[QUOTE=Moses]
However saying that they haven't progressed since Still Life is a little dumb isn't it? I mean GR is probably their most progressive album yet, not with a traditional Opeth sound but definately progressive.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Wilson really brought out the progressive side of Opeth on the Blackwater Park album, and even without him producing GR, the spirit was still there. It was almost more a progressive album than a Death metal record, which is probably why it has sparked so much controversy and criticism among the ranks.

Yeah, ok I didn't think about GR and Damnation when I said that. But Blackwater Park and Deliverance do nothing to progress their sound in my opinion, their songs have mostly the same structure throughout.

[QUOTE=Werny]Yeah, ok I didn't think about GR and Damnation when I said that. But Blackwater Park and Deliverance do nothing to progress their sound in my opinion, their songs have mostly the same structure throughout.[/QUOTE]


Blackwater Park and Damnation are my favorite Opeth albums.

I enjoy the softer Opeth more. Blackwater Park seemed to have the best balence between heavy and softer.

I really dislike GR...

How do you guys think Opeth will change it up for their next record? What do you think they'll do different?

I think there will be a heavier integration of keyboards and more traditional prog influences on the next album. There's no way to know until then though.

[QUOTE=MrJack]Its rap 24/7 out here. But being black, I love the look I get when people hear me listning to Opeth and other metal as the "GRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWL" emits from my car. :naughty:

I only got my other 2 friends to talk music with...and I don't get to see them often.[/QUOTE]
Whoa, a black guy that listens to Opeth?

*h5*

[QUOTE=MrJack]Its rap 24/7 out here. But being black, I love the look I get when people hear me listning to Opeth and other metal as the "GRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWL" emits from my car. :naughty:

I only got my other 2 friends to talk music with...and I don't get to see them often.[/QUOTE]

Haha that's awesome :lol:

You hear that complaint a lot from people who are into metal...even when the scene where they are is supposed to be strong.

[QUOTE=Werny]Yeah, ok I didn't think about GR and Damnation when I said that. But Blackwater Park and Deliverance do nothing to progress their sound in my opinion, their songs have mostly the same structure throughout.[/QUOTE]

Blackwater Park is a much more advanced album than Still Life, although they are tied for my favorites. Most of the biggest advances were in production and vocal harmony, but BWP also saw the use of odd time signatures (Lepar Affinity, Drapery Falls). Deliverance also pushed that even further, with probably their most progressive song to date (Deliverance).

HOLY CRAP THERE'S AN AGE LIMIT FOR THE OPETH CONCERT!!!!!

It's 12+. :p

I'M GOING TO SEE ****ING OPETH!!!! Provided I get tickets/convince folks.

Nice ;)

My show's on the 28th....I have until then to try to convince people to get off their lazy asses and come to what's going to be one of the best shows this year.

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]Blackwater Park is a much more advanced album than Still Life, although they are tied for my favorites. Most of the biggest advances were in production and vocal harmony, but BWP also saw the use of odd time signatures (Lepar Affinity, Drapery Falls). Deliverance also pushed that even further, with probably their most progressive song to date (Deliverance).[/QUOTE]
Exactly my perspective. Indeed, I think SL life and BWP are definately Opeth's best albums.

[QUOTE=Shattered_Future]HOLY CRAP THERE'S AN AGE LIMIT FOR THE OPETH CONCERT!!!!!

It's 12+. :p

I'M GOING TO SEE ****ING OPETH!!!! Provided I get tickets/convince folks.[/QUOTE]
Man, I wish I could see Opeth, but of course, being in NZ doesn't help.

Anyway, I am hopeless on black metal and I'll have to get around to listening to more of it. Would Eternal Soul Torture (bonus track on Morningrise) be considered black metal at all?

EDIT: YYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OPETH IS TOURING IN NZ IN APRIL. YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!
W00000000000000000TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

I cannot believe this. I just took a look on the tour section on their website. Wow... I have never been to a concert before, let alone an Opeth one. Bloody hell, I simply cannot believe my luck.

No, Opeth are not black metal. Check out some Darkthrone, Immortal, or early Emperor.

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]No, Opeth are not black metal. Check out some Darkthrone, Immortal, or early Emperor.[/QUOTE]
I know Opeth definitely isn't black metal. I consider them progressive death metal. But I wasn't sure about that one song. After all, it is a bonus track and I thought they might have been experimenting.

The only black metal I've listened to so far is Gorgoroth and bit of new Burzum.

Meanwhile, does anyone know if/when Lopez would be with Opeth on tour in April? I know he was having a few problems.

/listens to orchid for the first time


i LOVE this album!

[QUOTE=Whale and Wasp]/listens to orchid for the first time


i LOVE this album![/QUOTE]

Blackwater Park is the best.

Mmm, Blackwater Park is my fav Opeth album. I like Morningrise quite a lot as well. I feel Damnation is underrated - a lot of Opeth fans seem to disregard it. It had some pretty nice basswork and drumming.

[QUOTE=rhcp pman]Mmm, Blackwater Park is my fav Opeth album. I like Morningrise quite a lot as well. I feel Damnation is underrated - a lot of Opeth fans seem to disregard it. It had some pretty nice basswork and drumming.[/QUOTE]

Damnation is my second favorite. You can't beat the melodies in it....

I just got Blackwater Park. And its GRRRREAT! Granted, this is only the second album I've heard. <_<....yet.

Blackwater Park is really great but can't compare to Morningrise, MAYH, Deliverance or Still Life

[QUOTE=Man_Made_God]Damnation is my second favorite. You can't beat the melodies in it....[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I only mentioned the basswork and drumming; but in reality - everything is good about it. It's a great way to get people into Opeth, even if it isn't true Opeth.

[quote]Blackwater Park is really great but can't compare to Morningrise, MAYH, Deliverance or Still Life[/quote]When fans can't come to a consensus on what albums/songs are the best ones, it's usually a sign that the band is good. I love Opeth.

[QUOTE=rhcp pman]When fans can't come to a consensus on what albums/songs are the best ones, it's usually a sign that the band is good. I love Opeth.[/QUOTE]

Yeah. Really, all their albums are amazing, the only one that is just slightly, slightly lacking is Ghost Reveries- but still it undoubtedly has a couple of their finest songs and some other great ones also. Each album has it's own unique sound or qualities.

[QUOTE=ok lateralus]Yeah. Really, all their albums are amazing, the only one that is just slightly, slightly lacking is Ghost Reveries- but still it undoubtedly has a couple of their finest songs and some other great ones also. Each album has it's own unique sound or qualities.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Ghost Reveries is still great though. Ghost of Perdition is now one of my fav Opeth songs. But then again, I have a lot of fav Opeth songs :).

[QUOTE=rhcp pman]Yeah, I only mentioned the basswork and drumming; but in reality - everything is good about it. It's a great way to get people into Opeth, even if it isn't true Opeth.[/QUOTE]

How can you call any of their albums "true opeth"... They change their sound alot each album...

[QUOTE=Werny]Since when is Opeth more innovative than Tool? Opeth haven't done anything innovative, or had any progression whatsoever, since Still Life.[/QUOTE]


You really need to read some of Opeth's [U]Lyrics[/U], and listen to more then just Still Life.

[QUOTE=Man_Made_God]How can you call any of their albums "true opeth"... They change their sound alot each album...[/QUOTE]
Well, I don't consider any albums true Opeth, but Damnation is the stand out different Opeth album. If you recommend Damnation to a 'non heavy music person', chances are that they'll like it. However, if you recommend another Opeth album after that, they'll find it very different to Damnation in terms of heavyness. Some will go on and listen to more Opeth and like it. Some will turn the other way due to the heavyness. But no, I don't consider any of their albums "true Opeth".

I find Tool to be more progressive then Opeth indeed. Still Life is similar to Blackwater Park, but after that they took an un natural progression and made an album that was ment to be heavy, and one that was ment to be soft. GR is pretty progressive sounding, with more keyboards and stuff, but... well it's just not that good of an album. :p

As for Tool, theres a radical change from every album.

[QUOTE=Flynn]You really need to read some of Opeth's [U]Lyrics[/U], and listen to more then just Still Life.[/QUOTE]

You'd think he would have thought of that.

The lyrics are some of the best from a metal band I've read. Amon Amarth has really awsome lyrics also.....

Will Opeth go prog all the way? Or will we see a more balenced album next time around?

[QUOTE=Man_Made_God]You'd think he would have thought of that.

The lyrics are some of the best from a metal band I've read. Amon Amarth has really awsome lyrics also.....

Will Opeth go prog all the way? Or will we see a more balenced album next time around?[/QUOTE]


If it's heavy, has melodic twin leads, and classical acoustics...I'll be happy.:chug:



[QUOTE=Dunkelheit509]I find Tool to be more progressive then Opeth indeed. Still Life is similar to Blackwater Park, but after that they took an un natural progression and made an album that was ment to be heavy, and one that was ment to be soft. GR is pretty progressive sounding, with more keyboards and stuff, but... well it's just not that good of an album. :p

As for Tool, theres a radical change from every album.[/QUOTE]


I don't know, all Tool sounds the same to me. [B]O[/B]peth have progressed a helluva lot more then Tool IMO. [B]O[/B]peth have a wider range of musical ability as opposed to Tool making them more innovative.

[I]N.P. Down The Slopes Of Death ~ Amon Amarth[/I]

[QUOTE=Flynn]If it's heavy, has melodic twin leads, and classical acoustics...I'll be happy.:chug:






I don't know, all Tool sounds the same to me. [B]O[/B]peth have progressed a helluva lot more then Tool IMO. [B]O[/B]peth have a wider range of musical ability as opposed to Tool.

[I]N.P. Down The Slopes Of Death ~ Amon Amarth[/I][/QUOTE]
You're the second person I've seen say all Tool sounds the same. I know this is opinionated, but listen to Opiate, then listen to Lateralus. There is large difference there. People may only see Opeth has more progression, but they have double the albums Tool does. I bet you that Tool's new release, (April-May) will blow GR away, in terms of everything.