[QUOTE=Kage]It's still putting something in a person's lungs that person doesn't want, regardless of how much it is.

Seriously, smokers just chop away at their throats and lungs slowly, and they take other people down with them. Where are the advantages?[/QUOTE]

While we're at it we should stop people from driving because of exhaust fumes.

[QUOTE=Superpeer]Sure it applies to Belgium, it kills loads of people.

But do you know how much money is spent on cigarettes every year? Cigarette companies employ thousands of people and they are major sponsors for so many things, so they affect jobs indirectly as well. If everyone just stopped buying cigarettes, just like that? I think it would crash, I'm pretty sure it would.[/quote]

The amount of money wasted in healthcare for all the damage caused by cigarettes is several degrees of magnitude greater than the money spent on cigarettes.

[QUOTE=Superpeer]Yeah, and why should you treat people with AIDS? They could have prevented it if they had been more careful. Come on, man.[/QUOTE]

You know this is an extremely bad counterexample to use :-)

Epidemiologically, AIDS is now being sustained through the transfer of the HIV virus from mother to child. Something that the child has no control over.

[QUOTE=I Am Vikingcore]I said to be around it every now and then... read the entire sentence... most of the people who complain about second hand smoke are hardly ever exposed to it.[/QUOTE]

That's true, to have second hand smoke badly damaging you, you'd have to practically live in a room where someone else smoked constantly and where there are no windows. And in such a room, one shouldn't smoke.

Have you all looked at the amount of cars around you, lately? Pollution, anyone? That'll do you more damage than some stupid second hand smoke. It's quite easy to avoid it.

[QUOTE=I Am Vikingcore]While we're at it we should stop people from driving because of exhaust fumes.[/QUOTE]
If people made a habit of sticking their faces right next to the pipe, sure.

I can't comprehend someone being foolish enough to willingly do something they know will harm them in the long run. It doesn't make sense to me when it's a problem that is so easily preventable.

Stopping driving cars is not really a plausible solution to anything.

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]I have a cousin who developed emphysima (sp?) from smoking. She's now in a wheel chair and has to be hooked up to an oxygen tank every second of every day. The sad thing is, she still smokes.[/QUOTE]

My dad is dangerously close to emphysema, so he cut back to 1/3 pack a day. That's still 10 cigarettes daily, though.

[QUOTE=Superpeer]
I forgot this too: Mixes well with girls.

[/QUOTE]

Drinking is a social lubricant. A little bit gets you in there, but too much and you shoot through to the other side.

[QUOTE=Leukeh]I try not to get drunk. I'll drink sure, but getting off my face just isn't me. I don't enjoy it. Consequences++[/QUOTE]

Same for me. Plus I'm a tank (not boasting or anything) so it's expensive to get drunk, especially out on the town.

[QUOTE=Cain]

And don't even get me started on the rocket scientists that got us to the moon.[/QUOTE]

:lol: "Where would we be without scientists?"

"Probably without memorials in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, you heartless bastard".

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]It wouldn't be so bad if I could drive. Not that I would br driving that far at this point, but then I'd at least have a much better chance. Although I'm of age, I haven't even started driving yet, which really sucks. :( I'm quite sure I'm the last out of everyone in my class at school who doesn't drive.

On a completely unrelated note, does anyone here like Apocalyptica?[/QUOTE]

I didn't get my license until I'd left school. Does Leah know you've gone for days without showering? ;)

I like Apocalyptica, yes.

[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo]An '80's Action Hero like say...CHUCK NORRIS!!?!

omgomgprovoking

Anyways, oh, right, so then they do have you by the nuts. :( How about hairnets? Those are always kind of funny for a day or two.[/QUOTE]

Haha, I'd feel like an idiot once the novelty wore off.

[QUOTE=Cain]Why then is she no longer active on the boards? She seems to have enjoyed herself when she was here. Would it be awkward and such?

I imagine it would be, given a second thought to the BH/BC debacle.[/QUOTE]

My girlfriend posts on MX. She usually lurks though. She's posted in the Classic Rock thread a few times.

[QUOTE=Superpeer]Have you all looked at the amount of cars around you, lately? Pollution, anyone? That'll do you more damage than some stupid second hand smoke. It's quite easy to avoid it.[/QUOTE]

Again, an extremely slippery counterexample.

Automative transporation is a necessary evil in this modern world while cigarettes...What are they?

[QUOTE=I Am Vikingcore]While we're at it we should stop people from driving because of exhaust fumes.[/QUOTE]

Yay for people who don't know s[font=verdana]hit about science!

[QUOTE=Superpeer]That's true, to have second hand smoke badly damaging you, you'd have to practically live in a room where someone else smoked constantly and where there are no windows. And in such a room, one shouldn't smoke.

Have you all looked at the amount of cars around you, lately? Pollution, anyone? That'll do you more damage than some stupid second hand smoke. It's quite easy to avoid it.[/QUOTE]

Yay for still more people who don't know sh[/font]it about science!

[QUOTE=Kage]If people made a habit of sticking their faces right next to the pipe, sure.

I can't comprehend someone being foolish enough to willingly do something they know will harm them in the long run. It doesn't make sense to me when it's a problem that is so easily preventable.

Stopping driving cars is not really a plausible solution to anything.[/QUOTE]

A lot of things are easily preventable, and if you think making smoking cigarettes illegal would be easier than making people stop driving, you're mistaken... didn't you ever hear of the alchohol prohibition?

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]Yay for people who don't know s[font=verdana]hit about science![/QUOTE]

I know that was a retarded post, I wanted to edit it but I lagged to **** directly after posting it.

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]I didn't get my license until I'd left school. Does Leah know you've gone for days without showering? ;)

I like Apocalyptica, yes.[/QUOTE]
Gone days without showering? What did I miss? :confused:

I'm glad I'm not alone on Apocalyptica.

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]My dad is dangerously close to emphysema, so he cut back to 1/3 pack a day. That's still 10 cigarettes daily, though.



Drinking is a social lubricant. A little bit gets you in there, but too much and you shoot through to the other side.



Same for me. Plus I'm a tank (not boasting or anything) so it's expensive to get drunk, especially out on the town.



:lol: "Where would we be without scientists?"

"Probably without memorials in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, you heartless bastard".



I didn't get my license until I'd left school. Does Leah know you've gone for days without showering? ;)

I like Apocalyptica, yes.



Haha, I'd feel like an idiot once the novelty wore off.



My girlfriend posts on MX. She usually lurks though. She's posted in the Classic Rock thread a few times.[/QUOTE]
Who be this riva???

ATTN: I Am Vikingcore

This isn't the best of ways to get a hold of you, but the "other" forums have been revived, and if you're still interested with it, you should come have a look!

[QUOTE=Superpeer]That's true, to have second hand smoke badly damaging you, you'd have to practically live in a room where someone else smoked constantly and where there are no windows. And in such a room, one shouldn't smoke.[/QUOTE]
Oh, you mean like a concert venue? You could say, "Well, you choose to put yourself in that situation," but we shouldn't have to be plagued with harm when we're paying customers seeing a show.

[QUOTE=I Am Vikingcore]A lot of things are easily preventable, and if you think making smoking cigarettes illegal would be easier than making people stop driving, you're mistaken... didn't you ever hear of the alchohol prohibition?[/QUOTE]
I never said anything about making it illegal. I think people should learn to use their heads and just stop doing it. Education is the key, not law.

[QUOTE=Animosity]ATTN: I Am Vikingcore

This isn't the best of ways to get a hold of you, but the "other" forums have been revived, and if you're still interested with it, you should come have a look![/QUOTE]

Send me the link on AIM, sn is i am vikingcore.

BTW I finally got an Animosity cd.... freaking awesome.

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]Gone days without showering? What did I miss? :confused:

I'm glad I'm not alone on Apocalyptica.[/QUOTE]


I like Apocalyptica also.

[QUOTE=I Am Vikingcore]Send me the link on AIM, sn is i am vikingcore.

BTW I finally got an Animosity cd.... freaking awesome.[/QUOTE]
I'm afraid I don't have AIM, my computer can't get it....

MSN??

EDIT: And you know Animosity to me isn't that Metalcore band, it's a Corrosion of Conformity album!

[QUOTE=Deconstruction]Who be this riva???[/QUOTE]

Who be where with the what now?

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]Gone days without showering? What did I miss? :confused:

I'm glad I'm not alone on Apocalyptica.[/QUOTE]

Wasn't it you who posted in this thread, saying you were having a shower after 5 days?

What's your favourite album?

[QUOTE=Animosity]I'm afraid I don't have AIM, my computer can't get it....

MSN??

EDIT: And you know Animosity to me isn't that Metalcore band, it's a Corrosion of Conformity album![/QUOTE]

That animosity band is NOT metalcore... I cannot begin to comprehend how people could call them that...

and I know, you said that on the [I]other[/I] forums, but you made me think of that, :lol:.

My MSN is [email]i_am_vikingcore@gmail.com[/email]

[QUOTE]It is my business when it can affect me. Second hand smoking is still putting something in a person's lungs that person doesn't want, regardless of how much it is.

Seriously, smokers just chop away at their throats and lungs slowly, and they take other people down with them. Where are the advantages?[/QUOTE]

I didn't know you were that ultra fragile. The tiny little damage it does, heals, like a scratch. The bad elements in smoke are destroyed in your body, it's only when you repeatedly keep inhaling it that it will do damage.

Advantages? It's enjoyable for smokers, that's it. Like fastfood is enjoyable but doesn't do anyone much good.


[QUOTE]The amount of money wasted in healthcare for all the damage caused by cigarettes is several degrees of magnitude greater than the money spent on cigarettes.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps, but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't crash. They should've stopped it when it started, it's too late now, it's part of the economy, and you'll have to live with it.

And besides, do you want everyone to live to grow 90 years old? There are too many people anyway, some people need to die every once in a while, and hey, might as well be those stupid smokers. Gives the doctors something to do, too.

[QUOTE]You know this is an extremely bad counterexample to use :-)

Epidemiologically, AIDS is now being sustained through the transfer of the HIV virus from mother to child. Something that the child has no control over.[/QUOTE]

Okay, here's another example, why waste money on people who stuff their face all day and get heart problems and whatnot from being too damn fat. Like, let's say, 50% (made up number) of the country you live in?

Why not ban unhealthy food? Sure, it's enjoyable, but so is smoking. Not every smoker dies. Only the people that go overboard and/or are unlucky, just like the fat people.


[QUOTE]If people made a habit of sticking their faces right next to the pipe, sure.

I can't comprehend someone being foolish enough to willingly do something they know will harm them in the long run. It doesn't make sense to me when it's a problem that is so easily preventable.[/QUOTE]

I think a car produces juuust a bit more smoke than a person who smokes.

That's up to other people to decide.

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]Who be where with the what now?



Wasn't it you who posted in this thread, saying you were having a shower after 5 days?

What's your favourite album?[/QUOTE]
Your girlfriend...

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]Wasn't it you who posted in this thread, saying you were having a shower after 5 days?

What's your favourite album?[/QUOTE]
...

I've only heard their new self-titled album, but I love it. Lead sent me Plays Metallica by Four Cellos which I have yet to listen to.

[QUOTE]Again, an extremely slippery counterexample.

Automative transporation is a necessary evil in this modern world while cigarettes...What are they?[/QUOTE]

Not necessary, but it's there, like I said it's part of the economy, and you can't take it out anymore. It's just luxury, for recreational purposes.


[QUOTE]Oh, you mean like a concert venue? You could say, "Well, you choose to put yourself in that situation," but we shouldn't have to be plagued with harm when we're paying customers seeing a show.[/QUOTE]

Maybe not, but like you said, you don't have to go there. Smokers are people too.

See, I absolutely hate it when someone wears too much perfume, it gives me a headache. But I don't tell them to get the **** out of my sight, I deal with it, or I go stand somewhere else. If you hate it that much, don't go somewhere where there might be people, people who might smoke. Seriously, you're not gonna drop dead from lung cancer if you stand in smoke for a while.

[QUOTE]Yay for still more people who don't know **** about science![/QUOTE]

Quiet, nerd. It's not gonna kill you and you're not gonna notice it. So don't be such a bitch about it.

[QUOTE=Superpeer]so is wearing a fu[I]c[/I]king mullet in public.[/QUOTE]

Hey now, lets not say anything we can't take back. My mullet was f[SIZE="2"]uck[/SIZE]ing sweet.

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]My girlfriend posts on MX. She usually lurks though. She's posted in the Classic Rock thread a few times.[/QUOTE]

What's her username?

I am intrigued by this bit of info.

My girlfriend lurks here too, on a side note, mostly to spy on me.

[QUOTE]Hey now, lets not say anything we can't take back. My mullet was ****ing sweet.[/QUOTE]

Come on, man, they're atrocious!

hurray for smoking !!

Im working on opening a store for my Band's Merch on Cafepress.com :cool: I just made a Mousepad with my band's logo on it :PiMp:

[QUOTE=Superpeer]I didn't know you were that ultra fragile. The tiny little damage it does, heals, like a scratch. The bad elements in smoke are destroyed in your body, it's only when you repeatedly keep inhaling it that it will do damage.

Advantages? It's enjoyable for smokers, that's it. Like fastfood is enjoyable but doesn't do anyone much good.

[/quote]

So, here we go.

Over 4000 additives are present in each cigarette. Most of these are natural products, but a few, namely Hydrogen Cyanide, Carbon Monoxide and Ammonia are very dangerous, even in small doses (>0.01mg).

And sure, these bad elements are destroyed in the body, but in the same way that radioactive isotopes of Uranium, etc are destroyed in your body.

Also, smoking doesn't just cause lung cancer. It cause haemorrhages in many vital organs, including the eyes. It causes extreme migraines in many people, due to the toxins released throughout the body. Of course, prolonged exposure to second-hand smoke is damaging in a visible way, but try running a marathon after you've inhaled even a few minutes of second-hand smoke. The destruction that the free radicals have done to the pockets of air in your lungs will be apparent.

[quote]Perhaps, but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't crash. They should've stopped it when it started, it's too late now, it's part of the economy, and you'll have to live with it.
[/quote]

This is true, a large amount of revenue is generated by taxing the cigarette companies.

[quote]
And besides, do you want everyone to live to grow 90 years old? There are too many people anyway, some people need to die every once in a while, and hey, might as well be those stupid smokers. Gives the doctors something to do, too.
[/quote]

This is just silly.

[quote]
Okay, here's another example, why waste money on people who stuff their face all day and get heart problems and whatnot from being too damn fat. Like, let's say, 50% (made up number) of the country you live in?

Why not ban unhealthy food? Sure, it's enjoyable, but so is smoking. Not every smoker dies. Only the people that go overboard and/or are unlucky, just like the fat people.
[/quote]

Turning the argument around doesn't make yours any less ungrounded.

[quote]
I think a car produces juuust a bit more smoke than a person who smokes.

That's up to other people to decide.[/QUOTE]

Cars are quite clean compared to cigarette smoke. Especially modern cars. And Carbon Monoxide kills by asphyxiation, not poisoning. It's a peaceful death.

[QUOTE=Cain]What's her username?

I am intrigued by this bit of info.[/QUOTE]

She spys on me mostly, and I shan't reveal her username. :p

[QUOTE=Superpeer]Perhaps, but that doesn't mean that it wouldn't crash. They should've stopped it when it started, it's too late now, it's part of the economy, and you'll have to live with it.[/quote]

The economy wouldn't crash in America. You are overestimating the significance of tobacco on the overall economy of America and underestimating the significance of an unburdened healthcare system.

[QUOTE=Superpeer]And besides, do you want everyone to live to grow 90 years old? There are too many people anyway, some people need to die every once in a while, and hey, might as well be those stupid smokers.[/quote]

I don't want everyone to live to grow 90 years old, but I'd like to see more research and treatment done in the health problems listed below and many others.

[QUOTE=Superpeer]Gives the doctors something to do, too.[/quote]

This is a ludicrous example...Doctors and nurses are already overworked to begin with (all the patients suffering from smoking related problems are actually making that problem much worse). But if, somehow they weren't so busy, wouldn't you rather have them researching how to stop actually tragic disorders and ailments like genetic childhood disorders, cancer, neurological disabilities, etc and treating those who suffer from them?

[QUOTE=Superpeer]Okay, here's another example, why waste money on people who stuff their face all day and get heart problems and whatnot from being too damn fat. Like, let's say, 50% (made up number) of the country you live in?

Why not ban unhealthy food? Sure, it's enjoyable, but so is smoking. Not every smoker dies. Only the people that go overboard and/or are unlucky, just like the fat people.[/quote]

I would support a ban on unhealthy food since it has also a burdening effect on healthcare (albeit, a much smaller one compared to tobacco), but it's a lot easier to educate than prohibit.

[QUOTE=Superpeer]I think a car produces juuust a bit more smoke than a person who smokes.

That's up to other people to decide.[/QUOTE]

*shrug*

The healthcare system in America has never reported an significant issue with the automobile exhaust...Which is something impossible to statistically track and analyze anyway.

American automobiles have become very highly regulated by environmental protection agencies, so the pollution produced from them has decreased drastically in recent years.

I don't have a problem with smokers, but I don't get the point.

Smoking makes you weak. It's also one of the most disgusting socially acceptable and voluntary endeavors done by a majority of people.

In other news, I just recorded a cover of "Voodoo Chile (Slight Return)" for the cover comp. Everyone listen and tell me that I'm worse than Hendrix! :)

The interesting thing is that smoking has thankfully lost a lot of ground and popularity with the our generation :-)

I didn't know I was in health class.

I think people can smoke if they want to smoke, in general. Obviously there is grey area here and I don't want to get into that, but I feel smokers have the right to smoke as long as there is no direct conflict.

And bringing up how bad smoking is for you doesn't usually have an affect on smokers.

Hehe, that's true. I watched a few Cary Grant movies a night ago, and everyone smokes or is about to smoke in every scene. :p

where is the rock-'n-roll spirit? drinking, smoking, being an asshole,...
give it a try, you'll love it

[QUOTE=Eggo]The interesting thing is that smoking has thankfully lost a lot of ground and popularity with the our generation :-)[/QUOTE]
Obviously, because of all the exposure we receive of the cons.

Back in the '50s, they weren't as aware, so it was more common.

[QUOTE=Lunch]I didn't know I was in health class.
[/QUOTE]

USE PROTECTION. NO SEX IS SAFE SEX. BIRDS AND BEES. EELS AND CAVES.

[QUOTE=Lunch]I didn't know I was in health class.

I think people can smoke if they want to smoke, in general. Obviously there is grey area here and I don't want to get into that, but I feel smokers have the right to smoke as long as there is no direct conflict.[/QUOTE]

It might not be a pleasant reality but what smokers do not only affect everyone else in terms of health, but also affects the finances of every single person in that country.

I don't smoke. I'm listening to your cover right now.

I had no school today, but I just woke up. It's 6PM. I love wasting my day by sleeping.

[QUOTE=Eggo]It might not be a pleasant reality but what smokers do not only affect everyone else in terms of health, but also affects the finances of every single person in that country.[/QUOTE]

Well I'll sacrifice my finances so people can smoke if they want to.