I totally agree with memory. It pretty much explains why people who listen to tool can except so many different types of music. You can just love what the songs sound like to you and not how popular they are. Its why you either love tool or hate tool. APC to me is more of a gap fill. Although i think they are still a band you have to let go to love, they do seem to run more mainstream then tool. they get more general attention in mainstream music and are quite as out there(although they still can be of course). I think APC is the bridge to tool. When people see the weak and powerless, the outsider, and judith videos on mainstream television and become involved with the band, they want to know more about where they came and eventually they will learn more about tool and hear some of their music and such. (I KNOW THIS IS DRAGGING ON!) Unless you are from the early and mid 90's MTV generation, or you just happened to see a tool video and love the song(like i did), you aren't likely to have seen anything or heard anything by tool lately(besides Schism or Parabola, which aren't that big of mainstream hits). Thats why the tool fans have become so few, but also so dedicated. APC is sort of trying to keep tool in the game of music while still being their own band. This is how I explain the theory of tool fans, apc fans, and eveything in between.
- the Canadian "Mike"

p.s. I may rant or explain some more later. And i do research mainstream music media on my own and see how it works.

[QUOTE=Paranoidd]CoopALoop: Justin Chanceller plays bass. I think you mean Danny Carey, the drummer...

He uses a custom bronze kit I believe. Both acoustic and electric (simmons trigger pads) with a roland MC-505 and other goodies. Try [url]http://www.paiste.com[/url] or [url]http://www.dannycarey.com[/url] or use google.

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oh sorry about the confusion, i wanted Justin Chanceller, i'm a bassit sorry about the confusion :p

yeah i agree with Canadian bassist, i got into tool form my dad, he had Lateralus hagin around i listened to it, loved it, and went out and Bought Aenima, still i've only seen 2 tool vids, sober and schism

haha I bought Aenima without hearing one track off it. Best 28$ I ever spent. That seems like such an understatment. That is my faovorite cd and my first time listening to it was the greatest musical experience of my life thus far.

Tool
 

Ill be as brief as is in my nature to be brief with this. First off, all this religious mumbo jumbo is crock. One of the only things TOOL has ever let the public directly about themselves, without the subtleties of sarcasm of wit, is "think for yourself, question authority." Thats a Timothy Leary quote, look it up. So, its important to understand that they would have nothing to do with any organized religion beyond personal spirituality, although Im sure they all have a vast knowledge of theology, especially ol' MJK. Also, please understand that most of what the band says, be it in songs or interviews, is them being smart asses. Theyre really quite hilarious if you pay close attention. SO, with that in mind, lets look at the albums. Opiate, they established their sound, their sense of humor, and their bitterness (for lack of a better word) towards religion. Nuff said. Undertow, a look into human emotions. Think about that with the entire album. Theres desperation, theres this feeling of being sucked in. Get it? No? Ok... Aenima. Social statement. I carroused other posts on this thread. Lots of talk about Eulogy. Heres my opinion. The album is trying to bring our attention to the fact that we are becoming sheep. Eulogy is expressing peoples focus on false idols, most notable those on the TeeVee. Stinkfist, fisting is indeed a strong metaphor for our culture's desensitized state. We have no sense of reality anymore. I think its funny. Anyway...Lateralus. Fine piece of work. If youll note, the band clearly states that the one song they are most proud of is Lateralus itself (forgive me I can never remember the difference in spelling between the album and the song). Hint hint, Danny Carey is a big fan of the Fibonnacci sequence, which is clearly part of the Lateralus (song) structure, so would it not make sense that the album's "secret" sequence between designed on the fibonacci sequence as well? Sure, I myself did this, put the songs in this order: 1,2,3,5,8,13,4,6,7,9,10,11,12. Fibonacci first, then non-fibonacci. Its fantastic. Blah blah blah, Lateralus examines spirituality and is very mathematic and the time signature in Schism is split and thats why its called Schism and I have **** to do so Im out. BTW, Im Sidus on TA, case theres any TAers out there.

...i would say that the song is called schism, and thats why the time signature is split

[QUOTE=BlinDecsent]haha I bought Aenima without hearing one track off it. Best 28$ I ever spent. That seems like such an understatment. That is my faovorite cd and my first time listening to it was the greatest musical experience of my life thus far.[/QUOTE]


28$??????????????

where do you live, antartica?

[QUOTE=CoopALoop]yeah i agree with Canadian bassist, i got into tool form my dad, he had Lateralus hagin around i listened to it, loved it, and went out and Bought Aenima, still i've only seen 2 tool vids, sober and schism[/QUOTE]

Your dad!! Now thats Kick a[SIZE=2]s[/SIZE]s!!

how old are you and your dad by the way?

[QUOTE=Stagefrightken]Here is a link to my kit. Bet ya can't guess what drummer inspired it! I'll put up some more links when I get the rest of the parts in for it this week... You need to scroll down to the bottom of the page.....

[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222631&page=10&pp=25[/url][/QUOTE]

Dammit, why did i expet to hear a snare/kick, etc everytime I put my mouse over one!

Seriously though,how much did that set up set you back?

Im not sure if there is any truth to this statement, but it seems that Tool have the most expensive set ups for a band. Danny's is obvious, Adam's rig is immense, and Justin cetinally doesn't hold back on his pedals (still looking for his rig setup link). And then the kaviar costs for maynard......

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]...i would say that the song is called schism, and thats why the time signature is split[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the insight.

Sup Medopalis, cool to see you posting in here

There are many ideas on underlying themes to 13th step, but the drug/general addiction seems to be the most common. Although Maynard or Billy have never publicy confirmed or denied this fact, its seems logical, especially when looking into more of the songs deeper meanings. Although as for failing the program, it seems mor elogical (as has been said before) that since the last line on the album "I choose to live" that he has reformed.

Just my/others thoughts in a nutshell

[QUOTE=sidus]Ill be as brief as is in my nature to be brief with this. First off, all this religious mumbo jumbo is crock. One of the only things TOOL has ever let the public directly about themselves, without the subtleties of sarcasm of wit, is "think for yourself, question authority." Thats a Timothy Leary quote, look it up. So, its important to understand that they would have nothing to do with any organized religion beyond personal spirituality, although Im sure they all have a vast knowledge of theology, especially ol' MJK. Also, please understand that most of what the band says, be it in songs or interviews, is them being smart asses. Theyre really quite hilarious if you pay close attention. SO, with that in mind, lets look at the albums. Opiate, they established their sound, their sense of humor, and their bitterness (for lack of a better word) towards religion. Nuff said. Undertow, a look into human emotions. Think about that with the entire album. Theres desperation, theres this feeling of being sucked in. Get it? No? Ok... Aenima. Social statement. I carroused other posts on this thread. Lots of talk about Eulogy. Heres my opinion. The album is trying to bring our attention to the fact that we are becoming sheep. Eulogy is expressing peoples focus on false idols, most notable those on the TeeVee. Stinkfist, fisting is indeed a strong metaphor for our culture's desensitized state. We have no sense of reality anymore. I think its funny. Anyway...Lateralus. Fine piece of work. If youll note, the band clearly states that the one song they are most proud of is Lateralus itself (forgive me I can never remember the difference in spelling between the album and the song). Hint hint, Danny Carey is a big fan of the Fibonnacci sequence, which is clearly part of the Lateralus (song) structure, so would it not make sense that the album's "secret" sequence between designed on the fibonacci sequence as well? Sure, I myself did this, put the songs in this order: 1,2,3,5,8,13,4,6,7,9,10,11,12. Fibonacci first, then non-fibonacci. Its fantastic. Blah blah blah, Lateralus examines spirituality and is very mathematic and the time signature in Schism is split and thats why its called Schism and I have **** to do so Im out. BTW, Im Sidus on TA, case theres any TAers out there.[/QUOTE]
well there isnt a difference in the spelling of lateralus unless you got one of the early copies where its called lateralis.. i think it was just a typo :thumb:

i'm tired so i haven't much to say...but medopalis...BUY LATERALUS?!?! :thumb:

Dont you worry about Mr Medopalis...ill make him buy it, I have da POWER!


Why did i just speak like that :upset:

Any news on the new album?

None thas new im afraid. As soon as there is, its going in here. Although the APC DVD release date gives me something to look forwrd to in the meantime

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]Your dad!! Now thats Kick a[SIZE=2]s[/SIZE]s!!

how old are you and your dad by the way?[/QUOTE]

I'm 16
hes liek 43

Dude thats f.ucking awesome. If I could get my dad into Tool, then dam.n. That would be awesome.

Dude my friend Jakob thinks the song "46 & 2" is about excercising?!?!?! The song is clearly about emotional evolution, but he doesn't believe in evolution of any kind. Let me explain what 46 & 2 means, there are three totally different kinds of humans on the Earth, meaning that they perceive the One reality in three different ways, interpreted differently. The first kind of human has a chromosome composition of 42+2. They comprise a unity consciousness that does not see anything outside themselves as being separate from themselves. To them, there is only one energy - one life, one beingness that moves everywhere. Anything happening anywhere is within them, as well. They are like cells in the body. They are all connected to a single consciousness that moves through all of them. These are the aboriginals in Australia. There might be a few African tribes left like this. Then, there is our level, comprising 44+2 chromosomes. We are a disharmonic level of consciousness that is used as a steppingstone from the 42+2 level to the next level, 46+2...These two additional chromosomes change everything. The 46+2 chromosomes represent the next evolution in humans, but the song is not exactly about physical evolution.

When Maynard says:
I'm down
Digging through
My old muscles
Looking for a clue.

My friend Jakob interpreted that as someone finding a reason to work-out by thinking of the ones that called them weak, which would give them an insperation to excersise.

I believe that it means that this person is trying to find a way to better them selves, by learning from their mistakes.

I've been crawling on my belly
Clearing out what could've been.
I've been wallowing in my own confused
And insecure delusions
For a piece to cross me over
Or a word to guide me in.
I wanna feel the changes coming down.
I wanna know what I've been hiding in

Jakob believes that this is the actual work-out process, where this person is crawling on their belly, deciding what to do next that will make them stronger.

I think that it means that this person is struggling and is having a hard time getting back up (emotionally), and is looking for some kind of outlet for the pain that they are enduring.

My shadow.
Change is coming through my shadow.
My shadow's shedding skin
I've been picking
My scabs again

Jakob believe's the changing shadow is a result of someone getting buffer and buffer

I believe that the person has found a way to better themself and is noticing the changes.

I choose to live and to
Grow, take and give and to
Move, learn and love and to
Cry, kill and die and to
Be paranoid and to
Lie, hate and fear and to
Do what it takes to move through.

Jakob thinks that this means the person is literally growwing in strength, and that the person is getting more frustrated with his enemies so they work-out even harder.

I believe that this refers to the old saying "What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger.".

See my shadow changing,
Stretching up and over me.
Soften this old armor.
Hoping I can clear the way
By stepping through my shadow,
Coming out the other side.
Step into the shadow.
Forty six and two are just ahead of me.

Jakob believes that this means that the person is going so over the top with working-out, that they are losing control.

I thik it means that they are being consumed by their feelings and that they are looking for a way to get rid of their problems by stepping through their shadow when their moment of bliss just ahead of them.

What do you guys think the song is about?

your interpretation on that song does make sense, but you always have to remember, you can never be wrong, unless you come up with some stupid answer like your friend Jakob :p

ya my dad loves teh band Tool

Here is my summed up idea of the song: I believe the song is about self-acceptence, and finding your own way of bettering your self. Hence "Emotional Evolution", if that helps.

Well, your friend Jakob has probably won the award for the absolute worse interpretation of a Tool song. It is about human evolution, not emotional evoloution. This song ties into several other Tool songs and all with the same goal, evolve into a more advanced human. Whew, this is going to be a LONG LONG post.

I have researched Metaphysics for years. Hence one of the reasons I became such a huge Tool fan, they study Metaphysics as well. Alot of thier songs tie together. I'll give you a brief overview of some Metaphysical ideas and you can tie the songs together and probably get a better idea of what they are trying to convey through thier music.

Ok, to start all this off you have think about different dimensions and human evolution. We currently live in the 3rd dimenstion. While we live in this dimension our body has 44&2 chromosoms. Now, some believe that there are ways to move from our present dimension into the 4th. To do this one must study sacred geometry and understand how the basic universe was created. All things living are carbon based.

Sacred Geometry is a way to geometrically explain all things created and living. The flower of life is the basis for everything, as is carbon. The human body is surrounded by 3 star tetrahedrans. 2 of these are actively moving, the 3rd is stationary. To move from the 3rd to the 4th dimension several things need to happen theoretically. Firstly your body my evolve into having 46&2 chromosomes (Hence what the 46&2 Tool song is about). The theory is that to begin the transformation the Pineal Gland must be stimulated. The Pineal Gland is also called the "Third Eye" (Tool Song). Once this Pineal Gland is stimulated it theoretically creates a hormone which will cause the transformation of the human body. How a person activates the Pineal Gland is done through self meditation called Mantra (Tool Song). Ok, now. Lets imagine that we have stimulated our Pineal Gland and have evolved our bodies into having 46&2 Chromosomes. Now, through meditation we will begin to move the 3rd Star Tetrahedran. When this Tetrahedran moves along with the other 2 a "Merkaba" (Tool Song) is created. This Merkaba is basically a vehicle to move from one dimesnion to the next.

There are theories that people can move between the different dimensions. One of these people is Drunvalo Melchizedek. There is so much to research about him that I won't even go into him and will leave this for you to do. Be wary of bull**** web sites who claim to be this person as they are pretty much full of ****.

This is a very basic run down of some of the Metaphysical studies Tool is involved with. The great thing about Tool is how the music actually is the process for them to relate to these topics and the lyrics kind of guide a person along. In this one post I have clued you in on enough stuff that could literally take years to research.

[QUOTE=Stagefrightken]Well, your friend Jakob has probably won the award for the absolute worse interpretation of a Tool song. It is about human evolution, not emotional evoloution. This song ties into several other Tool songs and all with the same goal, evolve into a more advanced human. Whew, this is going to be a LONG LONG post.
[/QUOTE]

A long one, but well worth it. I must praise you highly for such an insight, and a interpretation that goes deeper with facts and information. I really would like to understand more now (im a glutton for information),could you recommend any starting points of where to look? Like sites, or books?


[QUOTE]When this Tetrahedran moves along with the other 2 a "Merkaba" (Tool Song) is created. This Merkaba is basically a vehicle to move from one dimesnion to the next. [/QUOTE]

I was told that Merkaba is an Egyptian term and part of their ancient culture, although thats as much as I have heard. Is there any truth to that, or is it more of a universal expression?

I have heard the Merkaba is an Egyptian term but it was quite a while ago. It was a dis-proved theory pretty quick as the origin and word make up of Merkaba has no ancient Egyptian associations.

I'll have to actually think of a proper sequence of books for you to start reading. I didnt find any of the reading difficult but some of the people I am friends with who have researched the same books have had problems comprehending alot of it. If you get a chance contact me on AIM and well try to work out a book list. AIM = SniffinLippy

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]Dammit, why did i expet to hear a snare/kick, etc everytime I put my mouse over one!

Seriously though,how much did that set up set you back?

Im not sure if there is any truth to this statement, but it seems that Tool have the most expensive set ups for a band. Danny's is obvious, Adam's rig is immense, and Justin cetinally doesn't hold back on his pedals (still looking for his rig setup link). And then the kaviar costs for maynard......[/QUOTE]

I think the reasons they use such elaborate equipment is to allow them the perfect tones and have less restrictions on thier music. I have the same thought with my kit. Each drum and cymbal has its own voice and its up to me to compose those voices to get a point across.

As far as the price on that kit its pushing the $20,000.00 range right now. That includes everything from electronics, mics, effect processors, equalizers, to cases and cables.

you can have a look at the new A Perfect Circle single 'imagine' and see the covers of thier new cd and dvd! eMOTIVe/aMOTION (good names i think)

yer 1000th post!

ohh **** with all the excitment of posting the 1000th post i forgot to say you find this on thier main site [url]www.apecfectcircle.com[/url] :thumb:

jakob and his exercising 46 + 2 interpretation just goes to show that there's many possible interpretations of a song...none wrong, and but possibly all incorrect....
if that makes sense.
AJ is GOd - I thought MJK or Billy [I]had[/I] refered specifically to 13th step being about addiction in interveiws...i'll have to research and see ...

With all the indepth metaphysics and sacred geometry that satgefright mentioned, it brought to midn an old tool site...does it still exist?
innuendo cornucopaeia
it had very intricate articaltes about the background to all these theories and more that are relevent to tool ....

A Perfect Circle: Weak and Powerless

Tool is the greatest!!! You all know the lyrics "someone feed the monkey while in dig in search of china white as dracula as i approach the bottom". It means something to me b/c I can kinda relate to what I think maynard is trying to say. To me it means and individual like me or you struggling through out life stumbling all the way. Diging their hole deeper (towards china). and being weak and powerless about it. That describes my life. I had heard of tool and only listened to them every once and a while. since I've really got it to tool, I have a new found respect for music and a huge respect for the band. Maynard is a Lyrical GOD! Danny is the best drummer ALIVE!! Thanks alot and take care.

tools da ****