Overrated is a word that doesn't exist in my brain.. i try not to let other peoples opinion colour my musical tastes.. I do use other peoples opinions to decide what music I'm gonna spend time on listening to, but that's only because there's so much music out there that listening to it all to find out what is good and what isn't, isn't a feasable option

[QUOTE=Ghost Of Perdition]I agree. Really good, just slightly over rated for my liking. But still, they have a very interesting style, which i love in a band.

Think thats why i love Opeth so much, because they dare to do things differently.
Plenty of people are going to complain about how you cant go from a metal riff to a finger picked acoustic part, but Opeth do that because they want to.
And that fking rules! \m/[/QUOTE]

I agree with Knifeboy on the overrated thing, fans are obviously going to hype a band, It's not like the mass media is or anything (read: Coldplay's new album).

I live reasonably near Bradford, btw. :eek:

I find that I can't stop listening to the Deliverance album lately. I dunno what it is...especially the beginning of Master's Apprentices. :eek:

I don't think it's right to pick a favorite between Tool and Opeth, they're so different. It's like choosing between eggs and bacon, why not just have both?

Knifeboy - I agree, the term overrated is thrown around way too casually here.

Tool are a good band, I just don't see how you can say they sound like they put more effort into their music than Opeth. If anything, to me Tool sound like they do drugs and study magick [I]most[/I] of the time, and they happen to be in a very good band. The riffing is simplistic, the drumming is good but really, that doesn't contribute to the songwriting or originality, Maynard has a pretty good voice (he fails on vocal control, though), and the bass is very good in all aspects. Altogether they don't make me want to listen to them nearly as much as Opeth. I used to be a huge Tool fan, until I found bands I find far more interesting and innovative.

[QUOTE=toaster135]Tool are a good band, I just don't see how you can say they sound like they put more effort into their music than Opeth. If anything, to me Tool sound like they do drugs and study magick [I]most[/I] of the time, and they happen to be in a very good band. The riffing is simplistic, the drumming is good but really, that doesn't contribute to the songwriting or originality, Maynard has a pretty good voice (he fails on vocal control, though), and the bass is very good in all aspects. Altogether they don't make me want to listen to them nearly as much as Opeth. I used to be a huge Tool fan, until I found bands I find far more interesting and innovative.[/QUOTE]

Maynards vocal control is one of the best i've seen from many, many singers. You could say that Tool put more effort into their music in the (song) editing and perfecting aspect, which Opeth have done little of on most of their albums (Steven Wilson saved them on the album editing, although he only produced for a couple of weeks). Luckily Mikael just happens to be a genius, so they come out great anyway.

I find that Maynard hits some bum notes often. Just as one example, his short scream in Parabola at about 1:25 is far off-key. I also thought the production on Aenima was garbage. I'm not too sure how you'd know how much "song editing" the two bands use, but it feels to me like Opeth's material is more well-thought out. Don't get me wrong, I still like Tool but some of the pretense that goes along with their music bugs me. (I'm not saying you're pretentious.)

[QUOTE=Shadius] I live reasonably near Bradford, btw. :eek:[/QUOTE]

Cool, where bouts?

[QUOTE=Ghost Of Perdition]Cool, where bouts?[/QUOTE]

York. I'm at Uni elsewhere though.

And Toaster, I know Opeth do little editing of songs, Mikael has mentioned as much himself. He got to a point in the Delievernce/Damnation recording where he just wanted to shove the parts together that he'd written to get it over with. He also mentions that since MAYH there has been little or no rehearsing done before going into the studio, and the songs were all unfinished.

Tool spend a longer time in the studio, I can only assume they spend a longer time editing their songs, strcuture wise and studio wise. Or perhaps they spend all that time bathing in plum sause, who knows.

Anyway, you can't really compare the two bands, they both work in VERY different ways, and sound very different.

my favourite opeth album is morningrise FOR SURE (i haven't actually heard all of the others, but morningrise is their masterpiece)

all 5 songs are just amazing and are so well put together. black rose immortal has one of my favourite guitar riffs/parts ever (the riff played overtop the lyrics
"i have kept it
the amaranth symbol
hidden inside the golden shrine
until we rejoice in the meadow
of the end
when we both walk the shadows
it will set ablaze and vanish"

wow. amazing album. my second favourite would be still life probably

Tool are so much more overrated than Opeth its funny. But it shouldn't have an affect on your opinion on the bands anyways.

On another note, I'm going to see Opeth when they come here :D

Hopefully will be a great show.

[QUOTE=toaster135]the drumming is good but really, that doesn't contribute to the songwriting or originality[/QUOTE]

*sigh* What's it going to take for us drummers to get some respect from you a$sholes? :p

Danny Carey is alot more than good, and his playing greatly contributes to the songwriting and originality of the music. So they're not guitar based. Boohoo. They're still very creative, and definitely original. Many of the songs, especially on the last album, explore alot of interesting phrasings that go over the barline and are in odd time signatures, and they often feature advanced structures that definitely aren't featured in your run of the mill typical rock band.

It will be.

I need more of their tourdates dammit!

Opeth came to portland and I was a idiot and didn't go....


Please shooooot me.:wave:

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]*sigh* What's it going to take for us drummers to get some respect from you a$sholes? :p

Danny Carey is alot more than good, and his playing greatly contributes to the songwriting and originality of the music. So they're not guitar based. Boohoo. They're still very creative, and definitely original. Many of the songs, especially on the last album, explore alot of interesting phrasings that go over the barline and are in odd time signatures, and they often feature advanced structures that definitely aren't featured in your run of the mill typical rock band.[/QUOTE]

Not to start up this argument again, but..

Maybe to an advanced drummer he helps the music along. To me, his drumming isn't outwardly amazing enough to make the music any more interesting. I'm sure Danny Carey is a great drummer, but to me his drumlines don't sound really interesting or catchy unless I soley focus on them.

Is anyone else going to see Opeth on Feb 28th? I'm already really psyched for that show.

Even though I'm not a huge Tool fan, I would say the drumming is amazing and one of the best parts of the band.

Half the reason I like Tool more is because of the live show. But someone can say they dont like seeing stuff floating and falling and wierd lights and pictures. So whatever.

Saw the video for Grand....Co.....(Limited vocabulary) I totaly wanted that girl to sit on the toilet seat and have the snake enter her pooper :p

So what's everyones favourite Opeth album...??

Joke. :p

B E S T O F 2 0 0 5 - G H O S T R E V E R I E S

METAL HAMMER: Critics Poll – #1 Best Album of 2005.
TERRORIZER: Readers Poll – #1 Best Band, Best Album, Best Musician (Mikael), Best Vocalist (Mikael), Best Cover Art. #2 Best Live Act, Personality of the Year (Mikael).
TERRORIZER: Writers Poll – #5 Best Album.
ROCKSOUND: Readers Poll - #2 Best Album, #5 Best International Band
KERRANG!: Critics Poll – 12th Best Album.
TOTAL GUITAR: #36 - 50 Best Guitar Albums of 2005
CLASSIC ROCK: #5 Best 50 Albums Of 2005
METALEATER: #1 Best Metal album of 2005
METAL TEMPLE MAGAZINE - According to the staff: #2 BEST ALBUM and #1 Opeth + Nevermore BEST BAND (overall)
METALFAN, Hungary: #1 Metalfan top 2005
CMJ Loud rock: # 1 (Most played record of 2005)
BW&BK: Writers - #4
CLOSE-UP: Writers - #2
METAL MANIACS: #1 Metal Maniacs
DECIBEL: #2 Decibel
UNSTRAINED!: #1 Unrestrained!
WSOU: #7, top 89 records of the year - radiostation in Jersey

Opeth are really getting some recognition. :thumb:

Even if it was for Ghost Reveries... Still one of the best metal albums this year.

They deserve it all. What I don't understand is how they got all this and still only debut at #64 on the Billboard charts.

Kinda off topic ish, but, see what ya's think...

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[QUOTE=Deth]They deserve it all. What I don't understand is how they got all this and still only debut at #64 on the Billboard charts.[/QUOTE]
Isn't that because that includes like, every genre? They got first place in all the metal competitions and stuff like that. Those don't include rock,rap etc.

[QUOTE=Deth]They deserve it all. What I don't understand is how they got all this and still only debut at #64 on the Billboard charts.[/QUOTE]
Extreme prog-metal isn't exactly chart-topping material.

[QUOTE=Dunkelheit509]Isn't that because that includes like, every genre? They got first place in all the metal competitions and stuff like that. Those don't include rock,rap etc.[/QUOTE]

Opeth wern't well known at all before Backwater Park, their breakthrough record. Ghost Reveries has surpassed that by [b]far[/b] in terms of sales and exposure. I'd be happy with what they've got this year. They're not massively well known, but most people into Alternative music/Metal should have at least heard of them now. Finally getting recognition, and i'm sure this exposure will get them tons of new fans and sell all their old records too. I love seeing them get recognition from being so overlooked and almost unknown for a long time.

^ I agree with Jude too. Haha.

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]I find that I can't stop listening to the Deliverance album lately. I dunno what it is...especially the beginning of Master's Apprentices. :eek:[/QUOTE]
I love the start of Wreath. So Heavy! \m/

I've got a guitar store down the road from my house, and every Friday a buncha people hang out there and play and talk about music and stuff. Most of the people there have heard of Opeth, it's cool to have someone outside of MX to talk about 'em with.

NP: The Smashing Pumpkins - 1979 (Great song to chill to)

[QUOTE=MidnightRider]I've got a guitar store down the road from my house, and every Friday a buncha people hang out there and play and talk about music and stuff. Most of the people there have heard of Opeth, it's cool to have someone outside of MX to talk about 'em with.

NP: The Smashing Pumpkins - 1979 (Great song to chill to)[/QUOTE]


Lucky, where I live everybody listens to rap or country. And the selected few of us have actually heard of Opeth, Nevermore, Emperor, etc. And the others that listen to metal are the freshman that think CoF is the best band next to Slipknot.

[QUOTE=toaster135]Tool are a good band, I just don't see how you can say they sound like they put more effort into their music than Opeth. If anything, to me Tool sound like they do drugs and study magick most of the time, and they happen to be in a very good band. The riffing is simplistic, the drumming is good but really, that doesn't contribute to the songwriting or originality, Maynard has a pretty good voice (he fails on vocal control, though), and the bass is very good in all aspects. Altogether they don't make me want to listen to them nearly as much as Opeth. I used to be a huge Tool fan, until I found bands I find far more interesting and innovative.[/QUOTE]

Since when is Opeth more innovative than Tool? Opeth haven't done anything innovative, or had any progression whatsoever, since Still Life.

Tool, on the other hand, progress with every [i]song[/i], I feel.

They both have very similar writing styles though. Verse, Chorus, Verse, Chorus, then the rest of the song has no structure. And they both enjoy long instrumental sections (Hours of Wealth from Opeth, Ticks and Leeches from Tool). Yeah.

Its rap 24/7 out here. But being black, I love the look I get when people hear me listning to Opeth and other metal as the "GRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWL" emits from my car. :naughty:

I only got my other 2 friends to talk music with...and I don't get to see them often.

[QUOTE=toaster135]Tool are a good band, I just don't see how you can say they sound like they put more effort into their music than Opeth. If anything, to me Tool sound like they do drugs and study magick [I]most[/I] of the time, and they happen to be in a very good band. The riffing is simplistic, the drumming is good but really, that doesn't contribute to the songwriting or originality, Maynard has a pretty good voice (he fails on vocal control, though), and the bass is very good in all aspects. Altogether they don't make me want to listen to them nearly as much as Opeth. I used to be a huge Tool fan, until I found bands I find far more interesting and innovative.[/QUOTE]
How can you say Maynard fails in the vocal control department? Listen to Parabol and come back to me. I'm a vocalist and let me tell you it's quite the acheivement. I think sometimes his tone is annoying but other than that he's pretty good.

Tool are pretty innovative, original, and above all, interesting. I'd say they're a little more interesting than Opeth. Not as epic, but certainly interesting.

However saying that they haven't progressed since Still Life is a little dumb isn't it? I mean GR is probably their most progressive album yet, not with a traditional Opeth sound but definately progressive.

[QUOTE=faith+1]Half the reason I like Tool more is because of the live show. But someone can say they dont like seeing stuff floating and falling and wierd lights and pictures. So whatever.

Saw the video for Grand....Co.....(Limited vocabulary) I totaly wanted that girl to sit on the toilet seat and have the snake enter her pooper :p[/QUOTE]

You're really, really weird. :lol: