further with their new sound. If they stick with it, the next release should prove to be amazing.[/QUOTE]

And I think the opposite....maybe I haven't heard enough of Damnation :p

The album has it's weaker moments, but the best parts of it, like Ghost of Perdition and the Grand Conjuration, are truly spectacular.

I haven't really, truly listened to anything off of Ghost Reveries except The Grand Conjuration, but I found that to be one of the better Opeth tracks in a while. It doesn't drag on, like some of their other songs, and it switches up a lot.

I love Damnation though, even more so after I watched Lamentations. It needs a ton of grow time, I think, but once that happens, it's amazing.

[QUOTE=Shattered_Future]I haven't really, truly listened to anything off of Ghost Reveries except The Grand Conjuration, but I found that to be one of the better Opeth tracks in a while. It doesn't drag on, like some of their other songs, and it switches up a lot.

I love Damnation though, even more so after I watched Lamentations. It needs a ton of grow time, I think, but once that happens, it's amazing.[/QUOTE]
Dude, TGC is repetitious as hell and it DOES drag on...but still a good track, so if you like it, Ghost of Perdition should blow your mind.

Eh, I don't think it drags on much...maybe in a few places, but I'm often half asleep when I listen to it. :lol:

I listened to GOP a few times...don't remember much, but it had its moments.

[QUOTE=Jude]Dude, TGC is repetitious as hell and it DOES drag on...but still a good track, so if you like it, Ghost of Perdition should blow your mind.[/QUOTE]


Ghost Of Perdition is the only song on that album I really like, and yeah, The Grand Conjuration drags on a bit.

It's one of Opeth's best songs, it ranks with The Moor and such (in fact on the official Opeth forum poll for best Opeth song, The Moor was number 1 and beat GoP by ONE vote. It's an example of how the keyboards SHOULD be integrated into Opeth's sound--flawless.