[QUOTE=cobert]Yeah, but after you've been playing for about 3 months you can know what sounds right.[/QUOTE]

Maybe if you're a bassist and you only have to deal with bass notes. It's much harder for guitarists.

[QUOTE=cbmartinez]Yes, I do. I'm cr00sh. Plus I have a record player and I could hear that cr00sh b-side.

Speaking of that, has the b-side leaked yet?[/QUOTE]

Good point.

I must depart, as Sopranos has just started.

:wave:

[QUOTE=BridgeToSolace]Theory and such make the process much easier, because writing things isn't as much of a guess-and-check situation. You [I]know[/I] that this note over this note will not sound good, instead of just thinking "if I hit this fret here over this chord, will it sound good?"

As someone who has written music while taking lessons, it does improve one's ability to convey the musical message that you have in head.[/QUOTE]
I know all my scales and all that goodness on the fret board, and how it will sound. But I don't have any idea what scale I'm actually playing. I just know it's a scale that fits.

I think you can acquire the same talents without lessons.

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution]I know all my scales and all that goodness on the fret board, and how it will sound. But I don't have any idea what scale I'm actually playing. I just know it's a scale that fits.

I think you can acquire the same talents without lessons.[/QUOTE]
I'm the same way.

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution]I know all my scales and all that goodness on the fret board, and how it will sound. But I don't have any idea what scale I'm actually playing. I just know it's a scale that fits.

I think you can acquire the same talents without lessons.[/QUOTE]

Good luck learning how to sweep and pinch harmonic without someone to teach you.

[QUOTE=BridgeToSolace]Good luck learning how to sweep and pinch harmonic without someone to teach you.[/QUOTE]
I can pinch.

I've not had an interest in sweeping yet but if the interest strikes me I can learn it.

I'm kind of wondering how good the anti-lesson people are, because most of the people I've met in real life who have that viewpoint really aren't. Of course everyone is different, but from what I've seen the vast majority of the music-playing population desperately need lessons.

[QUOTE=PDWAB]I'm kind of wondering how good the anti-lesson people are, because most of the people I've met in real life who have that viewpoint really aren't.[/QUOTE]
I'm terrible. :)

And I'm not anti-lessons, like I said, you get much better technique in lessons. I just don't think a formal education in music makes you a better musician.

Does better technique not make you a better musician :confused:

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution] I just don't think a formal education in music makes you a better musician.[/QUOTE]


I've just spent a year meeting the best musicians I've ever met at this University, so I'm sorry but from where I'm coming from that is a really ignorant statement.

[QUOTE=BridgeToSolace]Does better technique not make you a better musician :confused:[/QUOTE]
Not in my mind, no. Shred, for instance, does nothing for me.
[QUOTE=PDWAB]I've just spent a year meeting the best musicians I've ever met at this University, so I'm sorry but from where I'm coming from that is a really ignorant statement.[/QUOTE]
Joel, you're a music major. If you had agreed with me I'd have had to ask you what the hell you were doing in a music degree :)

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution]Not in my mind, no. Shred, for instance, does nothing for me.[/QUOTE]

Then how do you judge how good and talented a musician is?

[QUOTE=BridgeToSolace]Then how do you judge how good and talented a musician is?[/QUOTE]
You can't really judge how talented they are really, but you can tell if they have some if any.

I prefer overall musical talent rather than just instrumental.

This is why I can't listen to Dream Theater much. It's all nice to hear some sick guitar playing for a bit, but then I have to turn on something that has a little more depth.

Since when does Dream Theater not have depth :confused:?

[QUOTE=BridgeToSolace]Then how do you judge how good and talented a musician is?[/QUOTE]
Subjectively.

Based on what you think of the music they create. I'm pretty sure the definition of musician runs along the lines of "one who creates music"

[QUOTE=BridgeToSolace]Since when does Dream Theater not have depth :confused:?[/QUOTE]
Since all they do is just shred up every single instrument. It doesn't even sound like there's any emotion. It's just mindless technicality. IMO.

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution]Subjectively.

Based on what you think of the music they create. I'm pretty sure the definition of musician runs along the lines of "one who creates music"[/QUOTE]

No, a musician is someone who plays music. A composer or a writer is omeone who creates it. If a musician is only someone who creates music, than even the people who play in the most famous orchestras aren't even musicians, because they aren't actually writing anything.
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Since all they do is just shred up every single instrument. It doesn't even sound like there's any emotion. It's just mindless technicality. IMO.[/QUOTE]

You obviously haven't heard much Dream Theater...

[QUOTE=BridgeToSolace]You obviously haven't heard much Dream Theater...[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I've only got 3 cds :-\

[QUOTE=Fire Whispers]Yeah, I've only got 3 cds :-\[/QUOTE]

If you can listen to Scenes From A Memory and say that it's an emotionless shredfest, you have no idea what music is.

[QUOTE=BridgeToSolace]If you can listen to Scenes From A Memory and say that it's an emotionless shredfest, you have no idea what music is.[/QUOTE]
Not ALL of it is. But some of it certainly is.

[QUOTE=Fire Whispers]Not ALL of it is. But some of it certainly is.[/QUOTE]

Scenes From A Memory is a masterpiece of music.

I don't care about or listen to other Dream Theater.

[QUOTE=BridgeToSolace]Scenes From A Memory is a masterpiece of music.

I don't care about or listen to other Dream Theater.[/QUOTE]
haha

I feel like that about a lot of bands.

[QUOTE=BridgeToSolace]No, a musician is someone who plays music. A composer or a writer is omeone who creates it. If a musician is only someone who creates music, than even the people who play in the most famous orchestras aren't even musicians, because they aren't actually writing anything.
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Since when is playing not creating music?

A composer composes it. A musician creates it in any form. Reading sheet and playing it is still creating music. Music isn't what's written on the paper, it's what you hear.

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution]Since when is playing not creating music?

A composer composes it. A musician creates it in any form. Reading sheet and playing it is still creating music. Music isn't what's written on the paper, it's what you hear.[/QUOTE]

So if you happen to link Tom Delonge's music more than Michael Angelo Batio's music (google video him if you don't know him), then Tom Delonge is a better musician?

I don't follow your logic.

How good someone is at their instrument is not subjective.

[QUOTE=BridgeToSolace]So if you happen to link Tom Delonge's music more than Michael Angelo Batio's music (google video him if you don't know him), then Tom Delonge is a better musician?

I don't follow your logic.

How good someone is at their instrument is not subjective.[/QUOTE]
Yes.

Kay, I thought it was pretty straightforward.

Right.

WHY IS EVERYBODY STILL ARGUING ABOUT MUSIC LESSONS?

Im back.

[QUOTE=vince]Yes.

Kay, I thought it was pretty straightforward.

Right.[/QUOTE]

All three of these answers are correct, in my opinion.

sup Cob

Everyone join our "I hate everything club" (even this club)

[quote]Joel, you're a music major. If you had agreed with me I'd have had to ask you what the hell you were doing in a music degree[/quote]

Awesome, so you can ignore my point.

Formal training touches on ALL aspects of playing music, including musicality, personal interpretations of the music- it's about helping you be a [i]musician,[/i] not a note-playing automaton. Most people have a limited perspective on it because they don't pursue it past the technique stage, which is a necessary part to ensure you have the tools you need to really explore the more musical side of things.

I'd love to be a music major but I suck at instruments.