Whats so hard about that solo... :confused:

/not a drummer

[QUOTE=magicaltrollII]Whats so hard about that solo... :confused:

/not a drummer[/QUOTE]

The hardest thing about playing almost anything Tool on drums (especially the solos) is learning how to count the entire song, because of the odd signatures. I've never tried that one, so I wouldn't know how to count it. I could make a good guess that it's harder to count the solo then the song because it changed from the rest of the song (except the build-up of course).

Not only the counting and not losing place, but the technicality of the playing is also a factor, but that is a little easier to do with practice. Where as something like timing and counting correctly in odd signatures is something you have to learn independantly. Just trying to play a song where it is required without previous practice with it will almost always result in failure.

[QUOTE=magicaltrollII]Whats so hard about that solo... :confused:

/not a drummer[/QUOTE]

nothing really hard, but for 2 years its very impressive, also pulling it off perfectly is a deal in its own, cause i believe its time signature fluxuation is 7,7,7,8,7,7,7,8 getting that down in itself can be tricky....matter can emulate it the best i have heard....its actually perfect i think. :)

yes becasue with the solo there is no way you can find your place by listening to the guitar, its all done off of the timming in your head

[QUOTE=Doomed To Crumble]yes becasue with the solo there is no way you find your place by listening to the guitar, its all done off pf the timming in your head[/QUOTE]

no matter how bad the grammar, he said it better than me in one sentance...

/loses

Isn't the solo in a polyrythmic time signature? That's what I thought it was on first listen...

Also, keeping time is a big factor in all of Tool's songs that are in wierd time sigs. The Grudge is the hardest that I've stumbled upon. It's in 5/8 time, and that makes the verse very hard to play. (The palmuted open D section) Overall, that is a tough song for any of the members. As far as toughness across the board, I'm sure The Grudge takes the cake. Sure, Ticks & Leeches is a godly song as far as the drumming goes, but the bass and guitar parts aren't hard at all.

EDIT: so it's a 29/8 to 7/8 polyrythm?!?!

Sliptallica- :lol:

What kind of recording capabilities do you have? I would be all over the geetar for that track. I've got a recording of the 1st segment. I'll link you if you wanna hear. :thumb:


[url=http://www.soundclick.com/util/downloadSong.cfm?ID=2502156]Right click, save target as[/url]

There's the mp3 of me playing Ticks on guitar.

[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo]Isn't the solo in a polyrythmic time signature? That's what I thought it was on first listen...

Also, keeping time is a big factor in all of Tool's songs that are in wierd time sigs. The Grudge is the hardest that I've stumbled upon. It's in 5/8 time, and that makes the verse very hard to play. (The palmuted open D section) Overall, that is a tough song for any of the members. As far as toughness across the board, I'm sure The Grudge takes the cake. Sure, Ticks & Leeches is a godly song as far as the drumming goes, but the bass and guitar parts aren't hard at all.[/QUOTE]

After you learn Ticks and Leeches you're like, "Man, that wasn't that hard, but I'm really sweaty."

It just takes some stamina, or I'm very out of shape.

Edit:

I have a single microphone, so not the best. I could always give it a shot.

I wonder how long we could keep talking without bumping the thread...

Edit2: So much for that

Yes I would agree that the grudge is the hardest tool song to play on the drums.

o ya and i feel that getting the hi hat right at some parts of tick and leeches is also very challenging along with the intro.

[QUOTE=Doomed To Crumble]o ya and i feel that getting the hi hat right at some parts of tick and leeches is also very challenging along with the intro.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that just takes some practice.

The hardest part for me is the post interlude section (I improvise it every time) and the second verse. The accents throw me off sometimes.

Meh, I'm not too worried about quality. I think that it would turn out very well though. That song is so fun to play. :D I beleive I said this once before in here, but one night before I went to bed, I played Ticks& Leeches and Lateralus in one set. It was amazing. :amaze: It was one of the most uplifting experience I've ever had.

and third eye to omg how does danny remember it all

Yeah, I remember the first time I nailed (mostly) Ticks and Leeches. I was doing the double bass at the end before the last fill, and my sister's boyfriend jumps in and I didn't notice him but at the end he goes, "HOOOOLY **** THAT WAS BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD!"

Bad in a good way. He listens to rap so it was kinda funny for me.

can anybody here play the third eye intro on drums well?

I think I might learn Third Eye. That song is awesome. It seems like most Tool fans I talk to are discouraged by the length of the song. Sure, it may have a total running time of 13:47, but in reality, when you take out the ambience and the Bill Hicks/Tim Leary spiel at the beggining, it's really not much longer than Lateralus. :D

EDIT: It's still a freaking beast of a track.

People who arent for its length can just shut up because i feel that its perfectly timed and it gets the point across to the listeners. I still geet a rush every time i listen to it.

Third eye. Thatd be the **** playing that.

I was listening to lataralus and I came up with a riff some what simialr to the laterlaus chrous for teh bass. grt!

Now onto my point: Dudes at schools say bassist who play with pikcs instead of their fingers are mediocre and I constanly argue with them about those that.

What are yalls opions on? Is picking pathetic or something?

WE all know picking aint really bad. . .look at Justin and the Squire dude. :)

I just joined this forum, and this is an awesome thread man. I'd just like to say I love tool, I am hopefully going to work on a lot of their songs, I know schism so far on drums, great song, really gave me some wonderful concepts to move around the drums such as the triplets on the hi hat in the verses and intro. I love it. I hope to learn the patient, and/or lateralus by the end of summer, and clean up schism a little too.

Great thread :).

[QUOTE=Doomed To Crumble]Yes I would agree that the grudge is the hardest tool song to play on the drums.[/QUOTE]

Wow, I am glad their are a lot of drummers here, awesome stuff. I agree with you on this one. Some of the tom/bass drum work he does is phenomenal, its unbelievable.

im still trying to figure out what hes doing for the intro of third eye, when i look at it on video it looks like hes doing triplets on the toms but im still not sure

answer ma question ppl! :upset:

um i think that picks are ****ing sick with a bass, and if you feel taht using one will help you better express yourself through music then ****ing do it man.

[QUOTE=Doomed To Crumble]can anybody here play the third eye intro on drums well?[/QUOTE]
:wave:

please tell me how its done
try to be specific

I didn't even know Justin Played with a pick until YDload told me that he did. :shrug: It seems that bassists that play with picks play slower, more melodic basslines. This suits Tool's style well, though.

i have a good video of him playing so i should be able to play it but im a dubass so i cant

[QUOTE=Doomed To Crumble]i have a good video of him playing so i should be able to play it but im a dubass so i cant[/QUOTE]

im talking about the third eye intro

[QUOTE=Doomed To Crumble]im talking about the third eye intro[/QUOTE]

you should be able to play it efficeintly enough

Am trying to buya pick but belive it or not I havnt found a decent bass pick here in pr.

Jake dud i agree, picks bassist must be more artsty. . . althou I must say the average pop rock bassist uses picks.

[QUOTE=faith+1]you should be able to play it efficeintly enough[/QUOTE]

Yeah, if you could explain the feel on the toms, that'd be helpful to me too.