Do a warm down and wait at least an hour. If your going to keep going after that, you have to warm up all over again and be careful or else it could just get progressively worse. The thing is, when your training some things like screaming are trial and error in the beginning, so your going to have times when your throats a little screwed. Its best to just quit, but if you have to keep going, breathe some steam and drink pleanty of water to flush out the extra mucus thats coming up from the swelling. Throat Coat Tea is a good thing to drink too, but I think its disgusting so I only use it when I absolutely need it.

You wouldn't happen to know of any online resources that teach fry?

I teach it but I wont start teaching online stuff again for a couple of weeks. The best thing is Melissa Cross' DVD, and she also has a CD called Scream Extra, but as far as online sites or downloads, I don't know of anything else.

alright, so i took the techniques you described and worked with them, but when i do specifically what you described (correct breathing, with a downward push, and the whole pidgeon exercise to get the soft palate thing going) it just makes the notes i sing sound scratchier or whatever (its hard to describe, i guess james hetfield-ish), but i can't get a full sounding scream this way. I'm looking to try and get a scream more like The Used, Glassjaw, Blindside, etc. I can already do a more Lamb of God-ish type scream (although no one can scream like that guy), but i can't figure out how to get a "safe" scream that actually sounds like a scream. I'm sure that was pretty confusing, but if you have anymore advice i'd love to hear it.

The pigeon sound is just the basis; some people do use it for falsetto screams for the tone, but its just the first level. For the type of stuff you want to do, your going to want to vibrate the entire soft palate. The uvula is right in the middle of your soft palate, and thats whats moving now, so now you have to get the rest of the palate on both sides of it to vibrate as well. To do this, its going to be even more air, and your going to close your throat a little bit. Its safe though because your closing your pharynx by manipulating the soft palate. Its not something that can really be taught, its just something you have to play around with.

If you can already kind of make a basic form of the sound your going after, you can go ahead and do it that way and start trying to make sure that your feeling vibrations up from your top row of teeth up. Anything below that is too low and is kind of a warning sign that your doing it from your throat.

If you cant already make the sound though, its hard to explain in writing. The best thing you can do is try to get that song, even if its with bad technique at first, and then do like I said and just pay attention to your placement (as well as the breathing and support stuff that you've already got down). The louder or the more rasp you put into the tone, the more you push down.

Don't worry so much about safe. If your worried about damaging yourself, you will damage your voice. When your actually doing the scream, just let it come out. If its not technically correct, try it again, and this time try to get the placement right. The more you actually think about the technical aspects of screaming while your doing it, the more you'll hold back, and in return the more damage you'll end up with.

thanks a lot, you give great advice, i'm sure i'll be back in a few days with more questions

alright, so when actually performing the scream should my uvula be vibrating, or is that just exercise just so i know where to send the airflow? and how loud should this be compared to singing the note i'm trying to scream, slightly louder? super loud? the same volume?

also, the way i typically scream (at least before i found out about this forum) feels very easy for me, it doesn't take a lot of air or push, but there's absolutely no pitch (other than make it sound high and low, but i'm not singing any notes beneath the scream), and it doesn't seem to hurt, but i definitely can't maintain my singing voice after screaming this way for a while. based on that description would you say that that is definitely an incorrect way to scream?

i might try to put up a recording later if i can figure out where to host it

Host it at PutFile, its easier to just stream something then to have to download it and have it pop up in another player.

The uvula usually does vibrate no matter what while screaming (and sometimes just singing) as a byproduct to the air pressure. You should be able to make the scream at a level thats not much louder than your speaking voice, and you can get it as loud as you want. One of my coaches screams and breaks wine glasses with his voice, and hes screaming at around 115-120 decibles while doing so. Volume isn't dangerous, its only when you have to push too much to get that volume that you run into problems.

I'd have to hear a sample of your old way, but since you cant sing cleanly afterwards its not going to work. For really hardcore stuff, theres always going to be effects like that though, so you have to decide if the death metal type screaming is what you'd like to do, or if you'd rather be a singer who uses screams from time to time as an effect. Definitely check out the Zen of Screaming 1 and 2 (gotta get them both to understand) at some point. You can get them for $20 each I believe on getsigned.

i have the first zen of screaming, and i've learned a lot from it, but mostly about singing, not so much screaming, i've been thinking about picking up the second. and i definitely prefer to sing than to scream, but screaming is always going to be something i want to do in music. I'll try and get a sample up in the next few days, i'm not really sure how to better describe my original scream, someone once told me its very alexi laiho like (children of bodom), and that's def. not what i'm going for, so i definitely have some work to do

Zen 2 is the screaming technique one, although theres only a couple of actual exercises for it. It still explains everything and you'll figure it out just by hearing it. If you cant afford the money though, just keep experimenting and your going to eventually get it. Its as simple as coordinating everything (the breathing, push, breath pressure), then just letting loose and screaming a note, but people always hold back just a little to much and run into problems.

Hi,

I have a question about head voice. When I go into head voice i feel a lot of resonance around my nose area. The problem with this is it is giving me a very nasal sound. So I trying to lower my larynx more to give a deeper sound. But sometimes this just becomes deep and nasaly or i drop out of head voice sometimes.
Any input?

Thanks

[QUOTE=kdash;15912595]Hi,

I have a question about head voice. When I go into head voice i feel a lot of resonance around my nose area. The problem with this is it is giving me a very nasal sound. So I trying to lower my larynx more to give a deeper sound. But sometimes this just becomes deep and nasaly or i drop out of head voice sometimes.
Any input?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

I have that same problem man, some input regarding this would be appreciated.

Open your mouth wider and drop your jaw. The nasal resonance is fine, but to lessen it for a better sound you need to open your mouth more to allow the sound to come out elsewhere at the same time. Drop your jaw, and make kind of a smile with your top teeth showing to get a better cutting, less nasal sound. You just need to play around with it.

[QUOTE=Screamin_Demon_Auz;15917426]Open your mouth wider and drop your jaw. The nasal resonance is fine, but to lessen it for a better sound you need to open your mouth more to allow the sound to come out elsewhere at the same time. Drop your jaw, and make kind of a smile with your top teeth showing to get a better cutting, less nasal sound. You just need to play around with it.[/QUOTE]

Sounds good, I'll work on it. Thanks for your help.

[QUOTE=Screamin_Demon_Auz;15917426]Open your mouth wider and drop your jaw. The nasal resonance is fine, but to lessen it for a better sound you need to open your mouth more to allow the sound to come out elsewhere at the same time. Drop your jaw, and make kind of a smile with your top teeth showing to get a better cutting, less nasal sound. You just need to play around with it.[/QUOTE]

when I do that kind of smile thing it makes my tone more nasally and generally I can add some heat to my voice very easily while doing that.

Hey guys,

I have a question about adding rasp to my vocals. I have been trained in singing and am comfortable singing clean vocals but I would like to be able to add some slight rasp to my vocals now and then as my band plays alt rock Soundgarden kind of stuff. The main problem I have is that when I try to rasp a note i get way to much rasp when I just want a little bit.

The sound I would like is what Flynn from Cog gets at 3:30 into this performance: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eRIN-2C2iQ[/url]

Any help would be awesome and as a side note, I've looked into getting zen of screaming however I was a bit put off because it seems to deal with metal core/hardcore screaming when i'm not really into that stuff.:confused:

[QUOTE=kidthatplaysguitar91;15919041]when I do that kind of smile thing it makes my tone more nasally and generally I can add some heat to my voice very easily while doing that.[/QUOTE]

If you scrunch your nose up like most people do when they slide the upper lip up, then it will get more nasally, but if you just move the lip, it wont.

[QUOTE=xspoonmanx;15920428]Hey guys,

I have a question about adding rasp to my vocals. I have been trained in singing and am comfortable singing clean vocals but I would like to be able to add some slight rasp to my vocals now and then as my band plays alt rock Soundgarden kind of stuff. The main problem I have is that when I try to rasp a note i get way to much rasp when I just want a little bit.

The sound I would like is what Flynn from Cog gets at 3:30 into this performance: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eRIN-2C2iQ[/url]

Any help would be awesome and as a side note, I've looked into getting zen of screaming however I was a bit put off because it seems to deal with metal core/hardcore screaming when i'm not really into that stuff.:confused:[/QUOTE]


For just a little bit of rasp, check out Mark Baxter's 5 Secrets of Screaming download on GetSigned.com. It is exactly what your looking for.

[QUOTE=Screamin_Demon_Auz;15921331]For just a little bit of rasp, check out Mark Baxter's 5 Secrets of Screaming download on GetSigned.com. It is exactly what your looking for.[/QUOTE]

thanks man but do you have a direct link I couldn't find it on that website?? sorry bro.

[url]http://www.getsigned.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=5SECMP3[/url]

[QUOTE=Knifeboy;15883878]When you're practicing, and you've done something wrong, and is now feeling discomfort in the throat, what then?
Just warm down and call it a day? Or is it okay to start up again after the discomfort goes away?[/QUOTE]

when youre in that position just call it quits for a bit and eat a lot of fruit

[QUOTE=i am the robots;15923158]when youre in that position just call it quits for a bit and eat a lot of fruit[/QUOTE]


I generally drink some warm water and warm down, then have some more warm water and my voice is fine. Although by the time my voice would hurt, it would be after yelling, not singing/screaming/rasping how i normally would be and I would have been done for the day.
After show fun does that =P

To screamin demon auz (or anyone else who can help)

i've been working with all the techniques you gave me, but i really can't get anything going, i can still scream the way i know (which is definitely not a good way), but when i try the downward push and everything i can't get anything which i consider a scream. Do you have any other advice? Also, you mentioned getting my entire soft palate to vibrate how would i go about doing that? i can do the pidgeon thing, but not when i'm actually singing, should i be able to do that when singing?

This is just a start up technique for most people (some use it for screaming though). Whats really important is that you just scream as you do now, meaning that sound, but apply the good technique habits little by little. When you breathe, your stomach comes out, your floating ribs at the bottom come out, and you lock down like your using the rest room. This all habits in no more than a second; if you draw it out too long your just building up too much unnecessary air. Thats what you really want to focus on first; get that breathing and support coordination down. Then try the scream again. Pay attention to where you feel it. Does it feel like your uncomfortably pushing your throat? If so, do it again with the attention on making it feel like it coming out of your mouth. When you can get it to that level, you can start playing with the tone to make it feel like its coming from the palate (whether it is or not is a style issue), sinuses, or back of the head. The sound isnt really coming from the places, but the resonance is causing the vibrations,and when you feel the resonance you know your doing it right. Its just a slow process really of experimenting. Unless im working with someone in person or through internet lessons with files/video being sent, its really hard to explain but you'll get it if you use enough focus.

Anyone know any exercises for gaining control of the larynx?

My larynx is always very high, and the only way for me to lower it is by yawning. I had some exercises that just involved saying "fffff" while descending in pitch, but that never really helped me, even though I worked on it for a couple of months

[QUOTE=Knifeboy;15955475]Anyone know any exercises for gaining control of the larynx?

My larynx is always very high, and the only way for me to lower it is by yawning. I had some exercises that just involved saying "fffff" while descending in pitch, but that never really helped me, even though I worked on it for a couple of months[/QUOTE]

I used to be able to just have it down on low notes, then I realized what muscles were controlling that and applied it to higher singing. I've been singing like 1 year and a half with a year of singing lessons, also I did stuff with that brett manning singing success course, which gets rid of breaks in your voice and shows you how to use head voice, which is part of your full voice and isnt falsetto when your larynx goes up.

I think :p

[QUOTE=Knifeboy;15955475]Anyone know any exercises for gaining control of the larynx?

My larynx is always very high, and the only way for me to lower it is by yawning. I had some exercises that just involved saying "fffff" while descending in pitch, but that never really helped me, even though I worked on it for a couple of months[/QUOTE]

Do exercises with a yawning sensation. Do vowels like "OO" and "OH" and keep them very dark and hollow sounding. Also, there are non vocal exercises that you can do to fix that. One of them is called The Bullfrog, and its something Jaime Vendera came up with. Its extremely hard to describe, so its best to just get the Raise Your Voice 2 book. You can get the ebook version cheaper than the regular print one on getsigned.com. If you already have it, just look for the bullfrog section.

I'll check it out, thanks

[QUOTE=kidthatplaysguitar91;15958434]I used to be able to just have it down on low notes, then I realized what muscles were controlling that and applied it to higher singing. I've been singing like 1 year and a half with a year of singing lessons, also I did stuff with that brett manning singing success course, which gets rid of breaks in your voice and shows you how to use head voice, which is part of your full voice and isnt falsetto when your larynx goes up.

I think :p[/QUOTE]

Yeah, sounds about right, the problem is that my larynx stays high, even though I go as low as I can go!..
I guess I have a lot of tension around that area.. Hehe
it's a shame, my tone vastly improves when I manage to lower it

[QUOTE=Knifeboy;15959774]I'll check it out, thanks



Yeah, sounds about right, the problem is that my larynx stays high, even though I go as low as I can go!..
I guess I have a lot of tension around that area.. Hehe
it's a shame, my tone vastly improves when I manage to lower it[/QUOTE]

Well w/e you do to lower it, do that so it gets used to being low.

[QUOTE=Xero09;15817991]Hey guys, I was wondering on ways I can improve my vocals based from this example: [url]http://labeledloser.googlepages.com/Mookies.mp3[/url]

It's a small part from the song "Mookies Last Christmas" by Saosin (tenor vocals, high tenor original vocals) I was wondering if my vocal range was cut out to sing this song, but I hear that baritones/baritenors can hit some tenor notes so I'm wondering whether I'm a tenor or not. This sample is just me waking up, with the taste of coffee in the back of my throat. No warm-ups or anything.[/QUOTE]

Hey guys, I was wondering how I can improve my vocals from here.

[QUOTE=Xero09;15975203]Hey guys, I was wondering how I can improve my vocals from here.[/QUOTE]

Well punk vocals generally arent very technique filled. But the way you said words sounded like you were adam sandler doing the water boy voice. Your voice cracked on high notes too.
My advice would be to learn to sing without the nasality in your voice, then when you get better, apply it to the singing. Also punk singing is generally very high, so range is where you wanna focus a lot on.

alright, so i've got the whole breathing thing down, as far as screaming goes I can pretty much emulate all different kind of metal screams (or at least all the one's i would ever want to use), but i'm still looking for that more hardcore sound (Glassjaw, the used, blindside, deftones, etc), and I just can't figure out how to develop this in any way, shape, or form. any advice from anyone would be very, very appreciated. Are these two styles of screaming using the basic same principles or are they completely different? I'm finding it very hard to believe that they would involve the same techniques

[QUOTE=Xero09;15975203]Hey guys, I was wondering how I can improve my vocals from here.[/QUOTE]
Push with your gut, not your throat! It seems that you're really straining to get loud or high some times. Practice breathing, too, it seems that you don't have much control over your voice. Use your gut!

[url]http://media.putfile.com/Vocal-Test-67[/url]

I just recorded myself singing what, to me, was a quite challenging song and was wondering if someone could give me some honest critique (no sugar coating please :)). Also if i could get some tips on how to hit those notes that i was clearly struggling with it would be much appreciated.

Thanks :)

I have an original song, the vocals are kind of high. I sing it, and i can hit he notes fine, but I dont want the notes to sound like they're are the top of my range.
Would the answer to this just be, practice singing the song a whole step higher so when I play it regular its not a problem?

Need Feedback
 

on vocal demos I have up at

[url]http://www.bandmix.com/tom211/[/url]

Trying to get into a local band, covers mostly, not that experienced with rock vocals....

Any and all feedback on these samples would be greatly appreciated. I've gotten to where I can make these recordings pretty quickly so what I need is to know specific areas to improve. I'm still experimenting, trying to 'find a voice' that sells itself, even if just in the glamorous city of Dayton OH.

So Randy, Paula, and Simon (especially Simon).... please have your say....

Thanks in advance!


THANKS ANYWAY, but I already got some feedback on problems I hadn't noticed, from another source, and decided to redo the demos before I ask the experts here to listen. So they may have been taken off by this time.
OK I

I was wondering if anyone can give me some links to read up on on recording vocals for a noob? I started reading around some of the recording threads in the forum and they are talking about stuff I have no clue about. Everything that is included in the recording process would help and what I need to do to set it up and get a good sound out of it. I'm completely new at this, so it would help a lot.

Thanks.

[url]http://www.tweakheadz.com/how_to_record_vocals.htm[/url]

Read through all 3 parts, its covers about everything you could need

[QUOTE=Screamin_Demon_Auz;16044616][url]http://www.tweakheadz.com/how_to_record_vocals.htm[/url]

Read through all 3 parts, its covers about everything you could need[/QUOTE]

Covers about everything you need for recording ANYTHING.



Is it weird to wake up with an extra half an octave of a range? And keep the range?

Need Feedback on Demos
 

Please anyone at all that has time, listen and comment on my home-produced demos at

[url]http://www.bandmix.com/tom211/[/url]

I have been at this a while but I find it has been difficult to record a good demo. For one thing it's hard for me to hear flaws and be objective about my voice (if I was too critical of it I would probably have given up a long time ago) :-D I tend to compare myself to how I used to sound and be positive about my improvements. But anyway, I need some objective, no-holds-barred feedback beacuse I want to continue to improve. For example, are there any 'pitchy' parts, problems with timing, tones that could use more resonance, and in general are they intense/emotional enough (or as Simon would say are they too 'boring'). But really, I'm not trying to get signed I just want to be in a local cover band for fun. I know, I still need to learn to introduce more rasp, and am gradually trying to work that in. If anyone has time it really helps to have an example of where you heard something you didn't (or did) like. THANKS in advance. -Tom211