[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]USE PROTECTION. NO SEX IS SAFE SEX. BIRDS AND BEES. EELS AND CAVES.[/QUOTE]

"I know you're at that age where you want to get a little touchy-feely with members of the opposite sex, but I warn you: you WILL get pregnant. And die."


-Mean Girls

[QUOTE=Eggo]It might not be a pleasant reality but what smokers do not only affect everyone else in terms of health, but also affects the finances of every single person in that country.[/QUOTE]
How?

Excuse me that I haven't taken a course in Economics in my life, I'm just a freshman in high school.

[QUOTE=Lunch]Well I'll sacrifice my finances so people can smoke if they want to.[/QUOTE]

Will you also sacrifice everything else that the government furnishes you with? Because that is what happens :-)

[QUOTE=Kurtz]How?

Excuse me that I haven't taken a course in Economics in my life, I'm just a freshman in high school.[/QUOTE]

Read above...If it's not making sense, I'll explain more.

[QUOTE=Cain]"I know you're at that age where you want to get a little touchy-feely with members of the opposite sex, but I warn you: you WILL get pregnant. And die."


-Mean Girls[/QUOTE]

:p

Did you see my Nagasaki quote a page back?

I can't remember where it's from though...

[QUOTE=Lunch]Well I'll sacrifice my finances so people can smoke if they want to.[/QUOTE]

You can sacrifice your finances so I can buy new musical equipment if you like.

[QUOTE=Eggo]Will you also sacrifice everything else that the government furnishes you with? Because that is what happens :-)[/QUOTE]

Yea, because smoking is the root to all evil, so I'll sacrifice that too.

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]You can sacrifice your finances so I can buy new musical equipment if you like.[/QUOTE]

I would only sacrifice my finances for your right to play music, not for you to actually buy musical equipment.

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]:p

Did you see my Nagasaki quote a page back?

I can't remember where it's from though...[/QUOTE]

I did see it, it was quite funny. :)

I had never heard it before, so I can be potentially persuaded to believe that you actually made it up, provided you convince me of this.

<_<

[QUOTE=Eggo]Read above...If it's not making sense, I'll explain more.[/QUOTE]
Please.

Is it with taxes or benefits or healthcare or what?

[QUOTE=Cain]"I know you're at that age where you want to get a little touchy-feely with members of the opposite sex, but I warn you: you WILL get pregnant. And die."


-Mean Girls[/QUOTE]
I saw a video about AIDS/STDs in health class and the "discussion" made me laugh:

[I]Teacher[/I]: You should wait until you are married before having sex
[I]Person[/I]: What if I want to have sex before I'm married?
[I]Teacher[/I]: Then you will die :mad: *


*actual quote

[QUOTE=Kurtz]Please.

Is it with taxes or benefits or healthcare or what?[/QUOTE]

Well, I'm not sure where you live but this example applies primarily to America. However, I'm sure it's flexibile enough to be applied elsewhere.

The various sorts of governments in America (federal, state, and local) are all charged with the task of taking care of its citizens and providing them with the services that one comes to expect the government to provide us.

These services include police, firemen, education, transportation, military, etc. One of the utmost important services offered is healthcare. And for good reason...Without a good healthcare system, you'll soon find your nation to be an empty one.

While much of the actual healthcare in America is owned privately, most (read: nearly all) Americans cannot afford to pay the very high fees for by themselves. This is what insurance and healthcare plans are for...To keep the hospitals/doctors/nurses paid and running well when the patients can't pay.

There are certain healthcare plans that are funded by the government (these plans get some of the biggest chunks of the budget each year) and if the government needs to put more and more money into them, all other services will indirectly or directly suffer as a result. Even those with private insurance companies will not be left unaffected. Their premiums will also go up...

...Does that make more sense?

[QUOTE=Poofy 666]I saw a video about AIDS/STDs in health class and the "discussion" made me laugh:

[I]Teacher[/I]: You should wait until you are married before having sex
[I]Person[/I]: What if I want to have sex before I'm married?
[I]Teacher[/I]: Then you will die :mad: *


*actual quote[/QUOTE]

We had the most hilarious video for our Sex Ed class.

It was a bunch of Aussie TV talents, before they were famous. Of course, mullets abounded, as it was made in '87.

Best quote was when a bloke was describing when he lost his virginity.

"I'd had fantasies before, of course, usually involving Kylie Minogue and about a gallon of motor oil, but this was way different. It was sticky, and not in a good way."

It was also great because he lost in on the Photocopier machine, so his partner got the sack for distributing lewd images.

And the narrator, Roy Slaven, also went up to many a rockin' car, boat, bed, etc, and asked if they were using protection. Really funny.

Oh, and we didn't have any Reagan style messages in it, so I guess it was a lot more fun than an American equivalent.

Come to think of it, it was probably one of the best videos ever. :p

[QUOTE=Cain]I did see it, it was quite funny. :)

I had never heard it before, so I can be potentially persuaded to believe that you actually made it up, provided you convince me of this.

<_<[/QUOTE]

Oh ahem yes, I did quite. It was all me. :grin: :conspiracy:

mean girls is a very awesome movie.

"and on the third day, God gave man the Remington X rifle so that he could fight the dinosaurs....and the homosexuals. amen."

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]Oh ahem yes, I did quite. It was all me.[/QUOTE]

:D

:shifty:

Okay you rowdy pack of righteous dudes, it is time for Blues Ensemble, but I shall return!!

Laters.

[QUOTE=Eggo]...Does that make more sense?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, actually it does.

Thanks for the explanation.

[QUOTE]So, here we go.

Over 4000 additives are present in each cigarette. Most of these are natural products, but a few, namely Hydrogen Cyanide, Carbon Monoxide and Ammonia are very dangerous, even in small doses (>0.01mg).

And sure, these bad elements are destroyed in the body, but in the same way that radioactive isotopes of Uranium, etc are destroyed in your body.

Also, smoking doesn't just cause lung cancer. It cause haemorrhages in many vital organs, including the eyes. It causes extreme migraines in many people, due to the toxins released throughout the body. Of course, prolonged exposure to second-hand smoke is damaging in a visible way, but try running a marathon after you've inhaled even a few minutes of second-hand smoke. The destruction that the free radicals have done to the pockets of air in your lungs will be apparent.[/QUOTE]

Okay, so it hurts you a bit. I never wanted to run a marathon anyway. Hey, I don't drive a car, don't plan to, but I still have to breathe aaaaall that pollution and you're not gonna tell me that years of smoke from millions of cars is harmless. Yeah, maybe cars are necessary, but not for me, but I don't go up to automobile chauffeurs and spit them in their face and treat them like gangsters, even though a lot of them could take the tram.

My main point is: Stop being such a faggots about everything.

[QUOTE]This is true, a large amount of revenue is generated by taxing the cigarette companies.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, mate.


[QUOTE]This is just silly.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that wasn't entirely serious.

[QUOTE]Turning the argument around doesn't make yours any less ungrounded.[/QUOTE]

In your eyes, ungrounded. <-<


[QUOTE]Cars are quite clean compared to cigarette smoke. Especially modern cars. And Carbon Monoxide kills by asphyxiation, not poisoning. It's a peaceful death.[/QUOTE]

Riiight, that's much better.


[QUOTE]The economy wouldn't crash in America. You are overestimating the significance of tobacco on the overall economy of America and underestimating the significance of an unburdened healthcare system.[/QUOTE]

It wouldn't do it any good, if it doesn't crash, it will get a very heavy blow, regardless. And come on, America hardly even has a healthcare system. Dang republicans. That's why they put tax on tobacco, to recuperate some money.


[QUOTE]I don't want everyone to live to grow 90 years old, but I'd like to see more research and treatment done in the health problems listed below and many others.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough. But it's still up to people if they wanna smoke or not, and just because YOU would like to see it differently, doesn't mean they have to obey you, cool as you are. I'd like to see it differently too, I don't plan to smoke my whole life, I'm not *that* stupid.


[QUOTE]This is a ludicrous example...Doctors and nurses are already overworked to begin with (all the patients suffering from smoking related problems are actually making that problem much worse). But if, somehow they weren't so busy, wouldn't you rather have them researching how to stop actually tragic disorders and ailments like genetic childhood disorders, cancer, neurological disabilities, etc and treating those who suffer from them?[/QUOTE]

Come on, bitch, you know that wasn't serious. :p

[QUOTE]I would support a ban on unhealthy food since it has also a burdening effect on healthcare (albeit, a much smaller one compared to tobacco), but it's a lot easier to educate than prohibit.[/QUOTE]

Ok, fine, at least you're being consistent. But I doubt that every anti-smoker would say the same.


*[QUOTE]shrug*

The healthcare system in America has never reported an significant issue with the automobile exhaust...Which is something impossible to statistically track and analyze anyway.[/QUOTE]

Nope, because oil is muy importante!, maybe. So yeah, you can't really check it, so let's just pick on something that we don't do, right?


[QUOTE]American automobiles have become very highly regulated by environmental protection agencies, so the pollution produced from them has decreased drastically in recent years[/QUOTE]

Yeah, and the US refused to participate in the Kyoto deal because they already pollute so little that they didn't deem it necessary, right? RIIIIIIGHT.



/tired

i need a cig lol

[QUOTE=Kurtz]Yeah, actually it does.

Thanks for the explanation.[/QUOTE]

Phew...I'm so happy when I don't confuse people =)

all this "education" still doesn't do much. i doubt it would turn a heavy smoker into an enthusiastic anti-smoker just because he now knows what damage it does. people are stubborn like that. i know i haven't quit yet and i've been hearing these same things from my family and friends for a while.

[QUOTE=PinkFreud]all this "education" still doesn't do much. i doubt it would turn a heavy smoker into an enthusiastic anti-smoker just because he now knows what damage it does. people are stubborn like that. i know i haven't quit yet and i've been hearing these same things from my family and friends for a while.[/QUOTE]

That's because you don't notice it immediately, if your teeth turned yellow from it after a few cigarettes, not many people would do it.

[QUOTE=PinkFreud]all this "education" still doesn't do much. i doubt it would turn a heavy smoker into an enthusiastic anti-smoker just because he now knows what damage it does. people are stubborn like that. i know i haven't quit yet and i've been hearing these same things from my family and friends for a while.[/QUOTE]

Education is like a traditional vaccine...It's meant to prevent, not stop what's already there.

Besides, all the education in the world can't stop someone who is plain stupid. And the incredible addictive factor of nicotine doesn't help either :)

And if it wasn't for car emissions, we'd be all entering another ice-age.

[QUOTE=Eggo]Education is like a traditional vaccine...It's meant to prevent, not stop what's already there.

Besides, all the education in the world can't stop someone who is plain stupid. And the incredible addictive factor of nicotine doesn't help either :)[/QUOTE]
understood. and i hope you're not calling me stupid! :angry:

i know it's stupid but for me, i really really enjoy smoking and the benefits (feeling good) outweigh the harm it does to me.

edit: and in response to superpeer, it's not like i just started smoking. i've smoked for almost 2 years.

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]And if it wasn't for car emissions, we'd be all entering another ice-age.[/QUOTE]

And black metal would get such a revival!

[QUOTE=Superpeer]And black metal would get such a revival![/QUOTE]

:lol: I can just picture Abbath standing on a frozen plain, "GLORY TO THE FORSAKEN GODS OF VINTER!"

I don't know why...

Guys, I am so pumped now. I found out a way to uncap my dial up connection. so instead of connecting at like 36 kbps, I get 115 kbps now. OMG insane. Someone send me a song to see if I can download at like 5 kbps right now.

[QUOTE]Guys, I am so pumped now. I found out a way to uncap my dial up connection. so instead of connecting at like 36 kbps, I get 115 kbps now. OMG insane. Someone send me a song to see if I can download at like 5 kbps right now.[/QUOTE]

You download songs at < 5kbps too? HIGH FIVE!

It used to be 3, but hopefully now it will be a bit higher. :-D

It used to be high at 7, now 20 is low.

I love my T3 connection \m/

[QUOTE=Eggo]I love my T3 connection \m/[/QUOTE]

Braggart...

You guys must here this band... they're 14 year olds....

[url]http://www.myspace.com/odinsforest1[/url]

I'll have that in 2 years when I'm also in college, but for now, I'm stuck on a redneck connection. :upset:

Now where's my song that I'm gonna DL?

Amit - Could I get a link to that putfile you created again? I wanna see how it turned out.

[QUOTE]It used to be 3, but hopefully now it will be a bit higher. :-D[/QUOTE]

I still download at 3 :upset:

Is anyone else watching the State of the Union adress?

[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo]Amit - Could I get a link to that putfile you created again? I wanna see how it turned out.[/QUOTE]

Of course...I haven't finished yet but here ya go:

[url]http://www.putfile.com/porcupinetree[/url]

[QUOTE=Mister Blue Sky]I still download at 3 :upset:

Is anyone else watching the State of the Union adress?[/QUOTE]

I'm in too good of a mood to watch that.

[QUOTE=Mister Blue Sky]I still download at 3 :upset:

Is anyone else watching the State of the Union adress?[/QUOTE]

I just started watching it. I get 25 extra credit points in my Gov't class if I write 2 paragraphs on it. Huzzah.

[QUOTE=Steerpike]I'm in too good of a mood to watch that.[/QUOTE]
I have the same attitude. I don't feel like getting riled up.

[QUOTE=Deth]I have the same attitude. I don't feel like getting riled up.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I'd much rather listen to good local bands.

NP: A Crisis Andrea - Ginsing and Honey

[QUOTE=Steerpike]I'm in too good of a mood to watch that.[/QUOTE]

haha i look forward to seeing how it turns out.

State of the Union just ended. My roomate said he almost fell asleep listening to Bush's BS, good thing i have trusty old Maiden. :thumb:

hey isn't your avatar that lady who turned herself into a man for 18 months and dated girls to feel "empowered."

[QUOTE=Aw3someman]hey isn't your avatar that lady who turned herself into a man for 18 months and dated girls to feel "empowered."[/QUOTE]
who are you talking to?

Smoking: girls hate smoking (the girls I know, at least) so I don't do it (anymore). Period.

State of the Union: That's what I love about ESPN, you can always get a half-decent basketball game when you need one.

Smoking, I don't do it because it smells bad and is gross. Have you ever wiped off a table that was near someone that just smoking in that area? It's dirty in like 5 seconds. I definately don't want that **** in my body.