[QUOTE=Sid]Do you really think Fat Wreck would bother threatening legal action if AM! didn't have a problem with it. Of course they would hide behind the label. And Fat Mike probably jumped at a chance, he reads those boards and knows people make fun of him and his label for being on/once being on the RIAA's list of protected labels.[/QUOTE]

I think Fat would do it at the drop of a hat. He knew that PIX couldn't afford a legal battle so it's a way to push the smaller company around and to ensure that AM's name is kept clean.

[QUOTE=CameoRole]I think Fat would do it at the drop of a hat. He knew that PIX couldn't afford a legal battle so it's a way to push the smaller company around and to ensure that AM's name is kept clean.[/QUOTE]

But Fat Mike is just trying to get punk music heard! rite? rite???

God I love you sid. Come on aim sometime buddy.

That Steve Albini article doesn't apply to bands like Against Me! or Rise Against or Anti-Flag.

That article applies to bands who have no real following and at most a minor album under their belt.

Bands like the above have huge followings and no real need of the major labels. The Major's know this and can't screw these bands like they can unknown bands.
Mitch doesn't really know what he's talking about right now. He uses the Greenday and Butt Trumpet anecdote but it couldn't apply to this situation less.

Against Me! has huge barganing power with the majors because the major isn't taking any risk in advancing them money or producing their record or distributing it. The built in fanbase takes care of that. Plus, having recorded 3 albums, AM know what it really costs to record an album and won't stand for the majors forcing 10k a day for studio time.

Rise Against have similar ethics to AM. It didn't bother me when they signed. This doesn't bother me either. It's just music after all.

And Against Me anarchist? "Baby I'm an anarchist" is satire.

I don't know what's going on with the PIX thing. If someone explains it I'll comment on that.

Kith, have you ever listened to Against Me? Of course Baby I'm an Anarchist is satire just like Love Me, I'm a Liberal is satire, but Phil Ochs was as left as gay could be. If you have, you would recognize the anarcho message in their early stuff.

Against Me is going to make money from signing to a label; you are right about that. They can get shafted artistically due to unwavering and expensive contracts, but the fact remains that it is in direct opposition to their ethics and message.

Yes, though I've never looked at lyrics for the old stuff, much of which is unitelligible. Their old stuff is years ago anyway. 5 years can be a long time. And reality is very different from theory.

I doubt Against Me is going to make any more money from the major label than they would from Fat Wreck. Just like Rise Against didn't. You don't make money signing to major labels. But they won't get fu[size=2]cked[/size] over like a small act would.

My point is that Against Me is big enough that they won't get shafted artistically.

[QUOTE=Kithkin]Yes, though I've never looked at lyrics for the old stuff, much of which is unitelligible. Their old stuff is years ago anyway. 5 years can be a long time. And reality is very different from theory.

I doubt Against Me is going to make any more money from the major label than they would from Fat Wreck. Just like Rise Against didn't. You don't make money signing to major labels. But they won't get fu[size=2]cked[/size] over like a small act would.

My point is that Against Me is big enough that they won't get shafted artistically.[/QUOTE]

I think they will. Contracts are binding/expensive to get out of.

[QUOTE=Kithkin]Yes, though I've never looked at lyrics for the old stuff, much of which is unitelligible. Their old stuff is years ago anyway. 5 years can be a long time. And reality is very different from theory.

I doubt Against Me is going to make any more money from the major label than they would from Fat Wreck. Just like Rise Against didn't. You don't make money signing to major labels. But they won't get fu[size=2]cked[/size] over like a small act would.

My point is that Against Me is big enough that they won't get shafted artistically.[/QUOTE]
Just to point out the obvious, even if they don't make anymore money on the major, there must be something more beneficial they see and that's more exposure to more people which will bring in more cash.

They had enough exposure as it was on Fat Wreck, I don't think that was much of a problem. They're probably the most popular band within the punk genre, and that's exposure enough. I can't see them getting mass amounts of airtime on mainstream radio within the next few years. I think they're just going to Sire for more money.

[QUOTE=TakeWarning]They had enough exposure as it was on Fat Wreck, I don't think that was much of a problem. They're probably the most popular band within the punk genre, and that's exposure enough. I can't see them getting mass amounts of airtime on mainstream radio within the next few years. I think they're just going to Sire for more money.[/QUOTE]
But as Kith said they don't always make more money on the Majors. Where's the proof that they do?

[QUOTE=lynch_me]But as Kith said they don't always make more money on the Majors. Where's the proof that they do?[/QUOTE]

Numbers and promises get confusing.

[QUOTE=CameoRole]Numbers and promises get confusing.[/QUOTE]
This whole thread/"issue" is now confusing. I really don't know what to think of AM!, I spose there will always be a soft spot, cos their songs opened my mind and eyes to a whole new world of rad music, politics and ideals.

i'm a little out of the loop, they signed with Sire Records immediately after recording their last album?

If such is the case, they're contract was probably up and perhaps fat wreck didn't deliver. Did you ever think FW was the controlling one? Maybe wanting to push his label closer to the majors, fat mike was doing the very thing you're all accusing Sire of. He saw an opportunity in AM! and tried to run with it but AM! wouldn't have it. Major doesn't always mean less control, they have to sign a contract and i'm sure they have some say in the producer, if not all of it. I'm sure AM! wouldn't sign knowing they were going to lose their creative control...

We're all well aware Fat Mike is a douche.

You know, logistically, Fat Wreck and Sire are pretty much the same. One just has greater distrobution and I'm not even sure of that.

Yeah. Fat Wreck basically operates like a major. They just aren't owned by a corporation.

In all honesty, looking at it objectively, Sire is probably better for them than Fat, assuming they signed. Sure, there are 'advantages' to Fat, but I think overall, Sire ain't so awful.

In the end, everyone's gotta just realize that music is entertainment and at best, a nice jumpoff point for political action. It can be used to spread ideas in a fun way, but we can't just put faith in some band to singlehandedly change the world.

They make catchy music, spark interesting political/social debates, and do their best to keep their integrity in tact while making a decent living for themselves. But beyond that, if we're really expecting any kind of change, musicians aren't gonna be our saviors--only we can save ourselves.

[QUOTE=tappenzee]In the end, everyone's gotta just realize that music is entertainment and at best, a nice jumpoff point for political action. It can be used to spread ideas in a fun way, but we can't just put faith in some band to singlehandedly change the world.

They make catchy music, spark interesting political/social debates, and do their best to keep their integrity in tact while making a decent living for themselves. But beyond that, if we're really expecting any kind of change, musicians aren't gonna be our saviors--only we can save ourselves.[/QUOTE]
Why are you all up in my grill?

[QUOTE=SkaRobotArmy]Major doesn't always mean less control, they have to sign a contract and i'm sure they have some say in the producer, if not all of it. I'm sure AM! wouldn't sign knowing they were going to lose their creative control...[/QUOTE]

You should read that article from steve albini in the previous page I think. I'm not saying this is the case but just to let you know that things happen.

[QUOTE=lynch_me]Why are you all up in my grill?[/QUOTE]

Fall back homie, it's all love

[QUOTE=albert_bass]You should read that article from steve albini in the previous page I think. I'm not saying this is the case but just to let you know that things happen.[/QUOTE]

I already said there is a huge difference between Against Me and your average run of the mill started band.

Fat Wreck does one album contracts. Say what you will about Fat Mike, but Fat Wreck is one of the better labels out there and artists tend to be very happy there.

Sire doesn't look that bad either. A lot of their current artists are doing pretty well and aren't major label standard artists. In fact, very few of their artists have been (save for Ice Tea and Madonna).

The question is really how much control Warner has over what Sire does. If Sire is making money (and looking at it's current roster I imagine it is) then they probably leave it alone. After all, Warner has only been owned by it's current owner for about 2 years.

How much effort does Warner in general put into music and record labels? I hear very little about them as a record label and it seems it wouldn't be their main concern to be very strict and controlling of these bands because their money doesn't depend on their record label, it depends on their movie industry stuff.

Plus almost all the sub-labels they've acquired are former independents or small time labels like Elektra and Rhino.

It's a different story with companies like Sony BMG and EMI who are pretty much music only (Sony does have its hand in other things, granted, but the BMG half doesn't)

[QUOTE=Kithkin]I already said there is a huge difference between Against Me and your average run of the mill started band.

Fat Wreck does one album contracts. Say what you will about Fat Mike, but Fat Wreck is one of the better labels out there and artists tend to be very happy there.

Sire doesn't look that bad either. A lot of their current artists are doing pretty well and aren't major label standard artists. In fact, very few of their artists have been (save for Ice Tea and Madonna).

The question is really how much control Warner has over what Sire does. If Sire is making money (and looking at it's current roster I imagine it is) then they probably leave it alone. After all, Warner has only been owned by it's current owner for about 2 years.[/QUOTE]

Hey, I already said it doesn't have to be this case. Also I like Fat Wreck, I haven't said anything bad about them, they have lots of bands I like. I was just saying everyone should read that article because it's very interesting general culture.

Farewell, Good Fellows your ways are not for me
Farewell, Good Fellows your ways are not for me
Rest upon your laurels, glad you've found your peace but
Farewell, Good Fellows your ways are not for me

Rapping at the chapel door
Sweeping up an enemies floor
Do not touch or make a sound
Keep your eyes upon the ground

I read your countless volumes
Shunned your many sins
But I cannot find salvation
In the rattling of your tins

I wish good to your children
And their own children too
But your armour will not fit me
Although fine it's suiting you

Farewell, Good Fellows your ways are not for me
Farewell, Good Fellows your ways are not for me
Rest upon your laurels, glad you've found your peace
Farewell, Good Fellows your ways are not for me

A flag is waved, a bomb is thrown
So many names and dates to know
Books upon the books are stacked
To get something so simple back

We're talking revolution
But spirals not the spins
Where you fall down dizzy
And forget where to begin

I wish good to your children
And their own children too
But your armour will not fit me
Although fine it's suiting you

Suiting you, suiting you
Suiting you, suiting you

Turn your blessings into weapons
And hold them before your chest
To you and all your comrades
I only wish the best

We may not meet again
For we are treading separate trails
But I'll cast off at dinner
You won't seize the roads or rails

From chapels to the army
Magicians to the knave
You'll either blaze your own trail
Or you're diggin your own grave

I wish good to your children
And their own children too
But your armour will not fit me
Although fine it's suiting you

Your armour will not fit me
Your armour will not fit me
Although fine it's suiting you
Your armour will not fit me
Your armour will not fit me
Although fine it's suiting you

So farewell, good fellows
Farewell, Good Fellows your ways are not for me
Farewell, good fellows
Farewell, Good Fellows your ways are not for me
Not for me

*wipes tear*

Beautiful.

[QUOTE=Crack-Rock-Steady]*wipes tear*

Beautiful.[/QUOTE]

It is.

Erik Petersen is my god now.

This may be a tad off topic but uh.... any one have the chord progression to Holy Shi't off the new album? I can't find it tabbed anywhere on the net.

[QUOTE=Spenser]This may be a tad off topic but uh.... any one have the chord progression to Holy Shi't off the new album? I can't find it tabbed anywhere on the net.[/QUOTE]

Do a google search and go to the last of the page list. Seems Against Me! Have been going crazy lately.

[QUOTE=Spenser]This may be a tad off topic but uh.... any one have the chord progression to Holy Shi't off the new album? I can't find it tabbed anywhere on the net.[/QUOTE]
Once again...911tabs.com.

[QUOTE=Spenser]This may be a tad off topic but uh.... any one have the chord progression to Holy Shi't off the new album? I can't find it tabbed anywhere on the net.[/QUOTE]

F E Am

Chorus: G Am F and then the last one ends in E.

Thanks.

Could someone who has the first 12inch with the remastering problems message me? I have a question about one of the songs.

My AIM screen name is Myriad Choices.

[QUOTE=thepo]F E Am

Chorus: G Am F and then the last one ends in E.[/QUOTE]

I just learned this song. So fun to play on an acoustic.

I don't know how to play any of their songs yet. It's too much of an effort to find reliable tabs these day, and none of their songs reall have great basslines anyway.

I like to play I still love you julie, walking is still honest, pints of guinness, Unprotected sex with multiple partners etc

[QUOTE=TakeWarning]I don't know how to play any of their songs yet. It's too much of an effort to find reliable tabs these day, and none of their songs reall have great basslines anyway.[/QUOTE]
Those Anarcho Punx is pretty fun to play on bass.

how much money do you think against me! pulls in at the end of the year ?

[QUOTE=sketchyjoe]Erik Petersen is my god now.[/QUOTE]
I may have to second this, since that's all I've been listening to today, until about 3 minutes ago.